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  • 2019 General Election
  • Premier Icon dazh
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    Possibly premature but I doubt it. Will the grim weather keep northern voters at home? Or stop tory pensioners voting for the brexit party?

    Think I’ll go for another hung parliament with labour slightly ahead of the tories. Then we’ll get to see just how see just how tory Jo Swinson really is.

    5thElefant
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    Hopefully we’ll see the Labour Party decimated and not a threat for a generation.

    kiksy
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    SNP +10 seats or so at the expense of Torys
    LD + a few at expense of Torys depending on the state of Brexit at time of GE
    Lab depends on how solid their message is. Needs to be clear.
    Torys depends on state of Brexit

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Hopefully we’ll see the Labour Party decimated and not a threat for a generation.

    I laugh every time I hear the words ‘for a generation’ used in relation to politics. You know as well as I do that voters are far more fickle than that. They will vote on the usual stuff, as they always do, and it’ll come down to a tiny few waverers in marginal seats. The wild card in this one will be the brexit party.

    Premier Icon bikebouy
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    The wild card in this one will be the brexit party.

    They are wild, I’ll agree.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Will the grim weather keep northern voters at home?

    Only those originally from the south but I’ve not seen the forecast.

    He’ll find an excuse not to run one he hasn’t held a single promise yet.

    kiksy
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    The wild card in this one will be the brexit party.

    Yes. Depending on the state of Brexit, Farage could end up stoking the fires against Labour if it’s not done, or against everyone if it’s done but in a way that doesn’t please him. I think the only way it would please him is no deal.

    Premier Icon bikebouy
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    I think the only way it would please him is no deal.

    Or No Brexit, he gets to keep his EU MP salary for a little while longer… 🤦‍♂️

    Premier Icon mikeyp
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    Labour have consistently been polling around 20% and they have a historically unpopular leader (amongst the population). They stand a fair chanced of being slaughtered. If you are a labour voter but want brexit what are you going to do?

    5thElefant
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    I laugh every time I hear the words ‘for a generation’ used in relation to politics. You know as well as I do that voters are far more fickle than that.

    Maybe. I’d settle for labour becoming a mainstream party again and I’ll go back to not voting like I did throughout the new labour years.

    shermer75
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    The Tories are polling quite well aren’t they? They’ve lurched further to the right to soak up the Brexit party voter base.

    Premier Icon dazh
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    The Tories are polling quite well aren’t they?

    Depends which polls you look at.

    5thElefant

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    Hopefully we’ll see the Labour Party decimated and not a threat for a generation.

    Do you really believe that or are you just trolling?

    I’ll assume the former and question why you think it’s a good idea for any party (Conservative or otherwise) to be able to enact all of its policies unopposed by any serious checks and balances. Or are you dim enough to be wishing for a dictatorship?

    JP

    wordnumb
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    #greenlandslider

    5thElefant
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    Do you really believe that or are you just trolling?

    Of course. Who wants an antisemitc socialist party in power? Didn’t go well last time that happened.

    I’ll assume the former and question why you think it’s a good idea for any party (Conservative or otherwise) to be able to enact all of its policies unopposed by any serious checks and balances. Or are you dim enough to be wishing for a dictatorship?

    I’d be happy with either the liberals or the conservatives in power or as the opposition. Or even a return of new labour. The destruction of the current incarnation of the Labour Party is a likely and welcome possibility.

    Fingers crossed.

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Didn’t go well last time that happened.

    Are you seriously comparing the UK labour party to the nazis? Really?

    5thElefant
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    Are you seriously comparing the UK labour party to the nazis? Really?

    More Oswald Mosley. Glad we didn’t find out how that would have worked out.

    Confiscation of private property and imprisonment of political opponents don’t sound reassuring.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Of course. Who wants an antisemitc socialist party in power? Didn’t go well last time that happened.

    🤦🏻‍♂️

    Premier Icon dissonance
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    Who wants an antisemitc socialist party in power? Didn’t go well last time that happened.

    When was that? and are you therefore fine with a right wing antisemitic party?

    I’d be happy with either the liberals or the conservatives in power or as the opposition. Or even a return of new labour.

    So centre right and hard right and maybe allowing another centre tending towards right person.
    Good choices there.

    Premier Icon Drac
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    More Oswald Mosley. Glad we didn’t find out how that would have worked out.

    Quick back-pedal.

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Probably wise to rename this thread, “2019/2020 General Election” now, rather than later.

    Anyway, TV voxpops predictably full of people saying, “We don’t trust these politicians, yet don’t want the bother of getting the chance to do anything about them in the voting booth”. 🤦🏻‍♂️

    Premier Icon jam bo
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    Two elections?

    Premier Icon kelvin
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    Not what I meant, but very likely.

    Premier Icon dazh
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    Glad we didn’t find out how that would have worked out.

    But you said ‘the last time it happened’ so you weren’t talking about Moseley were you because you know he was never in power? Perhaps it would just be best to admit that comparing labour to the nazis is a ridiculously stupid thing to say?

    Probably wise to rename this thread

    Indeed, a couple of hours ago it looked a dead cert. Looking unlikely now isn’t it, and I was quite looking forward to a distraction from the xmas party season.

    shermer75
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    Depends which polls you look at.

    There’s not many that show the Tories with a substantial lead

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-49798197

    ridiculously stupid thing to say?

    It used to be ninfan’s go-to-let’s-wind-up-the-lefties shtick. It is ridiculously stupid so it’s no great surprise that 5th Elefant is now trotting it out.

    Premier Icon scotroutes
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    There’s not many that show the Tories with a substantial lead

    Realistically, have the Brexit Party any chance of winning Westminster seats? I just assumed some sort of voting pact with the Tories, suggesting that they’d end up with 45-50% of the popular vote in total, though not sure how that would break down into seats.

    TurnerGuy
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    It is ridiculously stupid so it’s no great surprise that 5th Elefant is now trotting it out.

    it’s not really, look at The Third Wave experiment :

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Third_Wave_(experiment)

    and compare to how certain sections of both the labour party and society in general are behaving, it is not inconcievable that a skilled operator could head the party off down that road.

    We are just lucky that Corbyn is not that skilled operator, although McDonnell might be – see his youtube videos celebrating direct action and spitting in your managers tea being a victory for the people.

    Premier Icon dissonance
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    Realistically, have the Brexit Party any chance of winning Westminster seats

    Difficult to tell how things are going to turn out. Depends on if they manage to get the “tories failed to deliver its only us you can trust” line working.
    A voting pact seems unlikely. For all of Farages many flaws being a complete idiot isnt one of them so he wont trust Johnson as far as he can throw him.

    piha
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    @ Scotroutes – I fear the BP will do rather well, on the back of a single issue No Deal Brexit Campaign. This will embolden or force de Pfeffel to push his own No Deal or the hardest of Brexits possible.

    5thElefant

    Confiscation of private property

    I’m actually with you on that one – Labour appear to have lost their minds on that issue.

    JP

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     fear the BP will do rather well, on the back of a single issue No Deal Brexit Campaign. This will embolden or force de Pfeffel to push his own No Deal or the hardest of Brexits possible.

    But if splitting the pro-(hard)Brexit vote lets Labour in then it’ll be even worse.

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    At the risk of stating the obvious. This election campaign will be focused on brexit with no mention of what else the successful party will do. It might be the big issue of the day but it could be a 5 year term which is a long time if their other plans are crazy (selling the NHS, screwing the most vulnerable, islamaphobic etc).

    Premier Icon footflaps
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    I suspect we’ll just end up with another hung parliament / minority leadership / coalition which will resolve nothing….

    And to be fair, I’d be quite happy with that as it will keep Brexit stalled…

    Premier Icon Rusty Spanner
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    We are just lucky that Corbyn is not that skilled operator, although McDonnell might be – see his youtube videos celebrating direct action and spitting in your managers tea being a victory for the people.

    Neither of them are skilled. Sadly.

    Ah well.
    Anyone who stands up against entitled right whngers who whine about living in one of the most privileged parts of the western world is worth listening to.
    Shame they’ve been unable to leave the sixth form common room, but at least they’re socialists.

    Though cowards flinch and traitors sneer……
    we’ve never needed a decent democratic socialist government as much as we do now.

    The last Labour manifesto, you know, the only one that was independantly costed was just fine in my eyes.
    The addition of scrapping private education is just the icing on the cake.

    And what’s wrong with direct action?

    Premier Icon Drac
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    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Who wants an antisemitc socialist party in power?

    Labour aren’t antisemitic in any real sense – totally inflated story based on insinuation and smear tactics. I do however very much want a socialist party in power.

    Greed is bad.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    Oh and conflating Nazis who called themselves socialist to make it look like they were on the people’s side with Labour who actually are is very poorly informed.

    mattyfez
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    It’ll be a totally hung parliament across three or four parties.. and we’ll still be in the same mess.
    Bxp making noises that they’ll get into bed with the tories but the tories aren’t interested.

    We need a second referendum before a general election.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    I think Johnson will win

    But not by a massive margin (he’s actually worse at this than May, just better at spin, well Cummings is)

    Populism works, even if the result will be a disaster for the country.

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