Diane Abbott – I'm surprised it has taken a year

glitchybump

racist or a valid point

Again – are you telling us that its not racist to mention something that is demonstrably true?

Answer please TJ

“Finnish” is not a race. Neither is “Pakistani”. Neither is “Bulgarian”
In the same way that “British” is not a race.

The nursing example is a cultural issue, not a race issue.

Depends which definition you use:

race2 ? ?[reys] Show IPA
noun
1.
a group of persons related by common descent or heredity.
2.
a population so related.
3.
Anthropology .
a.
any of the traditional divisions of humankind, the commonest being the caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negro, characterized by supposedly distinctive and universal physical characteristics: no longer in technical use.
b.
an arbitrary classification of modern humans, sometimes, especially formerly, based on any or a combination of various physical characteristics, as skin color, facial form, or eye shape, and now frequently based on such genetic markers as blood groups.
c.
a human population partially isolated reproductively from other populations, whose members share a greater degree of physical and genetic similarity with one another than with other humans.
4.
a group of tribes or peoples forming an ethnic stock: the Slavic race.
5.
any people united by common history, language, cultural traits, etc.: the Dutch race.

Good post, Elf.

I’ve met Ms Abbott a couple of times and was deeply unimpressed on each occasion. Self-regarding is probably the nicest thing you could say about her.

Swiss – it is exactly that point. Its just you don’t understand it.

For your information I have been involved in campaigning against racism and prejudice since the 70s

FUNNY THAT AS YOU ARE THE LEAST OPEN MINDED PERSON ON THE FORUM.. TJ you make me lol

Ooh; here’s another interesting one:

“Throughout the entirety of the proceedings, over the past three months, all we have heard are denials and denigration of Evra.

[Latin dnigrre, dnigrt-, to blacken, defame : d-, de- + niger, nigr-, black; see nekw-t- in Indo-European roots.]

This is from a mayn accusing Liverpool FC of being hypocritical, yet is himself using the word ‘denigrate’ in relation to a black player.

You couldn’t make it up….

TJ see how ugly that sounds? Just for once fella, pleas

TJ is one of those people that thinks only white people can be racist…

You coon’t make it up….

Might want to edit that…..

TJ is one of those people that thinks only white people can be racist…

Unfortunately, I believe this to be true.

Zulu-Eleven – Member

racist or a valid point

Again – are you telling us that its not racist to mention something that is demonstrably true?

Answer please TJ

do you actually understand what racism is?

TJ is one of those people that thinks only white people can be racist…

Unfortunately, I believe this to be true.

Not true – I have seen racism from all directions so know all races can be racist. I simply do not believe Abbot was in this instance

Might want to edit that…..

Oops! Haddunt thought of that association! 😳 😆

Just so’s folk don’t get the wrong end of the stick….

Coon’t = could not, couldn’t. It’s an Elfinism.

I’m not a racist, honest.

Just as I am putting on running shoes I have bizarre picture of TJ saying, “Some of my best friends are racist…” 😉

Sorry it that too much ironing there?

Zulu:

Again – are you telling us that its not racist to mention something that is demonstrably true?

Answer please TJ

TJ:

do you actually understand what racism is?

Yes I do thanks

Now can you answer the question please TJ – Three times I’ve asked now.

teamhurtmore – Member

Just as I am putting on running shoes I have bizarre picture of TJ saying, “Some of my best friends are racist…”

Tee hee – like it.

Yes I do thanks

well in that case the answer is obvious.

oh well done elf it is far worse to use the word denigrate [ i did not know the etimology tbh] than say negro 10 times to someones face whilst nipping them to calm the situation down…LFC is your version of Abbot and her son going to private school….you just want to defend LFC no matter what…perhaps we should assume it is aaproblem with Sarth London type coknee charrcters or sumthink 🙄

This is from a mayn accusing Liverpool FC of being hypocritical, yet is himself using the word ‘denigrate’ in relation to a black player.

You coon’t make it up.

waht you defending a man who said the n word to someone over and over again because he wears the shirt of the club you support ….sadlly elf we have no need to make this up ….you defend him if you want but reallly you would not be doing this had Keane done it to barnes would you …shameful from you and Suarez

from Zulu

TJ
you said I had said tories are racist. I did not.
TJ
The tory party clearly has racist elements in it
threads passim
HOWZAT!

The tory party has some pro Europeans in it

The tory party is pro European

your conclusion does not follow note the use of the word some – obvioulsy it suggest some are not

oh, Its obvious it is TJ? Clearly not to me, nor I would imagine a few pwople on here.

are you telling us that its not racist to mention something that is demonstrably true?

Simple question that I’m now asking you for the fourth time to give a simple straight answer to

Well I’ve learnt something useful from this thread – from Fred of all people (the etymology of “denigrate”)

So, could someone summarise for me? Which groups of racist apologists is winning?

And the answer you are going to get is if you understand what racism is the answer would be obvious to you 🙂

Which groups of racist apologists is winning?

Kenny Dalglish? No?

Which groups of racist apologists is winning?

What’s the collective noun for a groups of racist apologists?

Which groups of racist apologists is winning?

It’s unclear. It’s hardly black and white now is it?

Stoner – go to the back of the class NOW!

I’ve lost count of the times Jeremy has thrown “Racist” around on here, bangs on about the undercurrent of prejudice only he can detect.

And then along comes a brown person making derogatory generalisations on the basis of skin colour and “Oh no! Not racist!” The classic gymnastic dilemma of the Guardian reading moral-relativist.

wrecker – Member

You coon’t make it up….

Might want to edit that…..

I did a little lol at that…! 🙂

TJ should we really protect someones cultural right to be sexist?

I accept and appreciate that personal care is an emotive issue but Dianne Abbott’s comments about Finnish nurses were clearly racist and her white people tweet is too. She defines people by skin colour and country of origin and makes value judgements based on that . I’m sure that you will find culturally sensitive Bulgarians and Finns Just as you will find culturally insensitive M.P.s who will try and use race to promote or indeed define their career.

Her naive stupidity is no doubt a factor in her racism but they are not an alternative explanation for her comments. The same is true of the members of the EDL i have met, they are Racist in part because they are badly educated and stupid.

Stoner – Member
Which groups of racist apologists is winning?
It’s unclear. It’s hardly black and white now is it?

Very drole!!

How can a racist apologist be white. There can only be one winner!?!

Linking to above:

DA => racist comment => stupid, mis-understood, out of context ? =>racist?
Suarez => racist comment =>stupid, mis-understood, out of context? => racist?

Which is which?

mcboo – If I thought she was being racist I would say so. I don’t believe she is. thats all.

As for the accusation – find an example of me having

thrown “Racist” around on here

True to a very slight extent mcboo since TJ has often been quite justified in wailing but I can’t help but feel that some think that by pointing out that conflict in TJ’s position they somehow make their own racist views acceptable.

*waits disappointingly for Elfin to take the King Kenny, Racist apologist bait*

Come on Fred, you know you want too 😉

oh well done elf it is far worse to use the word denigrate [ i did not know the etimology tbh] than say negro 10 times to someones face whilst nipping them to calm the situation down…LFC is your version of Abbot and her son going to private school….you just want to defend LFC no matter what…perhaps we should assume it is aaproblem with Sarth London type coknee charrcters or sumthink

Oh it’s ten times now is it? Funny, cos the official report claimed Evra had said it was only seven, but there you go eh. 🙄 (Btw Suarez admitted to saying it only once)

And how exactly am I ‘defending’ Liverpool FC? I happen to agree with their stance, as do many others, including several black players. Having read loads of stuff about the case, including the official report, my own conclusion (supported by my albeit limited knowledge of Spanish and South American culture which I’ve gained from hanging around people from those places) is that Suarez said something that was out of order in the context of the situation, but which he did not himself understand was as bad as it is perceived to be in the country in which he lives and works. Liverpool FC and Suarez have accepted the punishment handed out.

Now I spose you’re going to call for the punishment of Evra for using a culturally insulting term (sudaca- a highly derogatory term especially in the context of the incident) first, before Suarez had said anything to him?

No, thought not…

crankboy – Member

TJ should we really protect someones cultural right to be sexist?

Oh oh oh – close that can of works quickly! In the case of the chap in question – yes undeniably IMO. Yo would give an old lady the right to refuse care from a man wouldn’t yo? it was demeaning to him to receive care from a woman

the one I have real issues with is the racist old people I look after that refuse care from black staff. thats difficult especially when they have demantia

And then along comes a brown person making derogatory generalisations on the basis of skin colour and “Oh no! Not racist!” The classic gymnastic dilemma of the Guardian reading moral-relativist.

the classic lazy slur…is TJ saying it is impossible for her to be racist becuase of her skin colour? Is anyone on this thread saying this ?

Apparently the only thing that can make your comments not racist is an LFC shirt 😉

Liverpool FC and Suarez have accepted the punishment handed out.

Could you define ‘accepted’ for me? Have you read the statement they issued? Seriously? That’s ‘accepted’ is it?

Its tediously predictable scouse persecution complex I’m afraid Fred. But in this casre they’re unquestioningly defending racism.

Whatever your opinions Fred, Dalglish is doing himself and Liverpool no favours whatsoever with this stance. Everyone else just sees it as defending racism. Mainly because that’s exactly what it is

Can we not just hand Diane Abbott an eight match ban and be done with this thread?

TJ – I’ve asked you repeatedly to clarify, on the basis of statements you’ve made on here, whether you are telling us that its not racist to mention something that is demonstrably true?

its a simple and reasonable question – its irrelevant whether its obvious, as I am asking your position on the issue

I am lost as to why you would be so incredibly evasive about answering this simple, reasonable question.

Have you ever aksed a Pakistani if they want to go for some Indian food ?

crankboy – Member
TJ should we really protect someones cultural right to be sexist?

TandemJeremy – Member
in the case of the chap in question – yes undeniably, it was demeaning to him to receive care from a woman

the one I have real issues with is the racist old people I look after that refuse care from black staff.

can you really not see the double standards in your position here TJ?

Dianne Abbott’s comments about Finnish nurses were clearly racist and her white people tweet is too. She defines people by skin colour and country of origin and makes value judgements based on that . I’m sure that you will find culturally sensitive Bulgarians and Finns Just as you will find culturally insensitive M.P.s who will try and use race to promote or indeed define their career.

Her naive stupidity is no doubt a factor in her racism but they are not an alternative explanation for her comments.

In true STW fashion, I haven’t read any of the previous pages 😉 but I agree with this entirely. You can’t look for meaning in Diane Abbott’s posts (racist or anti-racist) because she’s fantastically dim. Really thick. She has absolutely no idea what she’s going on about at any given minute. I remember her appearing on C4 news saying that the Austrian elections should have been cancelled and rerun because Jorg Haider’s party won a lot of seats.

She must be great at behind-the-scenes politicking but FMOB she hasn’t a scooby in public.

As for the accusation – find an example of me having

thrown “Racist” around on here

oh look

TandemJeremy – Member
If you cannot understand then its impossible for me to tell you

The whole tone and post is racist – thinly disguised

Phil – indeed its a very difficult situation to deal with and the right answers are hard to find. Thats why I mentioned it.

The old spinster and the right not to have a man bathing her seems right. the racist old git refusing to have a black nurse bathing him does not. what is the moral difference – hard to see.

I deal with it on a pragmatic case by case basis.