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  • wrecker
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    I think that there’s too much pressure to win every game from up high (and the public) which prevents the England manager from experimenting.

    Pigface
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    A mates son is getting capped at U16 today for Wales, good luck Paris Thomas

    jambalaya
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    Let’s judge Lancaster after the tournament. IMO the whole England setup has been building for this tournament. Its a home world cup. A pretty average French team made the final in 2011 and went down 8-7 in the face of some very poor refereeing (how many penalties where they denied ?). England where no great shakes in 2007 either and where a “foot in touch” away from a shock win. This is very high pressure rugby, its about winning. England have a squad of players who could win it. Whether they do will turn on a few key moments. Same applies to a few teams, thats what mkes the torunament so exciting

    namastebuzz
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    Let’s judge Lancaster after the tournament.

    Of course but I don’t hold out any great hopes.

    England have great depth (especially up front) and enough quality that, coupled with home advantage, gives them an outside chance.

    I just feel that the coaching staff have done little to impprove that chance over the last four years. SL said his aim was to have a settled team with several hundred caps going into the RWC but he hasn’t managed that. England have also failed to win the 6N and have a miserable record against the SH.

    Is his aim to win this world cup, though? Genuine question, as in, is he aiming for a longer term with a young team?

    It’s an interesting question but surely a home RWC is there to be won, not as an experiment for 2019. People say England have a great crop of U-20s who’ll come through for 2019 but if that was the plan then the likes of Itoje and Slade would’ve been tried before now.

    namastebuzz
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    On a lighter note, I’d posted this on the old Rugby thread before I realised that this one had started.

    If you’ve got five minutes to spare – this is a great story:

    The Last Amateur

    Kryton57
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    Cricfree is covered in ads and I can’t get under them to pay anything.

    Any other suggestions?

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Close as many as you can then go full screen.

    wrecker
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    England are being eaten alive at the breakdown. The flankers are absent mainly (I think) because they have Billy V man marking Bastardo.

    duckman
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    Thanks for that n-buzz,made me all nostalgic. I am the same age as him and it made me long for the days when we had international players at club level,and played against them most weeks. It sometimes seems the game has been professional for ages,and I wonder if somebody making his senior club debut next week will look back on it in nearly 35 years they way I do,actually scratch that,I am playing against a touring Chilean side in three weeks,so not retired yet!

    wrecker
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    And now we have ****ing Sanderson. This is why I hate rugby on sky. The man’s a complete turd who should never have won a single england cap.

    Kryton57
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    What utter shite.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Tell you what. The “Pool of Death” is looking pretty tough now.

    Australia, Wales AND Fiji? All in the same group?

    😉

    wrecker
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    England are going to get massacred in the RWC. They’ll get out of the group but that’s it.
    Some points;
    -Ford is not nailed on 10, and nor should he be. He awful under pressure.
    -Care is the best 9 england has as shown last week and this.
    -May’s frailties massively exposed. He’s a good runner but he has severe deficiencies. Nowell less threatening but far more rounded rugby player.
    -Burrel played well. I’m going to be annoyed that either he or slade will lose out to Burgess. That is really really shit.
    -Tom Youngs cannot throw a rugby ball.
    -You can’t ref a scrum when the ground is ****ed.
    -Cipriani must be in.

    Kryton57
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    Cips scores. Burrell stakes his claim a bit.

    Kryton wonders he should have bought a Welsh supporters shirt instead.

    wrecker
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    Kryton wonders he should have bought a Welsh supporters shirt instead.

    Don’t make me trawl your posts and quote you dude!!!!!!!!

    CaptainFlashheart
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    -Care is the best 9 England has as shown last week and this.

    Agreed. Really glad that he’s sorted out his demons from a few years ago. Exciting player to watch.

    -Burrel played well. I’m going to be annoyed that either he or slade will lose out to Burgess. That is really really shit.

    Sadly, for all concerned, I think that’s nailed on. Burgess is the Messiah, apparently. Feel sorry for him, because he clearly isn’t. But he will be picked. At hooker, probably, after tonight’s performance!

    Kryton wonders he should have bought a Welsh supporters shirt instead.

    An English supporting friend of mine is on record as saying he’ll switch to Wales if Burgess is picked, claiming a Welsh great-grandmother. 🙂

    DezB
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    2nd half just shows – if you have the ball DON’t kick it to the opposition!! Drives me nuts that.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Ooh, they’re coming back now!

    Cue the papers praising the Golden Generation. 😉

    Kryton57
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    Lol @Wrecker.

    CFH, it’s Mrs K’s turn to put he kids to bed tonight, looks like I shall be visiting the Jazz lounge and it’s well stocked rum bar with my new best friend Admiral Rodney.

    CaptainFlashheart
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    visiting the Jazz lounge…with my new best friend Admiral Rodney.

    Why not just admit that you’re having a clicky linky as it’s a rather rude, but funny, image

    🙂

    wrecker
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    Sadly, for all concerned, I think that’s nailed on

    Me too, sir. Me too.

    wrecker
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    Based on what we’ve seen so far;
    Marler
    George
    Vunipola
    Launchbury
    Atwood
    Robshaw
    Morgan
    Haskell
    Care
    Farrell
    Slade or Cipriani
    JJ
    Watson
    Nowell
    Brown

    Pigface
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    Oh dear 😆 😆 😆

    wrecker
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    Careful pigface, careful. You have friendlies against Italy and Uruguay coming up…..

    CaptainFlashheart
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    Wrecker, there’s one name missing from your team selection up there…..

    😉

    wrecker
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    Mine?
    It’s Burgess isn’t it?
    **** you Sam Burgess!!!!!

    namastebuzz
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    I think that’s nailed on. Burgess is the Messiah, apparently.

    He’s not the messiah, he’s a very naughty boy……

    Kryton57
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    You would be too CFH if you saw the shape of the entertainment staff down here.

    Poor game. England can do better but if he game vs Ireland goes against is next week I feel doom. Now is not the time to be building, now is the time to be playing. Our lack of 7 / 7 type qualities Is there for all to see.

    Drink rum and prosper I say…

    duckman
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    Re-read that post this morning k57…

    surfer
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    Cipriani was the single most effective change. Leaving aside the very well taken try he transformed the team in the last few minutes, aided by a few other late changes (Easter, Attwood)
    England slow and labouring, a poor pitch which made it impossible to referee the scrum as well as a couple of other strange decisions. It was only when Cipriani came on did England show any flair or attacking intent. From that point on France were on the backfoot.
    No doubt Lancaster will leave him out.

    anagallis_arvensis
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    Dr Jaw would love to see Cipriani at 12!

    Pigface
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    Wrecker that was for the rude man rather than you decent Saes 😆

    Tom-B
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    Hartley is going to prove a huge loss I fear. Anyone else think that Wilson should be in ahead of Cole? For me Wilson is currently far better in the scrum….not quite as visible around the park, but then Cole is an absolute penalty machine and has been for a while!

    As a few others have said, it’ll be a travesty is Slade and Cips are dropped and Slammin Sam stays.

    tallie
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    Disappointing match from a partisan England fan’s perspective. The failure of the pack, in particular the tight 5, to even compete for much of the match is a significant concern. England looked tired, drawn and thin with many players appearing to have lost bulk and consistently losing out in the tight contact one on one battles.

    Difficult to judge the backs as they had no ball and were behind a pack going backwards at a rate of knots. I think on balance, after some initial wobbles, Ford didn’t do too badly; I suspect Farrell (who to be fair I’m not a fan of) would have got frustrated and done something daft or niggly and potentially got penalised or even carded.

    Whilst I think the lack of a decent classic open side is a concern and will have a negative impact if we manage to progress in the WC it made little difference last night; even the best open sides (McCaw, Jones, Smith, Back, Rives, Calder) would have been unable to achieve much in a pack being so comprehensively outplayed.

    IdleJon
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    Whilst I think the lack of a decent classic open side is a concern and will have a negative impact

    When was the last time England had a proper 7? Neil Back, I’m thinking?

    anagallis_arvensis
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    I’m not sure a proper 7 is the problem if your scrum and lineout are being shafted any 7 will struggle, ask Martyn Williams. What is a proper 7 anyway. Tipuric is more a classic 7 than Warburton but warnurton has done a very good job at 6 or 7 but Warburton is a more effective player at international level. SOB is no “proper” 7 but a great player.

    tallie
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    I’m not sure a proper 7 is the problem if your scrum and lineout are being shafted any 7 will struggle, ask Martyn Williams.

    Completely agree.

    What is a proper 7 anyway.

    McCaw, Jones (both Michael and Gywn), Smith, Back, Rives, Calder, Williams. A back row of Warburton, Falatau and Tips behind a competitive front five would be extremely potent in combination with the Welsh back line. The challenge of course, particularly for Wales, is finding a competitive tight 5 who are all fit at the same time.

    The unbalanced back row consisting of the 3 biggest blokes you can find is a peculiarly NH phenomenon (England have suffered from it since the Jack Rowell days with the exception of the brief Neil Back era) and perhaps explains the general lack of success of NH teams vs the SH. The ABs who have never been without a ‘classic” open side, view the position as more / as important as the fly half…

    wrecker
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    Rugby has changed. All players are now expected to have a crack at a turnover and backs to participate in rucks rather than have one single nutter with a seven on his back who tries to get to the bottom of every ruck. I spent years doing this but I’d never have been a 7 in the game now.

    Kryton57
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    Tallies last para and wreckers post is what Brian Moore states on his latest book; not withstanding the requirement to bind and push that basically 1 and 7 at least have been replaced from a skills perspective by big blokes.

    tinybits
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    And yet the great 7’s still seem tomhave more effect at the breakdowns than others. Look at Julian Salvi for Leicester (now Exeter) somehow they are always there, knowing when a turnover is possible and getting into the right position to achieve.
    England were a shambles. How have, in the course of 5 weeks coaching, the Engl and pack been made to look so bloody woeful. Cole could scrummage for example, that hooker was doing storming runs all over the place ( and hit his line out jumpers some of the time). the power of the pack would snuff the life out of teams (including France)and somehow, they now look like a poor Australian pack with no threat behind the pack either.
    In the backs, Cips looks good and I expect him to be dropped shortly along with Slade, and they can join the other wingers who look like game changers playing in a regional nothingness until the. World cups over.

    It’s not going to be a pretty World Cup that’s a fact! Wales and Aus to qualify on recent performances

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