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  • Diane Abbott – I'm surprised it has taken a year
  • Zulu-Eleven
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    Next thing TJ and Elfin will be telling us that its racist to say there’s a problem with gun crime in the black community 😉

    Maybe “they” are all violent fantisists as well eh TJ?

    http://www.thenewblackmagazine.com/view.aspx?index=2493

    TandemJeremy
    Free Member

    Dear Diane has a history of naivety and this is just another example. Need to engage her brain better before making points that may be valid but just need to be expressed better.

    This

    Its all it is – a poorly expressed point that gave a political opponent ammunition.

    Torminalis – Member

    However, it is racist to generalise based on someones colour correct.

    If you think it isn’t then you really need to sit down and think about how much party allegiance blinds you to the truth.

    My allegiance to what party? I don’t have one 🙂

    its not racist its simply naive and ill expressed and taken out of context.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    TJ, if it had been said by a Conservative, you’d be up in arms, frothing with self-righteous indignation. Get over yourself, man!

    She made a negative comment, based solely on the colour of skin. That is racist, however you cut it, whatever the context. Was it malicious? Almost certainly not. Was it racist? Yes.

    Torminalis – Member

    However, it is racist to generalise based on someones colour

    [TJ’s reply was] (That is) correct.

    So, she was being racist then. Get it yet?

    wwaswas
    Full Member

    its not racist its simply naive and ill expressed and taken out of context.

    *wanders off to look for that gif of the bloke openign and closing his mouth whilst searching for the right words to express his disbelief*

    TandemJeremy
    Free Member

    Well funny watching all the politically right posters on here shouting racism.

    MrWoppit
    Free Member

    I do wish everyone would stop saying ‘the black community’ though. Which one?

    and then…

    Ethnic communities that show more public solidarity & unity than black people do much better

    Slightly dim MP in inconsistency shocka… 🙄

    aracer
    Free Member

    its not racist its simply naive and ill expressed and taken out of context.

    Stored for use next time somebody white gets accused of being racist in similar circumstances.

    aracer
    Free Member

    Well funny watching all one of the politically right left posters on here shouting not racism.

    loum
    Free Member

    It is some mistake to be “naive” about racist language whilst publicly commenting on a racial/ language issue such as

    “I do wish everyone would stop saying ‘the black community’ though. “

    and being a member of parliament.

    Zulu-Eleven
    Free Member

    Well funny watching all the politically right posters on here shouting racism.

    Why? how is racism a socialist/conservative divided issue?

    scruff
    Free Member

    I dont really care and think the Racism issue is getting way too much coverage cuz the reporters dont want to go and stand in the wind and get wet doing weather stories whilst waiting for the Falklands to kick off again ?

    binners
    Full Member

    Anyone who reads the Guardian can’t be racist. FACT!

    Same as they can’t be labeled as elitist hypocrites for choosing to send their children to expensive private schools

    wrecker
    Free Member

    Well funny watching all the politically right posters on here shouting racism.

    Are you suggesting that all non-left wing people are racist?
    You really need to have a hard word with yourself.

    This comment;

    ‘White people love playing ‘divide & rule’ We should not play their game”.

    Is not anywhere near a generalism. It’s targetted and specific in it’s intent.

    TandemJeremy
    Free Member

    Because the political right are usually attempting to defend one of their own from accusations of racism – seen it on here many times.

    Abbott is a bogey figure to the right hence this row. My view – she is just naive and a bit dim? I don’t really like her much at all.

    Its such an obvious piece of party political point scoring

    mcboo
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    TandemJeremy – Member
    Well funny watching all the politically right posters on here shouting racism.

    Come again? I guess I’m somewhere on the centre-right-liberal wing of humanity. That make me racially suspect? Hope my Caribean-Indian wife doesnt find out about this. The mind boggles.

    Torminalis
    Free Member

    Bah, can’t be arsed, I shall go back to my cup of tea.

    zokes
    Free Member

    Well funny watching all the politically right posters on here shouting racism.

    The smoke screen has commenced….

    TandemJeremy
    Free Member

    wrecker – Member

    “Well funny watching all the politically right posters on here shouting racism”.

    Are you suggesting that all non-left wing people are racist?
    You really need to have a hard word with yourself.

    Crossed posts

    where do I say that?

    Why it is funny is the political right on here are usually attempting to deny racism / defend their own from accusations. Wonderful double standards.

    kimbers
    Full Member

    was anyone offended by her comment though?

    seriously anyone here actually bothered what she said……?

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    Wonderful double standards.

    From you, yes.

    Junkyard
    Free Member

    She added: “White people love playing ‘divide & rule’. We should not play their game” followed by “#tacticasoldascolonialism” – a way Twitter users flag up keywords and topics.

    Conservative MP Nadhim Zahawi told BBC Radio 5live her comments were “intolerable”.

    “This is racism,” he said.

    “If this was a white member of Parliament saying that all black people want to do bad things to us he would have resigned within the hour or be sacked.

    “For a shadow minister to hold these sort of views is intolerable, it is wrong, she needs to go.”
    We would not talk about a white community or white leaders of this would we – who is it the EDL leader [ spits] or Peter Thatchell, Simon Cowell??
    I suppose she is claiming white peole have a history of racism, colonialism and divide and rule which is true but you could infer she is saying all white people do but she did not and I really doubt she meant that as she is not an idiot.

    Point scoring for political gain IMHOShe does have form I recall her , when challenged on sending her son to private school [ hypocrit beyond words and should have been hounded out of political life for this IMHO] she used the phrase Black mothers love their children — again inference being white ones dont – again that was not there either

    She strikes me as one of those people who lets one thing about herself define her you can see it in in many [ see i should say some there] groups . some gays, some vegans , some women etc … I dont like it personally

    She annoys me but it is not racism

    Ro5ey
    Free Member

    Have you just seen her on Sky News?

    Stop in the street by reporter and asked to explain her tweet, she literally just run away !!

    aracer
    Free Member

    Because the political right left are usually attempting to defend accuse one of their own from accusations the other side of racism – seen it on here many times.

    Zulu-Eleven
    Free Member

    What do we reckon guys?

    eleven, maybe twelve pages?

    TandemJeremy
    Free Member

    Why do you guys keep inventing things yo think I say?

    Where did I accuse the tories of racism?

    Where did I say mcboo is racially suspect?

    scaredypants
    Full Member

    she is just naive and a bit dim?

    And a bit racist and in the shadow cabinet 😉

    It IS an obvious piece of political point scoring – given that an MP has opened their mouth I’d have thought that was a given

    aracer
    Free Member

    Why it is funny is the political right left on here are usually attempting to deny accuse racism / defend their own from accusations. Wonderful double standards.

    binners
    Full Member

    I reckon it go round in circles for at least 14, Z-11

    Its becoming a Bit-Hit-A-Thon

    Stand back mere mortals, lest you be harmed by the weight and righteousness of the opinions expressed. I hope someones carving all this in stone 😉

    aracer
    Free Member

    What do we reckon guys?

    eleven, maybe twelve pages?

    I think this is already a TJ thread isn’t it?

    hora
    Free Member

    What should I call people of two races?

    I need to get this sorted for future incase I’m asked.

    Is it ok to say
    Mixed
    Half-cast
    IC(something)

    I don’t know?

    bravohotel8er
    Free Member

    If TJ was shipwrecked on an uninhabited desert island he’d form two political parties….

    then one of them would establish a splinter group.

    Torminalis
    Free Member

    I hope someones carving all this in stone

    😆

    cynic-al
    Free Member

    MrSmith
    Free Member

    isn’t there a hilarious audio recording of her trying to defend the importation of monkey bush meat? sure it was her? basically saying it was legitimate on religious grounds despite the trade being illegal.

    Jamie
    Free Member

    Why do you guys keep inventing things yo think I say?

    That’s a bit ‘street’ for you, Teej.

    hora
    Free Member

    If TJ was shipwrecked on an uninhabited desert island he’d form two political parties….

    then one of them would establish a splinter group.

    I’m sure he’d create Milky Joe..

    MrWoppit
    Free Member

    Where’s Effin, that’s what I want to know.

    bravohotel8er
    Free Member

    Mr Woppit – Member

    Where’s Effin, that’s what I want to know.

    He’s been blacklisted.

    v8ninety
    Full Member

    I dunno. It’s a thorny subject, one which the mods get twitchy on quickly. I predict closure and someone getting a ban after 4 or 5 pages.

    aracer
    Free Member

    Where did I accuse the tories of racism?

    Would you agree that “the political right” in this country are on the whole tories – or by using that term were you referring to people further to the right than that?

    In which case there’s an awful lot of innuendo up there in your postings.

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