but they probably also argue that there is no way that only a pair of proton torpedoes could have destroyed the deathstar, the subsequent explosion defied their understanding of physics, where is the debris anyway and did you know there was a power outage on level 42. definitely an inside job.

What is it with the empire and their inability to build planet sized weapons that can’t be taken out by a small handful of assailants with light weaponry. Bizarre choices by the design team.

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The point is they were trying to clear the building out full stop, they were not working to a time or a plan. And unfortunately, many people were still in the building when they collapsed, including those trapped on the floors above where the aircraft went in. Office workers and firefighters were killed. They were picking bodies out of the rubble for months after. And you don’t need to be an expert to take the hint after the first tower collapsed that the second might not be too far behind it.

wobbliscott i think you are responding to a point about wtc7 not the towers. So your answer is miss focused, ” And you don’t need to be an expert to take the hint after the first two towers collapsed that the third burning creaking bulging one might not be too far behind them.”

Bbbbbut how can a flag flap when there is no wind? It’s a conspiracy I tell you!!

you know seismic events aren’t measured a linear scale right…

So where did the passengers end up?

Sorry to repeat but still no actual answer

ah that explains it then…. bugger the real questions keep going on the silly ones. If a feather falls slower than a brick then JFK was killed by Galileo

Seismic evidence implies controlled demolition on 9/11

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brilliant, something approaching a scientific paper. Did he submit it for peer review by any chance? thought not.

Interesting is that there is now an argument that the seismic shocks were to large to be caused by a plane impact and collapse, whereas previously it was being claimed that the seismic shocks were too low.

Anyway, Dr Rousseau believes in a round earth, so he’s obviously full of it.

this is worth a read, just so you can put your head in your hands and sigh

I can just imagine how it went down…

It was a friday afternoon, last meeting of the day at Secret Conspiracy HQ, everyone was there gathered around the table, pretty pleased with the massively complex job they’d managed to plan, including the hundreds, if not thousands of people they’d managed to keep quiet, the incredible complexity of being able to rig such massive buildings covertly with explosives, arrange for false radar signals and swapping out planes mid flight, and an ingeneous plan to deal with the passengers, not to mention the rubble cleanup issue having been solved by efforts of the cold fusion demolition team, BUT then Dave puts his had up, oh here we go, it’s always Dave, why does he have to be so awkward…

“Yes Dave, what’s up?”

“Well, I was just thinking, isn’t anyone going to notice the planes look different, I mean there’s so many people about some of them are bound to spot it, or film it, shouldn’t we paint some markings on them or soemthing so it’s not too suspicious?”

“Dave, Dave, Dave….come on, it’s Friday afternoon!”

“But, people will notice won’t they? and it’s such a small thing to deal with compared to all the other work we’ve done, shouldn’t we do it just to be sure?”

“Nah, it’ll be fine, who wants to knock off early and go for a quick beer before home?”

“Also, those bits we hung off the bottom, they’re kinda obvious don’t you think?”

“Dave! Do you want to be on that plane?”

“No sir, sorry sir, i’ll be good!”

Not mention that they imply pre explosions just before the planes hit. That is great timing.

What part of the explanations you were given do you disagree with and why? you could quote them along with your rebuttal for clarity. thanks

here, straight off the top of my head, is a list of things i think could effect seismic magnitude for the two different towers:

1) aircraft speed
2) Aircraft weight
3) impact angle (relative to the square base)
4) impact height (above ground)
5) impact location (how many “floors” did it hit, which are laterally stiff)
6) foundation depth and pilling stiffness and evenness
7) ground conditions (water content, clay content etc)
8) location and orientation of seismometer
9) Frequency spectrum of those waves due to propagation velocity and damping factor

right off the top of my head, that’s 9 very complex factors, any of which could make the recorded information differ. To rigorously go through those factors, calculate the possible (and probable) divergence would be several years work for a qualified geophysicist.

So to simply say “they were different that means x,y or z” is hugely erroneous.

“well apart from it was creaking… very weak..” and bulging and on fire.

Still, no one has come up with a plausible reason as to how it was deemed to be very imminent of collapse.

well apart from it was creaking… very weak..

Do you know what “The Fog of War” means?

In a complex, changing, and large situation such as that which occurred that morning at the WTC, it would have been impossible for anyone to know with any accuracy what was happening. Far too many unknowns and un-controlled situations. Then you add in the fact that a persons memory is very un-reliable. Plenty of studies have been done to show that multiple eye-witness accounts of a single event differ enormously.

This is what was known before the WTC7 collapse:

1) Both towers had fallen down
2) The WTC7 building was damaged and on fire
3) At that point no one was sitting at their desk in WTC7 saying “oh what a lovely morning, i must do some of that paperwork on my desk”. By that point, even a moron would have realised something big was happening, and attempted to leave the building if they could.

Firefighters are not idiots. If there si the potential to save people then sure, they’ll run into a burning and unstable building to try to do that (RE: grenfell tower!) but when it’s clear to all that there is nothing to be gained from ricking their lives, then they will evacuate. The fact that multiple fire teams chose, in the chaos, different times to do that is irrelevant (and normal). The fact that some time later the building fell down is also completely normal and nto unexpected (given that two other massive buildings had fallen down earlier that day!)

You aslo state “Creaking, very weak”. Well i f’ing bet if you were asked to go into a burning building that was creaking you’d :

1) be s**ing yourself (anyone can be a hero from behind their desk……)
and
2) Every slight creak, groan or noise would make the hairs on the back of your neck stand up, and make you VERY VERY nervous indeed.

After the building subsequently fell down, if asked about it i bet you’d say “yeah, it was creaking so we knew something was going to happen”

Still, no one has come up with a plausible reason as to why in the conspiracy theory the firemen in wtc7 would be warned to building was going to be blown up/down.