No TJ, your answer just shows up your own biases – I never said you weren’t rich, I even stated you are still middle class on that income, you are not poor, however;

You would need around 4,635.34£ in London to maintain the same standard of life that you can have with 2,700.00£ in Bolton (assuming you rent in both cities). This calculation uses our Cost of Living Plus Rent Index to compare cost of living. This assumes net earnings (after income tax). You can change the amount in this calculation. b

So you’d need around £80k a year to have the same standard of living as someone on around £43k a year in Bolton. That dude in Bolton can objectively afford to pay a lot more tax than someone on £80k in London, what may seem fair to people from Bolton may not seem fair to people from London. If local government has more power to set certain levels of taxation and public spending, we wouldn’t have such nasty polarization in this country and people would feel more connected to politics – it would be more local and more real.

You do realise that my taxation and devolution argument is much the same as the one you use to argue for an independent Scotland right?

Like having the purchasing power to live in a high cost of living area?

Or because they were born in Lodnon and had to earn that kind of money to have a family?

elefant^^^ – that’s her husband’s surname so your comment is disingenuous.
Why not focus on the (multi) millionaire champagne socialists – Corbyn and his closest acolytes.

You could be a billionaire in no time if you had a modest house.

billionaire in no time

In geological terms, maybe…

Swinson is having a shocker

I like Sturgeon, we need to move the capital to Edinburgh.

No Rayban – you still do not get it. £80 000 per year makes you rich

18k a year makes you rich on a global scale as well – considering the global median annual household income is $9,733. This is the logical conclusion of your argument.

As for this – how to increase inequalities and set folk against each other

I’m not saying London shouldn’t help support the rest of the country, there should be a baseline national tax agreed by everybody – and then there should be more leeway to adjust for local conditions.

Do you think we should repeal all of Scotlands devolved tax powers then? I didn’t take you for a loyalist TJ!

Swinson is having a shocker

😄 she looks desperate but me think her answers are to target Labour voters.

Oh here we go … PM BoJo … 😬

18k a year makes you rich on a global scale as well

Yes it does. Which also highlights the bizzare notion that earning 80K in the UK doesn’t make you rich hilarious. Are you so pampered and soft that you can’t see how good you would have it compared to everyone else?

Yes, Swinson had a shocker.
Sturgeon performed well – as she usually does.
Corbyn performed reasonably.
Johnson, so far, poor; usual bluster and disinclination to address direct questions.

**** me! Are you really that unaware? Even scraping by on circa 18k with a family in UK puts you ahead of most of the world in just about every metric. I’m on 52k a year in the UK and not a day goes by without me knowing just how good I have it compared to well over 99% of the worlds population. Saying that someone on 80k in London with access to clean drinking water, transport, entertainment, healthcare, housing, heating and electricity and everything else that comes with that isn’t that well off because they can’t afford to spend the same as someone on the top 0.001% is insane.

**** me! Are you really that unaware? Even scraping by on circa 18k with a family in UK puts you ahead of most of the world in just about every metric. I

Of course it does.

Try telling people on 18k they are rich and should pay more tax to send aid to the developing world – see how that works out for you.

Saying that someone on 80k in London with access to clean drinking water, transport, entertainment, healthcare, housing, heating and electricity and everything else that comes with that isn’t that well off because they can’t afford to spend the same as someone on the top 0.001% is insane.

Objectively though, that person in Bolton can afford to pay double the amount in terms of taxation yes? What is your ethical reason for not taxing that person more than someone who cannot pay as much in London?

Jambo – of course I am and I know it.

JP
Utter nonsense £80 000 a year even in london puts you in the top 5% of earners in the country – that makes you rich by any objective standard. You may not feel rich – but you are.

This is how things are so distorted in this country. the idea that you can be amongst the highers earners in the country and not be rich. Some of you guys are so divorced from reality and whats worse you have no understanding of how skewed your world view is!

Objectively though, that person in Bolton can afford to pay double the amount in terms of taxation yes? What is your ethical reason for not taxing that person more than someone who cannot pay as much in London?

More utter nonsesne Of ourse the person in london can pay as much tax. they earn the same amount!

I’ll bet my balls the proportion of people living in Bolton on 80k a year is pretty negligible.

Oh, I thought it was the housing density and under supply!

One room rental in a shared house in Zone 2 rental is £850 per month as I was told recently.

All the more reason to tax them more then.

🤔

Evidence that wages drove it?

What do you think people started moving there for in huge numbers in the first place?

Is anybody else watching the leaders QT?

What do you think people started moving there for in huge numbers in the first place?

They haven’t moved there in large numbers, they actually moved out – London has simply been recovering it’s lost population since because it’s a large center of employment. If house prices were simply about wages, then the prices would be in proportion to the increase in local wages, they aren’t – there are clear supply pressures on the prices.

The population density has not recovered to pre-1939, houses had either been destroyed by the war, slum clearances, became decrepit or due to HMO regulations cannot fit as many people in – since then not enough houses have been built to keep up with the rebound in population. 1939 – Londons population was 8,615,05, with 13,857 people per KM^2. In 2001 it was 7,172,036 with a population density of 11,536 per KM^2.

rayban it’s both.

Agreed.

£80K in London is peanut …

Rayban your viewpoints are right of centre as can clearly be seen by the utter pish you spout. You want high earners to pay less tax, you scream and shout “class war” at any attempt to redistibute weealth or to reduce the privedge the rich have, you think we are highly taxed and you think someone earning more than 95% of the country is not rich and you claim to be left of centre?

That’s all bollocks and you know that, I have not claimed that those earning more should pay less tax. You have completely failed to see any nuance in my argument and instead gone straight to assuming that what I am trying to do, is make a case for reducing redistributive practices – because the logical endpoint of your own argument is ridiculous.

If more devolved taxation is good for Scotland, it’s good for other parts of the UK as well. It could even help those areas be more competitive in comparison to London, if the locals chose to undercut London by reducing corporation tax. The point being, it would be for locals to decide, as long as each state had a nationally agreed taxation obligation (so that say, London was still a net contributor to state based wealth redistribution).

Don’t assume you know what my political beliefs are, they aren’t fixed and never will be.