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  • 2019 General Election
  • Del
    Full Member

    On corruption – there is no doubt at all that the majority of MPs are corrupt crooks

    Does that include the SNP representatives, just out of interest? Or the greens?

    lunge
    Full Member

    In my office there is a small group of young folk, 25 – 30 years old, working class, earn well, slightly right leaning but generally anti-brexit and on no way Tory supporters. They are not in any way politically engaged but with throw the odd word in. They are, I suspect, like a lot of people around the country who don’t engage on political threads on STW.

    There view?
    “Labour would win this election if they didn’t have that moron Corbyn in charge.”
    “yes, it’s a good job Abbot is not anywhere near the party now”
    “what, she is?!”
    “haha, no chance then, Bozza will walk it”

    And you know what, I think they’re right.

    AlexSimon
    Full Member

    But is Corbyn a moron? Where did they get the idea that he was?
    If Labour chose someone else and they had the same policies, would they be branded a moron too?

    perchypanther
    Free Member

    But is Corbyn a moron?

    Who’s this bloke I asked her
    Cooooorbyn , she replied
    Not THAT puff, I said dismayed
    Yes but he’s no puff she cried

    (He’s more of a man than you’ll ever be)

    binners
    Full Member

    I thought the under 30 age group was where the Corbyn fan club was supposed to be located?

    If he can’t get that age group to vote for him, then the result does seem like a foregone conclusion.

    A hard Brexit and 5 years of Boris it is then

    dogbone
    Full Member

    Most my friends are holding their noses and voting Labour (with some Green). We hate that Magic Grandad will count it was a vote for him, but we actually have some very good local Labour MPs.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Del

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    On corruption – there is no doubt at all that the majority of MPs are corrupt crooks

    Does that include the SNP representatives, just out of interest? Or the greens?

    There is certainly some dodgy doings amongst the SNP including the old revolving door. My guess would be on a par with the recent labour intake ie much less so than the tories. so the usual bungs of a few thousand here and there, the odd bit of fraudulent expenses. Not the massive bribes of tens of thousands or millions that old school labour and the tories were up to

    Greens I think are pretty clean.

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Holyrood is cleaner but still far from clean

    Del
    Full Member

    Probably fair

    rone
    Full Member

    But is Corbyn a moron? Where did they get the idea that he was?

    Mainly from being told he’s an idiot rather than looking at stuff themselves.

    kelvin
    Full Member

    Repeat after me… “Corbyn and his Straight Left team are not the problem… the perception people have of them is.

    ENGAGE REALITY FILTERS

    Look, Corbyn can not rely on Milne & Murray to run things and not expect to look like a puppet flapping around in the wind while the hard left millionaires pull his strings. There are lots of good brains in the Labour movement he could have used, rather than have a communist resign his party to come over and help. The policies in the manifesto should be being welcomed across society, they are only “left wing” in the way that the leading European countries are left wing… but people have to trust the leader to vote for the party… and people do not trust Corbyn or his core team.

    Anyway… vote Labour… the alternative is a metaphorical kick in the balls for all of us.

    binners
    Full Member

    In the same way, going on about workers rights, increased trade union negotiating power and workers representation on boards is probably fine in most peoples minds. In theory. Then they take one look at Len McClusky and realise that what that actually means is handing loads of power over to the likes of him. And they know exactly what he’ll do with it

    A man who recently gave an interview praising Derek Hatton and the Militant Tendency and going all misty-eyed over the days of flying pickets and power cuts while he’d call everyone out on strike at the drop of a hat

    kelvin
    Full Member

    And McClusky called for George Galloway to be welcomed back to Labour.

    nickc
    Full Member

    going all misty-eyed over the days of flying pickets and power cuts while he’d call everyone out on strike at the drop of a hat

    And let’s not forget McDonald this morning on Today failing/refusing to give a straight answer about whether they’d try to legislate to allow secondary picketing. Suggesting only that Labour would defend people’s right to withdraw their labour.

    johnx2
    Free Member

    ^^^
    I mean yeah, obviously, to most of the above. Moron? His academic record speaks for itself*… Whatever, I’m sticking a labour poster in the window and hoping the manifesto gets a bit of traction. I’m in a two-way lab tory marginal with an excellent labour MP who has a several hundred majority. Vote Labour or get Boris should be sufficiently compelling to get even the most fastidious/self-indulgent to put their cross where it might actually do something.

    *dropped out of north london poly. Not that that necessarily means he’s thick but other data-points are available.

    dazh
    Full Member

    Suggesting only that Labour would defend people’s right to withdraw their labour.

    And quite right too. Striking, or rather the threat of it, is the most powerful tool of the worker to prevent being ****** over by their employers. The reason we have zero hours contracts, pay rates at less than the living wage, and other things working people suffer from is that employers have had carte blanche to do what they like with almost nothing to stop them.

    mefty
    Free Member

    All expenses on line and not paid without receipt.

    As already happens.

    Mefty – are you sure they are no longer allowed to claim for buying a house on expenses?

    yes

    cromolyolly
    Free Member

    efty – are you sure they are no longer allowed to claim for buying a house on expenses?

    They can still claim interest though, can’t they? So they could take an interest only mortgage, pay nothing, sell property and pocket the gain in price, without having paid a penny in the interim/

    mefty
    Free Member

    Nope

    cromolyolly
    Free Member

    Nope

    Thank god they closed that loophole. About time. Might explain why Osborne etc flounced out in huff.

    mefty
    Free Member

    They did it about 10 years ago

    raybanwomble
    Free Member

    if the working people of Bolton choose brexit over a manifesto that will change their lives then quite frankly they deserve everything they get, and I’ll go and stand next to Rayban in the ‘working class people are idiots’ camp.

    DazH, I don’t think it’s just the working class people – it’s just some of them are infected with the same type of thinking as the some of the Tory middle classes. We are Britain, we are exceptional, the people fought two world wars so they know better than everyone else, we deserve better than everyone else, **** experts, swots and education. Etc etc etc

    The working classes are just the most obvious case because they are the ones that suffer the most from our own deranged national psyche.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    fadda
    Full Member

    I think the conclusion there is simply that Mike needs to read the memos a bit more carefully

    tjagain
    Full Member

    Mefty – have they now removed the ability to claim for small items without a receipt?

    Its still a disgusting fiddle and the amounts some MPs claim are clearly inflated. same as a number are fiddling the “rental only” bit

    v8ninety
    Full Member

    Did anyone hear the bloke that earns 80k+ get angry about being labelled a member of the top 5% of earners to the point that he actually accused Labour of lying last night in BBCQT? Blatantly got wealth conflated with earnings it seems, and reminded me of a TJ vs the world thread on here a few years ago.

    Sad thing was, he got applause for accusing Labour of being liars, and there will be a lot of people who will just remember that. It’s how fake news is born…

    binners
    Full Member

    He’s an IT consultant apparently.

    What he actually said that earning over 80 grand a year put him “nowhere near even being in the top 50% of earners”

    He got cheered because, obviously, Everyone earns over 80 grand in Bolton 🙄

    dannyh
    Free Member

    It is a hell of a trick, though, isn’t it?

    I mean, De Pfeffel is actually managing to convince people not to vote for someone who will tax people with more money than they could ever spend and instead make them poorer and have to work harder and longer….TO THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WITH MORE MONEY THAN THEY COULD EVER SPEND.

    And he is a philandering, lying, turd who would do or say anything so long as it furthers his ambition or gets his leg over.

    Why doesn’t Corbyn just go for the **** jugular? Why doesn’t he shout De Pfeffel down about the suppressed Russian interference report? Why doesn’t he bring up the Arcuri thing over and over again?

    You have to play dirty.

    benv
    Free Member

    Did anyone hear the bloke that earns 80k+ get angry about being labelled a member of the top 5% of earners to the point that he actually accused Labour of lying last night in BBCQT?

    Seen it on the BBC website earlier. What kind of roaster thinks £80k a year is less than what half the UK population makes?

    He’ll be fainting once he finds out that’ll put him well into the top 1% earners of the world and therefore he is part of the problem. Prick.

    hels
    Free Member

    I will never vote labour. They won’t even admit to a problem with anti semitism, let alone deal with it. That issue seems to have been lost in all this.

    raybanwomble
    Free Member

    It is a hell of a trick, though, isn’t it?

    I mean, De Pfeffel is actually managing to convince people not to vote for someone who will tax people with more money than they could ever spend and instead make them poorer and have to work harder and longer….TO THE BENEFIT OF THOSE WITH MORE MONEY THAN THEY COULD EVER SPEND.

    And he is a philandering, lying, turd who would do or say anything so long as it furthers his ambition or gets his leg over.

    Why doesn’t Corbyn just go for the **** jugular? Why doesn’t he shout De Pfeffel down about the suppressed Russian interference report? Why doesn’t he bring up the Arcuri thing over and over again?

    You have to play dirty.

    Isn’t part of the problem that we don’t tax based on regional living costs? 80k in Bolton is a pretty much a **** tonne of money – 80k in London is still middle class but that can all quite easily disappear even if you are living in a shit box flat. So taxation creates a huge North/South divide in terms of what is and isn’t culturally acceptable.

    Maybe the answer is more devolution and more regional taxation and spending power?

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    You have to play dirty.

    Kinder, gentler politics. Innit.

    benv
    Free Member

    Isn’t part of the problem that we don’t tax based on regional living costs?

    I’m confused. Do you want to tax more or less the higher the living costs of the region?

    binners
    Full Member

    Grandads getting a right grilling on QT.

    Nice to get an update on the situation in Bolivia though

    raybanwomble
    Free Member

    I’m confused. Do you want to tax more or less the higher the living costs of the region?

    communities should be able to decide what level of spending and taxation is acceptable to them. It seems to me that some areas could tax and spend more if it weren’t for high cost living areas voting against it. That turns people against each other, I do not see the issue of taxing people based on their purchasing power.

    It should be about what is right for the local conditions, if people in one area can afford to pay more tax then they can choose to do so?

    benv
    Free Member

    Still confused.

    I do not see the issue of taxing people based on their purchasing power.

    Like having the purchasing power to live in a high cost of living area?

    5thElefant
    Free Member

    I mean, De Pfeffel is actually managing to convince people not to vote for someone who will tax people with more money than they could ever spend and instead make them poorer and have to work harder and longer….

    De Pfeffel? Is that the Flemish princess standing in Middlesbrough for Labour?

    No, hang on, that’s Lauren De Thibault De Boesinghe.

    anagallis_arvensis
    Full Member

    Grandads getting a right grilling on QT.

    I thought he was actually very good, although I didnt see it all.

    CaptainFlashheart
    Free Member

    Nice to get an update on the situation in Bolivia though

    It’s the talk of every doorstep in Sunderland, didn’t you know?

    olddog
    Full Member

    It wasn’t Corbyn who brought up Bolivia

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