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  • crankboy
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    So no conclusions no evidence no facts ?

    crankboy
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    No cut and paste . no links . no photos of people stood next to other people. What is your take on the 9/11 conspiracy ?

    nealglover
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    Absolutely nothing JHJ has posted so far shows or proves any US involvement whatsoever.

    pondo
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    28 pages? It’s 42! #fakenews

    Pff, I could go 42 more without any interruption from the haterz, fakerz n denial loons.

    Now, where were we…

    You’re conveniently forgetting what the 28 pages revealed about Saudi Ambassador Bandar Bin Sultan and Abu Zubaydah, not to mention that Turki Bin Faisal, (mentioned above) became Saudi Ambassador to the US after 9/11…

    So, in addition to:

    But the most infamous guest was Osama bin Laden, who, for many years, made annual visits to the royal falconry camps in both Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates during a time when he was already wanted around the world for mass murder. Former Saudi Ambassador, Prince Turki bin Faisal hunted with bin Laden often

    If Turki and Mir were cutting deals with bin Laden, were they acting at the behest of their governments or on their own? Posner avoids any direct statement, but the book implies that they were doing official, if covert, business.

    Now, we already have the link between Bandar Bin Sultan (who was thanked personally by Bin Laden for helping secure CIA aid during Operation Cyclone) and Turki bin Faisal

    it was Turki bin Faisal’s sister (Bandar Bin Sultan’s wife) who was involved in money finding it’s way from the Riggs account set up by the UK paymaster general to the hijackers support network

    A bint no less!

    Haifa bint Faisal

    So, where does Abu Zubaydah fit into all of this?

    Let’s go back to this for a moment:

    Yet when Zubaydah was confronted by the false Saudis, writes Posner, “his reaction was not fear, but utter relief.” Happy to see them, he reeled off telephone numbers for a senior member of the royal family who would, said Zubaydah, “tell you what to do.” The man at the other end would be Prince Ahmed bin Salman bin Abdul Aziz, a Westernized nephew of King Fahd’s and a publisher better known as a racehorse owner. His horse War Emblem won the Kentucky Derby in 2002. To the amazement of the U.S., the numbers proved valid.

    So that’s one phone number that proved handy to him… but there’s more:

    The telephone book of Abu Zubaida was retrieved by coalition forces on March 28, 2002. One of the numbers in Zubaida’s book is unlisted and subscribed to by the ASPCOL Corporation in Aspen, Colorado. ASPCOL is the umbrella corporation that manages the affairs of the Colorado residence of Prince Bandar. The number is not listed in any phonebook and is not easily locatable. Due to the sensitivity of the matter, the FBI decided to hold their investigation in abeyance until they received guidance from FBI headquarters.

    I’ll let that sink in for a while…

    Premier Icon scaredypants
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    jhj, does your athletic endurance come anywhere near that displayed in your forum performances ? 😯

    nealglover
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    crankboy – Member
    So no conclusions no evidence no facts ?

    POSTED 1 WEEK AGO #
    crankboy – Member
    No cut and paste . no links . no photos of people stood next to other people. What is your take on the 9/11 conspiracy ?

    POSTED 1 WEEK AGO #
    nealglover – Member
    Absolutely nothing JHJ has posted so far shows or proves any US involvement whatsoever.

    Nothing changes in a week does it 🙄

    jhj, does your athletic endurance come anywhere near that displayed in your forum performances ?

    Well, I was a bike courier in London and rode a Rickshaw from Canterbury to Edinburgh for the hell of it…

    Absolutely nothing JHJ has posted so far shows or proves any US involvement whatsoever.

    From a man troll who finds fault in accounts of longstanding links between the Bush Family and Bandar bin Sultan, but avoids asking questions of Saudi Ambassadors…

    There’s a bonus for anyone who can pick out which of the people mentioned so far in this thread was mentor to Colin Powell (seen in last pic)

    pondo
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    Pff, I could go 42 more without any interruption from the haterz, fakerz n denial loons.

    And I bet there still wouldn’t be anything more substantial than the random, unfounded conjecture and speculation than you’ve posted already.

    nealglover
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    From a man who finds fault in accounts of longstanding links between the Bush Family and Bandar bin Sultan

    Sorry. I must have missed the bit where you showed that the faults I pointed out were wrong.

    Could you repost it please.

    Premier Icon nickc
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    displayed in your forum performances ?

    The poetry didn’t get him the attention he craves, so we’re back to this

    Premier Icon jonnyboi
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    I know recycling is good for the environment, but I think this is a step too far

    mikey3
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    Does he only come back to the thread when on day release and he can go to the library and use their computers?

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    What’s the difference between “Research” and “Googling”?

    Google does of course have it’s down sides, what with GCHQ, NSA, Data mining and entities like Ark Data Centres (you know, mentioned in this video)

    [video]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vx17v1RHEec&feature=youtu.be[/video]

    and Booz Allen Hamilton (yep, you guessed it, a Carlyle Group Subsidiary) and targeted advertising and propaganda which becomes ever more sophisticated as AI progresses…

    Anyhoo, back in the day, people didn’t have google and a lot of research would’ve involved books and old newspapers in libraries. Not forgetting that old gem of corresponding with and talking to people.

    Google offers access to many of the books and old newspapers, along with a wealth of other information that prior to the internet would’ve been nigh on impossible to compile. Of course, it’s not the be all and end all and often you have to buy books and correspond with and talk to people to get a deeper understanding.

    However, the reason I chose to revive this thread is due to a statement from a group who lost loved ones in 9/11, who’ve been battling for years to get the evidence they hold regarding Saudi involvement in 9/11 heard in court:

    STATEMENT OF SEPTEMBER 11TH ADVOCATES
    REGARDING
    KINGDOM OF SAUDI ARABIA’S MOTION TO DISMISS

    JANUARY 17, 2018

    On the eve of the 9/11 Families’ arrival to the Southern District of New York (ever mindful that the courtroom is located a scant ½ mile from Ground Zero), in order to answer the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia’s Motion to Dismiss, we are heartened and hopeful to proceed on our 17-year path of justice to hold the alleged murderers of our husbands accountable in a court of law.

    First and foremost, in anticipation of the Saudis hackneyed defense that the 9/11 Commission found no evidence implicating the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia in the 9/11 attacks, as former 9/11 Commission Family Steering Committee members who fought for and oversaw the 9/11 Commission’s progress, we can unequivocally state that the 9/11 Commission’s Final Report did NOT in any way exonerate the Saudis.

    In fact, regarding the alleged Saudi role in the 9/11 attacks, the 9/11 Commission wrote an entire supplemental monograph on Terrorist Funding entitled, 9/11 Commission Monograph on Terrorist Funding. https://9-11commission.gov/staff_…/911_TerrFin_Monograph.pdf

    Notably, the Saudis are mentioned nearly 450 times in this 155-page 9/11 Terrorist Funding report. Parenthetically, the UAE is only mentioned approximately 86 times; Pakistan is mentioned 25 times; Iraq is mentioned 3 times; and, the Republic of Iran, is not mentioned at all.

    In short, anyone who’s taken the time to read the 9/11 Commission Monograph on Terrorist Funding for its probative and evidentiary value, will find that there’s plenty of “there, there” regarding the alleged Saudi role in the 9/11 attacks.

    Nevertheless, should the information provided in the 9/11 Commission Monograph on Terrorist Fundingnot be sufficient evidence to support the allegation that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia played a role in the 9/11 attacks, the declassified 28 Pages of the Joint Inquiry of Congress, https://28pages.org/the-declassified-28-pages/ also provides a wealth of information regarding the alleged Saudi logistical and financial role in the 9/11 attacks. https://www.theatlantic.com/…/2016/07/28-pages-saudi/491552/

    And, if reading the 9/11 Commission’s Monograph on Terrorist Funding, and the 28 Pages of the Joint Inquiry of Congress aren’t enough evidence to support the allegation that the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia played a role in the 9/11 attacks, then, perhaps, you can simply listen to the words of the 9/11 Commissioners, themselves:

    “Contrary to the view advocated by the Kingdom, the 9/11 Commission did not exonerate Saudi Arabia of culpability for the events of September 11th, 2001 or the financing of al Qaeda in the years leading up to the September 11th attacks.” Former 9/11 Commissioner, John Lehman.

    “We certainly didn’t pursue the entire line of inquiry in regard to Saudi Arabia. As far as I’m concerned, we do not have the whole truth. As an example, the Saudi government and its lawyers repeatedly assert that the 9/11 Commission on which I served concluded that it and the royal family had nothing to do with 9/11. That is just untrue.” Former U.S. Senator and 9/11 Commissioner, Bob Kerrey.

    “We certainly did not exonerate the Saudis…That’s why we need to continue to get to the bottom of this.” Former Congressman Tim Roemer who served on the Congressional Joint Inquiry, the 9/11 Commission, and The 9/11 Commission Review Panel.

    “Clearly, the central moving figures in the 9/11 scandal were Saudi, and clearly that wasn’t a coincidence,” he said. “The fact that there is a particularly militant and extremely conservative form of Islam that is, in effect, the state religion of Saudi Arabia – well, there has always been tension between the United States and Saudi Arabia over that.” Former U.S. Senator and 9/11 Commissioner, Slade Gorton.

    “Among the areas warranting further investigation was the relationship between the hijackers of Saudi Arabian national origin and certain other Saudi individuals and entities—particularly, whether knowing assistance, aid or comfort was provided to the hijackers while they were in the United States, and, if so, whether any official representative or entity related to the government of Saudi Arabia either authorized or knew of the provision of any such assistance, aid or comfort.” Former 9/11 Commissioner Richard Ben-Veniste.

    Notably, former 9/11 Commission Chairman Tom Kean served as Director of Amerada Hess, an oil company that formed a joint venture with Delta Oil in 1998. Delta Oil had a financial backer by the name of Khalid bin Mafouz. http://archive.fortune.com/…/fortune_archive/2003/02/03/336… Mafouz was allegedly implicated in the financing of al Qaeda through the connections put forth in the infamous Golden Chain documents. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Golden_Chain

    Former 9/11 Chairman Lee Hamilton was appointed to the Board of BAE systems in 2004. https://www.businesswire.com/…/BAE-SYSTEMS-Appoints-Lee-Ham… BAE systems was implicated in the al-Yamamah arms deal in 2007 wherein BAE was accused of paying $1billion pound sterling to Prince Bandar bin Sultan. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/jun/07/bae1

    Former 9/11 Commissioner Jamie Gorelick is a partner and attorney at WilmerHale. WilmerHale has among its clients Prince Mohamed al Faisal al Saud—who was once a defendant in the 9/11 Families case against the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. http://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-2nd-circuit/1426990.html

    Former 9/11 Commissioner Fred Fielding, President Ronald Reagan’s White House Counsel, approved of a $1million payment to Nancy Reagan by Saudi King Fahd in the 1980’s. The payment was allegedly arranged by Saudi Ambassador to the United States Prince Bandar bin Sultan. https://www.washingtonpost.com/…/84f4c6f7-3609-47e6-bc8d-…/…

    Moreover, for a defendant who spent millions of dollars in hiring more than 20 high-powered and influential Washington D.C. lobbying firms http://fullmeasure.news/news/cover-story/saudi-lobbying to fight for years against the 9/11 anti-terrorism legislation, JASTA (Justice Against Sponsors of Terrorism Act), it is quite preposterous for that same defendant, Kingdom of Saudi Arabia, to now sustain that JASTA does not apply in this case. Even by Saudi Royal spending standards, http://observer.com/…/saudi-prince-mohammed-bin-salman-own…/ that’s an awful lot of money, time, and energy thrown around on legislation that is now deemed by them to be irrelevant and unfit.

    It has been nearly two decades since the murder of our husbands and 3,000 others on the morning of September 11th 2001. No American family should ever have to wait this long to receive justice for the murder of someone they loved on U.S. soil by terrorists.

    We very much look forward to the Honorable Judge George Daniels rejecting the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia’s Motion to Dismiss so that the 9/11 Families can finally receive our long-overdue and painstakingly-awaited day in court and the world can bear witness to the facts surrounding the murder of our loved ones.

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    September 11th Advocates

    Kristen Breitweiser
    Monica Gabrielle
    Mindy Kleinberg
    Lorie Van Auken

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