American journalist death

Politically, no. Do you not remember the atmosphere after the attacks? Even the usually pacifistic Germans got involved. And like it or not it crippled AQ.

Politically? You mean, those who decided that another round of selling very expensive weapons and establisinh the USA as the World Leader, with the UK as it’s poodle, was a good idea? I seem to rememeber many people in this contry being completely opposed to any war in Afganistan. As for Al Quaeda; ahvent they morphed into ISIS? So, hardly ‘crippled’ then.

I’m not arguing that, that’s in the past.

Why bring up Saddam then? He was ‘in the past’ to.

I’m arguing whether here in the now, British soldiers are less morally bankrupt than our British ISIS volunteer.

From whose perspective are ‘we’ looking at this? Personally, I think there is little distinction between one set of willing combatents, and another. The rest is just propaganda and politics. British rtrops wera nd are gulty of some horrific attrocities and abuses. It’s no good saying ‘oh but we’re more righteous than them’, when ‘we’ helpedcreate the curent mess Iraq is in.

And if you really think that politically/ideologically we are as bad as ISIS then you really are beyond deluded.

Who is this ‘we’ you keep speaking of? Don’t include me in any support/collaboration/endorsement of what the UK government andmilitary are doing in Iraq nd Afghanistan. None of that is happening in ‘my name’. Invading and occupying foreign countires for spurious, bullshit reasons, then murdering innocent civilians, is totaly morally bankrupt. Comparing one lot of war mongerers with another, is like asking to chose who was nicer between Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe.

Electrolysis will stop that bush growing back.

You think?

(I don’t just mean the Bush family… it’s a pretty big network ❗ )

jivehoneyjive – Member
Don’t forget the greasy men in suits who profit from the weapons and their sweaty antics with children…
ISIS are just thorns on a bush; a bush that keeps growing back unless you get to the roots of the problem
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Seriously, are you completely obsessed with paedaphilia ( sorry if I spelt that wrong, but I normally google words I am not sure of the spelling but I am defiantly not googling that)

Do all your conversations at home or work revolve around or have to be linked to child abuse.

Not this shit again.

I’ll tell you what….. If you can go a whole week without claiming some people have “Links” to some other people, I will buy you a brand new tinfoil trilby.

Tom_W1987 I really would not give a shit if they were green aliens with pink spots the problem is they see themselves as soldiers of whoever / whatever but we piss around with a drone strike here and there.

If they want a war with the west give them a war with the west in the 21st century gloves off. Wipe them off the face for the earth.

I bet you do it once and the next along the line bunch of nutters would give things some serious though when they know everything and every one they were fighting for would be gone in a large mushroom shaped cloud as soon as they kick off.

If you knew what I know, you’d understand why I harp on about it with such dedication…

Who does government arms deals?

Politically? You mean, those who decided that another round of selling very expensive weapons and establisinh the USA as the World Leader, with the UK as it’s poodle, was a good idea? I seem to rememeber many people in this contry being completely opposed to any war in Afganistan. As for Al Quaeda; ahvent they morphed into ISIS? So, hardly ‘crippled’ then.

AQ has nothing to do with ISIS.

Why bring up Saddam then? He was ‘in the past’ to.

Because you argued that we are just as bad as ISIS because we went into Iraq.

From whose perspective are ‘we’ looking at this? Personally, I think there is little distinction between one set of willing combatents, and another. The rest is just propaganda and politics. British rtrops wera nd are gulty of some horrific attrocities and abuses. It’s no good saying ‘oh but we’re more righteous than them’, when ‘we’ helpedcreate the curent mess Iraq is in.

Correction, the Saudi’s helped create the mess they’re in. We stopped Saddam killing millions more people. In fact, we have blood on our hands because we didn’t topple the regime in ’91. Just think what the world would be like if it was run by the anti-interventionists hey? The Bosnians and Kosovans would be ****, as would the people of East Timor, Sierra Leonne and El Salvidor and meanwhile Saddam would still be gassing Kurds.

Who is this ‘we’ you keep speaking of? Don’t include me in any support/collaboration/endorsement of what the UK government andmilitary are doing in Iraq nd Afghanistan. None of that is happening in ‘my name’. Invading and occupying foreign countires for spurious, bullshit reasons, then murdering innocent civilians, is totaly morally bankrupt. Comparing one lot of war mongerers with another, is like asking to chose who was nicer between Harold Shipman and Peter Sutcliffe.

You’re paying taxes, it is happening in your name. I suggest you write to HMRC and tell them why you stopped paying them.

If you knew what I know, you’d understand why I harp on about it with such dedication…

He he, that’s funny 😆

You read things online. And then you make out you have some sort of unique knowledge that’s not available to anyone else.

Anyone can read things online.

Some people have more vigorous bullshit filters than others though.

Tom_W1987 – Member
*sigh* and nuke children, great.

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And whilst your sat sighing into your keyboard just remember they wouldn’t think twice about wiping your kids off tha face of the earth in the name of their fictitious religious deity ,If they got their hands on that kind of thing,

If you started playing at their level where rules don’t apply they’d pretty much take their ball home sulking

AQ has nothing to do with ISIS.

We stopped Saddam killing millions more people.

You say some remarkably daft things.

Anyone can read things online.

Some people have more vigorous bullshit filters than others though.

You’re funny 😆

You read things online, watch things on TV and read papers from news networks that are funded/ managed by the same people who have investments in Oil, Gas and the weapons industry.

Look into Genie Energy:

Genie previously announced a strategic advisory board whose members provide strategic direction and council. Its members include former Vice President Dick Cheney, Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild, and Rupert Murdoch.

AQ has nothing to do with ISIS.

More bollocks. Do your homework. I can’t be bothered with the rest of your ill-informed waffle.

You’re paying taxes, it is happening in your name. I suggest you write to HMRC and tell them why you stopped paying them.

Paying my taxes does not in any way sanction what a government I never voted for, using a millitary force in a way I abhor, not make their actions ‘in my name’. As I have no choice but to pay taxes. AndI haven’t voluntarly signed up to become part of that imperialist military machine. So no; it’s not happening in my name.

You say some remarkably daft things.

He does, doesn’t he? 🙄

You read things online, watch things on TV and read papers from news networks that are funded/ managed by the same people who have investments in Oil, Gas and the weapons industry.

You make a lot of assumptions about people you’ve never met.

You say some remarkably daft things.

Really? I’ve been tallying up the military deaths caused by Saddam and the deaths caused by the US/UK and ISIS and it’s definitely swinging in Saddam’s favor. I mean, he might have suddenly stopped gassing people and starting wars with his neighbors but Leopards don’t tend to change their spots.

And besides Ernie, if you’re such a big supporter of Palestinians and their right to be armed and fight the occupying Israelis, surely you should support the arming of the Kurds to fight Iraqi/ISIS occupation? I mean to be consistent and all…. 😆

Who did what in the past can not be changed now.
And if you believe we did that to who means we have no moral high ground to stop innocent people from being mass murdered, what do you suggest, we just leave them to it.

You make a lot of assumptions about people you’ve never met.

😆

You’re the funniest guy on here, you lucky scamp

Genie previously announced a strategic advisory board whose members provide strategic direction and council. Its members include former Vice President Dick Cheney, Michael Steinhardt, Jacob Rothschild, and Rupert Murdoch.

And ?

Conflict of interest perchance?

Conflict of interest perchance?

Because ?

Well, if you have a guy who is deeply rooted in the political system, a guy who runs a good chunk of the worlds banking, a guy with wide ranging investments and publishing interests and a guy who is balls deep in the global media game

could they perhaps influence global events in their favour?

could they perhaps influence global events in their favour?

Anything is possible.

Is it happening though ?

You “know things” that I don’t know.

Show me some of it ??

could they perhaps influence global events in their favour?

Trade interdependence is one of the biggest drivers of peace. What better way to promote peace than set up a meeting of prominent capitalists. 😈

Jive honey,
On the rolf thread there was a you tube screen shot of max Clifford with white hair and black eyebrows.
I was going to add a picture of alister darling with a tenuous link and a lame joke.

But thought better of it because to link someone to such crimes is an awful slur and greatly irresponsible and with people like yourself around it may grow legs and before you know it he has found himself the subject of the internet rumour mill.

If you have genuine evidence of impropriety, tell the appropriate authorities. Because there is sod all I can do.
Because the way you go about it it would not matter if it was true, because no one will take you seriously .

Trade is the biggest driver of peace.

That theory doesn’t work too well with the arms industry…

If you have genuine evidence of impropriety, tell the appropriate authorities. Because there is sod all I can do.

In a perfect world, that would be the solution, however, given the extent of people implicated, going to the very heart of government and even internationally, the normal avenues invariably end up with investigations shut down.

Hence, the only way to crack this cycle is to raise awareness, to increase public pressure on the authorities.

The tide is turning to some extent, but despite a string of celebrities facing justice, I struggle to recall a public case of a very high official such as a cabinet minister or a high ranking member of the house of lords facing charges; in fact, they are generally not even questioned… even when there is swathes of evidence.

Hence, the only way to crack this cycle is to raise awareness, to increase public pressure on the authorities.

By making unfounded accusations against people?

Witch Hunt!

WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Hence, the only way to crack this cycle is to raise awareness, to increase public pressure on the authorities.

If you actually believe that’s what you are doing.

You are more deluded than I thought 😐

A witch hunt generally involved pitchforks, dunking and fire… none of that is being suggested.

At the end of the day, Politicians are supposed to work for us, but as it stands, they hide behind laws they’ve crafted in their own interests and use power and influence to erode the justice and nobility which they preach.

There are plenty of good un’s but a number of VERY bad apples who need to be removed…

Errr the Mccarthy witch hunts didn’t involve pitch forks and fire last time I checked the history books?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lavender_Scare

Why do I picture you in a padded cell, wearing a straight jacket frantically typing out your posts with your big toe of one foot while gripping your phone with your other, only stopping momentarily to look left then right before returning to it.

Please tell me you do spend time doing normal stuff too because the constant conspiracy theories can not be good for your health.

Not even remotely similar…

This regards abuse of power in the darkest manner possible, within a network of a select few

Why do I picture you in a padded cell, wearing a straight jacket frantically typing out your posts with your big toe of one foot while gripping your phone with your other, only stopping momentarily to look left then right before returning to it.

Please tell me you do spend time doing normal stuff too because the constant conspiracy theories can not be good for your health.

Thanks for your concern dude, I’m all good in tha hood

You’re saying witch hunts are justified then? That wrongfully accusing or using unfounded rumors of someone being gay for your political agenda in the 1950’s isn’t comparable with doing the same in the the 21st century?

Paying my taxes does not in any way sanction what a government I never voted for, using a millitary force in a way I abhor, not make their actions ‘in my name’. As I have no choice but to pay taxes.

Yes you do, you can not pay them and go to prison if you’re self employed. 😆

P.S. I know a musician who used to do this back in the late ’70s.

You are Call me Dave and I claim my untold millions stashed in Tax Havens the world over:

I in no way condone witch hunts, but certainly advocate justice for victims of people who have thus far proved to be beyond the law…

proved to be beyond the law…

Probably because there’s no evidence against them. But that won’t be enough for you will it?

For though ours is a godless age, it is the very opposite of irreligious. The true believer is everywhere on the march, and both by converting and antagonizing he is shaping the world in his own image. And whether we are to line up with him or against him, it is well that we should know all we can concerning his nature and potentialities. – E. Hoffer

You’re witch hunting me about wanting a witch hunt that I don’t want…

But I still want justice for victims who have ample evidence, that has been continually cast aside over a huge period of time.

And with that, I bid you good night sir… 8)

Paying my taxes does not in any way sanction what a government I never voted for, using a millitary force in a way I abhor, not make their actions ‘in my name’. As I have no choice but to pay taxes. AndI haven’t voluntarly signed up to become part of that imperialist military machine. So no; it’s not happening in my name.

I do hope you never voted for Blair, because if you did it would make you a massive hypocrite…….

When do the schools go back? 🙄

this thread has taken a serious dive since yesterday

It’s all gone a bit ‘David Icke’ this thread. Any mention of lizards yet?