Brexit 2020+

Drac : Thats the vid i linked to in my post on page 4/15hrs ago, utterly disgusting behaviour by rats that have crawled out of the sewers now that it is deemed acceptable to be overtly racist, there is far-far worse than that if you explore the many brexit tweets.

We have to realign the people’s future anger not at one another but at the people who preside over this.

That’s not how it works currently, the tories are very good at the divide and conquer tactic, they sold council houses cheaply to people to make them homeowners, making tory voters out of some of the working class as it was back then, they created the need for foodbanks…why is that division you might say? well, there’s a new class of people around to sh*t upon, everybody likes to do that to people on the ladder rung below them, and of course Brexit. Divide the country up, **** the consequences because we are still in power.

Election promise:

Mr Javid said: “No department will be cut next year. Every single department has had its budget for day to day spending increased at least in line with inflation.
“That’s what I mean by the end of austerity.”

Post election:

he wrote to cabinet ministers, asking them to draw up cuts of up to 5% of their spending plans.

They’ve been told to go through their budgets “line by line” and be ready to justify any spending plans and projects they want to keep.

In the note, Mr Javid wrote: “We have been elected with a clear fiscal mandate to keep control of day to day spending.

“This means there will need to be savings made across government to free up money to invest in our priorities.”

Draw your own conclusions.

Divide the country up, **** the consequences because we are still in power.

Exactamundo But now they’ve no one Left to blame and are on the hook to deliver something and they can’t blame remainers,the opposition or the eu.

They’ve no-one left to divide but their own mps 🙂

What is wrong with Poundshop?

Most of the goods are of inferior quality. Whether or not the VALUE is better or worse is more subjective.

Anyway, stop trying to derail the thread by being obtuse.

This thread is going down the crapper based on some of the vituperative posts above.
No-one who voted in the referendum knew how a leave majority would translate into policy, trade deals etc.
Each side lied about the other and there was an absence of demonstrable facts; many/most leavers (probably) voted based on instinct, re-inforced by their news source of choice.
In my view at the time, in event of a leave vote only two things could be said with any certainty:
i) the 27 would not be accommodating; why would they? The balance of power would sit with them and they would use it to their advantage
ii) any suggestion that undoing 47 years of integration would be straightforward was clearly
delusional
Since then the problems and downsides have become increasingly clear.
Some leave voters see Brexit as a vindication of their views and has empowered them to unmask their previously hidden xenophobic, racist views.
The process of johnson & co walking back ‘commitments’ has already started and will continue steadily.
Right wing press are shifting blame onto the EU – they won’t give us what we want, complain, whinge, stoke the divisions which are now clear; that will be lapped up by leavers – not all but a high %-age.
When things go wrong it’s always good to shift the blame – and not to ask pointed questions which would expose uncomfortable truths.
So johnson wants – and expects to get – a Canada style trade agreement with the EU; the EU will, rightly, extract significant concessions before giving any ground – on anything.
This tory gov completely own everything that will result from this and no-one should be allowed to forget that.
Vociferous/influential leave voters own this as much as the gov.
As for the rest of the leave voters, they will have years to reflect on the consequences of their vote.
As for the posters in Norwich council tower block, let’s hope there’s a CCTV system so the police can review and act. If a resident is responsible, council should evict them and refuse to re-house.

dannyh

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Anyway, I don’t know what the Brexies are so antsy about.

I mean, all that has to happen is for Brexit to be a roaring success. A success that creates jobs and wealth rather than destroying them. Piece of piss. And that would mean the likes of me shutting my gob forever about it.

Honestly this a million times. Boris Johnston doesn’t think brexit is going to be a success. The tory press that campaigned for it don’t think it’s going to be a success. If they did, they would be smugly waiting to be proved right. Instead they’re already moving onto the next stage, Blaming Johnny Foreigner.

And there’s a pretty good chance that this’ll work. But it’s insane.

Promoting hate speech on a cycling website ain’t gonna help nobodies daddy in Spain I’m afraid so people need to get a grip.

Over the next few decades we can take back control from the shortsighted and become a more outward looking country.
The poorly educated whooped us this time but that implies there is a serious problem with education, let’s fix that first. Onward and upward, the battle for a better UK has begun.

Each side lied about the other

Example where Remain lied about Leave, please….

Over the next few decades we can take back control from the shortsighted and become a more outward looking country.

Why wait?

Education takes time man.

As for the posters in Norwich council tower block, let’s hope there’s a CCTV system so the police can review and act. If a resident is responsible, council should evict them and refuse to re-house.

I noticed that one of them partially obscured a fire door sign. I would be looking at a charge along the lines of endangering lives. Nothing wrong with a bit of creativity in this case methinks.

Education takes time man.

Education is a waste of time if you aren’t receptive to it or capable of adapting it for critical thought, man.

Over the next few decades we can take back control from the shortsighted and become a more outward looking country.
The poorly educated whooped us this time but that implies there is a serious problem with education, let’s fix that first. Onward and upward, the battle for a better UK has begun.

You’re calling @cinnamon_girl short-sighted and/or poorly educated but don’t want to promote hate speech?

Over the next few decades we can take back control from the shortsighted and become a more outward looking country.

“Take back control”, I like the sound of that! It’s a shame we literally gave it away the day before the weekend.

A little perspective scotroutes please

If we gave it away Pondo then we can take it back, the journey is long.

Actually my last post was shit.

I’ve been drawn into being argumentative for the hell of it. Not the first time, won’t be the last.

I’m going to concentrate on the rugby for a bit.

If we gave it away Pondo then we can take it back, the journey is long.

Awesome! Long and totally unnecessary! I was really depressed about Brexit but now you’ve cheered me right up. 🙂

Promoting hate speech on a cycling website ain’t gonna help nobodies daddy in Spain I’m afraid so people need to get a grip.

I take offence to that.. Who’s promoting hate speech other than those that blindly want brexit?

Give me some facts.

One thing i find ironic is the promotion of the Union flag,presumably by Brexiteers. If ever there is a chance of the union flag being consigned to history it’s due to the actions of so called Unionists..

This thread is going down the crapper based on some of the vituperative posts above.

100% it’s total c$%p now, shut it down and reopen MG’s thread. This is beyond the pail regardless of the morons on the vide.

Dry your tears, snowflake.

Promoting hate speech on a cycling website ain’t gonna help nobodies daddy in Spain I’m afraid so people need to get a grip.

No one is promoting it.

Dry your tears, snowflake

Best you can do pondo, your contributions to this thread are so inappropriate for a family cycling forum !! If you want to call me a snowflake PM me we can meet up and you can do it to my face 👍

No one is promoting it.

How about promoting violence.

Ah! That’s different I’ll address that now.

Onward and upward, the battle for a better UK has begun.

This. The anger and frustration at Brexit is to be expected. If we let that anger consume us and then lash out wildly at anyone who doesn’t agree with us do we really think it’ll improve the state of the country?

Hard though it will be, the time now is for listening, understanding and actions to make things better, for everyone. Bite your tongue and rise above.

it’s vile to have voted for it in the first place, and legitimised the nasty, insular racist rhetoric that factions of the media and the English population now feel emboldened to spread.

Now hold on. I’m a die-hard remainer but not all leavers voted so for vile reasons, and to call them such is really not good. And you cannot justify being a dick to leavers just because they are leavers.

Get a grip, for goodness’ sake.

Best you can do pondo, your contributions to this thread are so inappropriate for a family cycling forum !! If you want to call me a snowflake PM me we can meet up and you can do it to my face 👍

Bless, I had no idea you were so sensitive – let me know which contributions are inappropriate and I’ll apologise. PM sent. 😉

I’m a die-hard remainer but not all leavers voted so for vile reasons, and to call them such is really not good. 

It’s true that they may not have voted for that, but I think it’s also true that they’ve legitimised those views.

It’s true that they may not have voted for that, but I think it’s also true that they’ve legitimised those views.

It only would have taken a quick check to realise they were supporting a cause that was dear to the likes of Farage et al.

If you are on the same side as Yaxley-Lennon’s lot, you know what you are backing.

This. The anger and frustration at Brexit is to be expected. If we let that anger consume us and then lash out wildly at anyone who doesn’t agree with us do we really think it’ll improve the state of the country?

I disagree. The animal rights lot used a dirty direct action campaign that turned the general public against animal testing.

Anti-racists could do with taking some inspiration from them.

Ok.

Any more aggressive posts, condoning violence or indeed claiming such things that all leavers knew they were promoting racism and I’ll hand out more bans.

Statistically i will be dead before we get back in..

A good rule of thumb is that whenever someone starts referring to a massive, disparate group of people as “them” to attack them they’re either a raging idiot or a mendacious shit stirrer.

It’s part of a nasty process of “othering”, perfected by horrible bastards of all shades.

A good way of making people with loads of shared history, experiences and values become suspicious and hateful of each other.

If you are on the same side as Yaxley-Lennon’s lot, you know what you are backing.

+1 collective guilt was good enough for the Germans, I don’t see why it’s not good enough for the brexiteers.

They need to collectively own it and speak out against all racists, just like they tend to ask Muslims to speak out against terror.

A good way of making people with loads of shared history, experiences and values become suspicious and hateful of each other.

What shared values? I have more in common with a well educated Iranian than I do with a lot of brexies.

Neither side is /was perfect, and when asked to choose one you have to be prepared to accept that it brings with it some stuff you don’t specifically  agree with.

However, when that baggage is being aligned with the BNP, when the result of your support is the emboldening of the kind of people in that video, or that post notices like those in Norwich – then I’m sorry but you ARE complicit.

You can’t claim it comes as a surprise, it was clear in the campaigning. You knew what was in the box and you opened it anyway.

It’s true that they may not have voted for that, but I think it’s also true that they’ve legitimised those views.

Yes but that may not have been their intention, and they may not have realised that would be the consequence.

It only would have taken a quick check to realise they were supporting a cause that was dear to the likes of Farage et al.

If you are on the same side as Yaxley-Lennon’s lot, you know what you are backing.

It’s much more complex than that.

A good rule of thumb is that whenever someone starts referring to a massive, disparate group of people as “them” to attack them they’re either a raging idiot or a mendacious shit stirrer.

Or just igorant – but yes. So by talking about leavers this and that, you are part of the problem even if you think you are on the right side of the issue (and I do).

In other words, don’t be a dick. It’s never justifiable.

Complicity and responsibility can get complicated though, why does it stop at a leave voter, what about those that have stood back and followed the system, what about those that created the system, what about those that blindly ignore the problems of society because they were just fine. We reap what we sow. Time for change.