An end to A&A / Friday Kylie please

Al – don’t patronise me. Its laughable – you accuse others of patronising you while you patronise me.

Don’t patronise me you idiot. Like you’d behave how you did on mleh in real life? You would not be alive.

😆

Ooh I’m sooo frightened!

Ye Gods. Sort yourself out mate.

Sorry TJ – I have a life and I’ve told you what I think and so have others. If you really need to prove your point/win/satisfy yourself that you were correct all along and once again drag a thread into the pits of eternal dullness, then that is a rather sad personality trait and unfortunately affects others on this site too.

Why don’t you take a step back, re-read what has been posted over the several threads on this matter and have a few moments of introspection – then remove your head from your arse and try and join in the spirit of things. Who knows, you might even secretly enjoy it.

robdob – Member

It very funny to be accused of a lack of sense of humour by those who have missed a joke – that was clearly there if you wnated to see it – as shown when I accepted the MillieTant picture as me.

Please TJ, for your own sake stop it. Everyones seen past it, the excuse isn’t working. You are embarrassing yourself now.

Look at thh timing of the posts.

I accepted the accolade of Millie Tant hours ago. Clearly accepting that the position I had adopted was well OTT and I know that I adopted it for comic purposes.

Perhpas accepting this you would see how you have completely misunderstood me – but that would mean you have to revise your opinion

No backtracking from me – look at the timescale.

Woody – you try doing that. You have missed the point by a mile

Look at the time of the post where I accepted the label “Millie Tant.”

tj best get on to the office old boy we have pics of miss pendalton on the home page.

I’ve got to hand it to the humourless old fart though, he has brightened up my boring Friday afternoon.

Shame this had to end up being about the OP.

Just to pipe up here, not much to add except:
– mountain biking is a male-biased sport (in terms of numbers of participants). Hence many forums about said sport tend to be male-biased. Unfortunately, as we all know, more than 3 men together generally results in mild to moderate sexism, whether intentional or not, whether talking about women directly or not.
– just what is the issue over ‘we must have more women on the forum’? It’s nice to have diversity (as in people, not the Idol band) on the forum, and it’s great that this isn’t just a sausage fest – generally the female members of the forum come out with more interesting and useful views anyway; equally they seem to spend less time on the forum (if we compare, say, TSY’s post volume with that of c_g, for 2 random examples), but it’s not like we should implement a positive discrimination process to ensure we have a fair and equitable distribution of genders on the forum. Unless the next proposal is that we advertiser the stw forum on AdWords or similar, with ‘no longer rampantly sexist!!!!’ on it, it’s a somewhat folorn hope. To be honest, the more overwhelming aspect of the forum can be the amount of knowledge sometimes imparted in belittling tones to those who don’t know quite so much.
– It’s A&A. It includes men and women; some women partake in it. Personally I don’t look at it because I’m not particularly fussed.

And I think that’s the thing people are struggling with. Most people either like it or don’t care. This vitriolic loathing is something quite bizarre…

I’m offended my men in skirts so I don’t open any Scottish threads can’t you just avoid anything that might offend your beautiful yet fragile self 😉

Clearly accepting that the position I had adopted was well OTT and I know that I adopted it for comic purposes.

That’s the most pathetic, after-the-fact, too late and completely unconvincing getout clause attempt, that I’ve ever come across.

Still agree with you, of course. 😆

Please, can someone ban me from here!

Elf – you obviously did read the bit when TJ referred to the people that didn’t agree with him as ‘insecure little boys’. He is normally quite articulate, but not on this thread.
He wants A&A abolished. Can’t see that he’s persuaded anyone this afternoon…

Random…… huh!

Ooh ooh, are you going to post a picture of that Panamanian high jumper (?)standing in her pants looking at herself in the mirror that you always used to post on the A&A thread ?

🙂

Could do actually. Thing is, I’d post it because I think she’s a stunningly beautiful woman with a body sculpted by athletic endeavour, which I thought was the point of A+A. Whilst I may have my own carnal desires etc, I don’t know the woman, so my appreciation of her is on a pretty shallow level. I admit I’ve probbly objectified her. But she consented to posing in such a way, so I don’t have much of an issue with posting her pic. I think the problems start when people start making crude and vulgar comments about someone. Think if it was your mate’s sister/daughter etc. Would you be quite so vulgar? Probbly not. What if it were your own sister/daughter? Would you want other men talking about her in such a degrading manner? It’s about respecting someone as a person.

I have no real issue with people looking at pictures of pretty men and women, it’s mostly quite harmless really. In this respect, I am at odds with some of TJ’s views.

I still think he deserves more respect though. I respect TJ more than most on here, simply because in my opinion he commands such respect by behaving in a more honourable and respectful manner himself.

So there. You can all get lost cos I don’t care any more. I’ve said me piece so that’s that, as far as I’m concerned. 🙂

Bulb end 😉

Can I just pick up on something Elfin’ said?

What I do find far disturbing is the comments.

There’s a difference, I believe, between comments which are clearly meant to be a joke, and genuine misogyny.

Face to face, this is usually easy to differentiate. You’re talking (usually) to people who know you, and there’s a lot of non-verbal communication going on.

In text, you lose a lot of that subtext. It’s very easy, therefore, to misinterpret comments and take people seriously when to their mind they’re being not just humorous but downright absurd.

For instance, if I made a “women, what are they doing out of the kitchen anyway” comment to anyone who knows me, be that male or female, it’d be safe ground becuase they know that my actual world view is so far removed from that as to render it not so much funny as out-and-out ludicrous. Now, take that out of context, the same comment on an Internet forum and I’m suddenly Gene Hunt personified.

Where I’m going with this is, I’d expect that the vast majority of “objectionable comments” expressed on here, with a couple of noteable exceptions, really aren’t meant to be taken seriously. They’re not supposed to be sexist, they’re supposed to be ridiculous.

Not that I’m arguing that this makes it ok exactly; that’s a whole other debate. Just that perhaps it’s worth taking into account before automatically reaching for the Outrageometer.

Is “A&A” correct grammar, though?

“Aesthetic” doesn’t mean “good looking”, does it?

More correctly I think it would be “Aesthetically pleasing and athletic”, or possibly just “AA”: Athletic Aesthetics. That’s better I think.

Everything has “aesthetic” qualities of some sort, even TJ’s hairy arse.

What’s Alcoholics Anonymous got to do with this?

as we all know, more than 3 men together generally results in mild to moderate sexism

I’m reasonably sure that this is not an exclusively male trait.

(Sexist)

Elf – you obviously did read the bit when TJ referred to the people that didn’t agree with him as ‘insecure little boys’.

He’s probbly right though ultimately, if you think about it. Maybe some folk want to have a think about that, and start being more honest with themselves. Let’s be honest now. I think sometimes it actually serves as a vehicle for some to try to prove their masculinity. I notice no-one has responded to my challenge of ‘TJ must be gay’…

He wants A&A abolished.

That’s his call, and one for the mods to consider. I’m not bothered one way or the other really. I can lust after pretty women perfectly well on my own, without some silly thread on an internet forum….

Shame this had to end up being about the OP.

It’s always about the OP when the OP is TJ.

Isn’t anyone else bored of these arguements? I am completely aware of the irony in me adding to this but I’d just like to say that the level of extrodinary patheticness being displayed by a significant proportion of the community is quite frankly, sad.

I notice no-one has responded to my challenge of ‘TJ must be gay’…

I think perhaps that’s a succinct example of the sort of comment I was talking about. I suspect the poster believed it was self-evidently ludicrous but evidently it isn’t. I read it to be a self-depreciating ‘playground’ insult, the implication being “I’m being childish when saying this.” It might as well have read, “TJ smells of poo and wee.”

I could be wrong, of course. That’s just how it read to me. I may have misinterpreted it (which is kinda the point I’m trying to make).

I wish someone would objectify me, once in a while…..

🙁

Mr Woppit – look at the timing of the post where I accept that I am Millie Tant. Noting after the fact about it.

Fat max – calling folk that wasa part of the deliberately totally OTT nature of the position I adopted. I am sorry if it offended you. It was intended to be so OTT as to be funny. Sort of Millie Tant ish I had a big laugh when you posted that as I thought you had seen that that was exactly my intent – to be Millie Tant.

Genuinely I am sorry that some have been offended by my rantings on here. Its a shame that some of you take yourselves so seriously that you failed to see that I was adopting a totally ridiculous over the top attitude to make the point and to allow some humour into it. I thought that was more obvious than it apparently was.

My actual views are much as Mrs Toast put it and a few others – that the A&A thread is childish and rather sad.

So guys – how about accepting that I used a totally OTT rant to make a point. Don’t take yourselves so seriously

So guys – how about accepting that I used a totally OTT rant to make a point. Don’t take yourselves so seriously

dear oh dear tj you sad git 😆

thats a new low mate.

Cougar – Member

Can I just pick up on something Elfin’ said?

What I do find far disturbing is the comments.

There’s a difference, I believe, between comments which are clearly meant to be a joke, and genuine misogyny.

Face to face, this is usually easy to differentiate. You’re talking (usually) to people who know you, and there’s a lot of non-verbal communication going on.

In text, you lose a lot of that subtext. It’s very easy, therefore, to misinterpret comments and take people seriously when to their mind they’re being not just humorous but downright absurd.

A very good point and one I forgot here.

to their mind they’re being not just humorous but downright absurd.

Is exactly what I was doing here but some folk totally missed

And with tat I am off to the pub.

Have a virtual pint on me chaps!

This can’t be real, can it? 😆

I knew that no matter how I played it I would n#be mocked, attacked and slagged off. By totally overplaying it like a pantomime villain at least there was some humnour there for me and for others who could see it – and clearly quite a few folk did see it from their answers and posts.

hmmmm, so you played it differently from last week, and the week before ?
(how exactly ? – you seemed just as strident then, to me)

FWIW, I’ve no real interest in the pics threads – only because I think they’ve been done to death now, and it’s true that we end up with (a minority of) “FHM” content at some point. That doesn’t offend me either, but I don’t actually want it on here.

I have NO moral objection to the staged shots of sports people at all; can’t say I see exploitation there (they’re not desperate and they’re prob well paid; if you count those paid milions to wear specific tennis outfits etc, then incredibly so). The “natural” ones, I’m not so sure. I do seem to remember that US polevaulter (Alsion thingy) was quite traumatised by her internet “fame” – and was well under 18 when the pics were taken at some high-schools event.

If I were Mark/Chipps I’d allow the threads but PROMISE a single warning then a ban to anyone posting inappropriate content (better still, post in their profile that they’ve been banned, and why). That way Teej can keep himself busy but actually achieve something, and “they” wouldn’t even have to police it – he would.

Maybe, everyone else was just being totally OTT for humour too… 😉

TandemJeremy
Its a shame that some of you take yourselves so seriously…

Hello pot, this is kettle, message over…

that the A&A thread is childish and rather sad.

It’s either childish or it’s objectifying women, can’t be both – children (by definition) are pre-puberty, and don’t think that way.

<Pedant hat off />

no offence taken TJ – i look forward to a Bike Chain ride/pint at some stage, where i will try and persuade you that A&A is a bit of harmless fun, and that Friday Rihanna is well worth a look too.
thanks for the entertainment all, its been a blast.

TSY 😉

Is Friday Rihanna on then?

Do we need to apply for planning permission or something?

no, but TJ can play the role of the angry planning development officer, when we start it without his permission 😉

TJ where have I patronised you?

Elfinsafety – Member

Ooh I’m sooo frightened!

Ye Gods. Sort yourself out mate.

I wasn’t meaning I’d do anything, my point was that YOU ARE A LYING HYPOCRITE and if you behaved the way you do online in real life, much like TJ, someone or other (definitely not me, I’d be long gone) would flatten you at some point.

Nice transparent attempt to turn it round to me as ever. I thought you might be OK after you quietly half-fesed up to having been a dick online, clearly not.

I say we go back to Strato’s friday motorbike thread. Nothing like a bunch of grown men drooling over some nice chrome and rubber.

TJ increasingly reminds me of the reason why this Harry Enfield sketch was so funny.

I take it you have no aspirations to be a comedian in real life – I think you’d find that having to tell your audience your being funny and ironic means you’d have a fairly short career.

on the STW homepage.
this sort of thing should be outlawed