And thanks England, thanks for your sacrifice to the cause. 🙂

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Was at the England France match 4 years ago when they went out the last time.
That really did feel like the end of an era, that the players and coaching team involved had had their shot, let people down, and deserved to go. This time they were just beaten by a much better team. Kind of understand Wilko’s point, there’s a lot of youth there and they really should have been looking at this one as experience towards peaking for 2019. Seems weird, but that’s the age/experience level when more of these lot will be peaking.

Not the team maybe, but certainly the coaching side of things.

Clueless performance from England. Maybe get the Japanese in to give a motivational talk?

This is in no way disrespectful to the Japanese, I watched them earlier. They believed, we didn’t.

DanW – Oi! See earlier post. No wrecking dreams until after next Saturday.

The English media trying to claim the glory of England being the first host nation to be knocked out in the pool stage. Up yours, England. Wales got there first, back in 1991. 😆

True but England have enough players and resources to compete with anyone if only there was some proper leadership going on.

They’re not rules they’re laws and imo the game should not be dumbed down any further to pander to half witted kiss ballers who show a passing interested in rugby to bask in England rugby’s (sadly passed) glory and bait co-workers from other home nations.

In the end beaten by 2 better teams although I suspect (and fervently hope) there’s a decent team waiting to ultimately emerge from the confused selection and tactical decisions.

Not sure who (if anyone) to support now – would like Wales to do well but think that’s unlikely given their injury list. Could never bring myself to support the French or SH – suppose that leaves Ireland…

Flashy. You won’t get me supporting Wales while Italy are still in the fight. Parisse is back tomorrow, huzzah!

I’m 1/16th French, so allez les blues.

Duckman feel free to disagree but you can’t because Scotland are cack, you can’t play rugby at this level static it is school boy stuff. Bottom of 6 nations is a fact.

There were occasional glimmers of hope when we were running with ball in hand but any management team that thought bringing Easter on would be a positive move need to be replaced.
Now supporting Japan for their overwhelming desire to play good rugby.

Duckman feel free to disagree but you can’t because Scotland are cack, you can’t play rugby at this level static it is school boy stuff. Bottom of 6 nations is a fact.

Reserving smugness for if we qualify, it’s going to be a long week. We are shite like but we’re fine with that, English fans in general have never got the hang of getting humped. It’s an important life skill.

South Africa would have put England to the sword today and thee knows it.

Gotta laugh at the pundits use of the term “England’s tight five” come scrum time they were anything but both marker and mako step out. A tight unit moving forward will split that resulting in a penalty.

Scotland could be a surprise against Samoa as they looked out on their feet against Japan but we’ll probably analyze their game and play to their strengths like we did for SA.

Back to Japan for a moment. I think there was some very poor decisions by the Japanese not to push for the 4 try bonus point. It could mean the difference between progress to the QF or going home. 20 points up at half time and they go into their shells and kick the penalties. At least give it a go.

Inexperience most likely.

Australia looked pretty polished, with a bit more to come I’d say. England looked clueless, not helped by the selection of very inexperienced players, or ones that are past being put out to pasture. Easter may be a form player, but there’s a massive gulf between club rugby and international level. In his prime he’d stick his head down and charge into contact with his arse in the air, when he should be running into space and over the gain line.

Why were the likes of Cipriani, Care, Armitage, Slade, not in the England squad?

England got exactly what they deserved. Poor selection, poor coaching, poor results. All crystal clear in the warm ups. They changed nothing. Cole is **** shit, the youngs bris similarly shit. Barrit is a fine player but hasn’t played any rugby! Burgess a failed experiment. Meanwhile players like ewers, slade,cipriani, Brooke’s rtc etc scrape game time. Shit. So Stuart lancaster, Andy Farrell and Graham Rowntree; **** OFF
What do I care? For the remainder of the cup, I’m Irish. Now just to get over myintense dislike of that complete prick Cain Healy.

Who are Englands pocock and hooper?? Is there anyone out there eligible for England who can do what they do?

Has no one noticed that against the odds England had the momentum and we’re coming back into it, many by passing after committing the defender but before contact – until two daft tackles that they were lucky to get away with one yellow card from.
If Farrell and Burgess had some more discipline they might still have won that match – whether or not their general performance entitled them to.
That really could have been a big come back – and no I’m not dreaming about a fantasy England win, I’m Scots and dreaming about a bonus point win against Samoa.

Thanks for that intelligent contribution to the thread Stavaigan

Scotland have put themselves in a good position but seem to be going backwards slightly. I don’t think Samoa will be an easy game but then USA vs Japan isn’t a given either as the US came out hard last time around.

I don’t think it has been mentioned yet but JD2 and 1/2p are reported to not be taking their final year contract options and could be leaving France at the end of the season