The links I provide are laden with fact… if we just accepted facts blindly, without questioning or suppostion, the earth would still be flat and we’d still be amino acids (maybe… after all, the basis of our entire existence is built on question and supposition)

What’s your answer?

This is an open forum for open discussion… if anyone thinks they have an answer, they’re free to contribute.

What are your thoughts on the fact that Keith Harding, a known abuser, who knew other high ranking abusers, including the Home Secretary Leon Brittan and Cyril Smith, who was protected by the security services, along with Jimmy Savile, who was a close confidant of the future king, was a high ranking Freemason at a lodge affiliated with GCHQ, a government owned institution, whose extensive global surveillance the government tried to cover up?

That you can connect the dots between many events/people but you still have to prove causality and an actual link of something.

You are great at the former and risible at the later – I am not even sure you get the concept tbh. Random oh look this and then this and then this so therefore this is not proof and you dont seem to get this really basic point.
Oh look he did a bad thing and he once went here where he met Y and he knows this person who is an IRA Mason with links to the royals and the elite and therefore the Queen has a paedo network. Its not proof of anything except your inability to think correctly.

The cause is laudable your method laughable

HTH…..as if it will as you just want “facts” that agree with you.

Welcome aboard Comrade 😉

Who knew what a unifying force he could be …..shall we send him to the middle east now Tony has given it up 😀

We watched “The Detectives” last night about specially trained detectives who investigate sex crimes. Very very tough job. All on iPlayer

BBC Link

There’s positives in any situation and having a unified group of critics certainly helps iron out any minor errors before taking things to the big stage.

Believe it or not, MP John Mann:

who has been pivotal in ensuring allegations of a wide ranging VIP paedophile ring are adequately investigated, has contacted me regarding my research.

I can’t go into too much detail at the moment, but in the meantime, you may want to read this, regarding Esther Baker, the woman who was brave enough to waive anonymity to tell her story of how from the age of 6, she was raped by a Liberal Democrat MP, along with Lords and Judges.

https://davidhencke.wordpress.com/2015/06/02/esther-baker-child-sex-abuse-allegations-a-challenging-case-for-staffordshire-police/

And to add to the complications a third survivor, a man already talking to the Met Police, about allegations in Dolphin Square, London has identified from a picture of Esther as a child, her being there.

All of it’s shocking and truely appalling @jive but for me it’s intensity of it in single locations like Oxford and Rotherham and the complicity of so many people who willfully or negligently turned a blind eye.

Excellent coverage on Channel 4 News this evening. A summary here with the interviews and news coverage http://www.channel4.com/news/hundreds-of-child-sex-offenders-identified-in-rotherham

Both Nazir Afzal and Sarah Champion, Labour MP got straight to the point. In Rotherham, Rochdale and Oxford this was an issue of predominantly Pakistani men. The majority of sex abuse in the UK is carried out by white British males, but in these cases the picture is predominantly possibly exclusively Pakistanai men and there is an issue that street grooming has a racial profile. Pakistani men and young white girls.

What has allowed this to continue for 20 years has been an abject failure of the local authorities including the police who are predominantly white. The only explanation I have is one of a misguided sense of political correctness.

I was in the Houses of Parliament yesterday, at this meeting:

http://europe.newsweek.com/allegations-fly-heated-westminster-child-abuse-conference-329209

This was especially chilling:

There was also an account from a Social worker from Cheshire who had tried to inform his co-workers of ongoing abuse and rape of young kids, who was ignored by his colleagues, then the police, then eventually jailed in an attempt to silence him.

This was not in the distant past, but within the last year.

He, along with a number of others with similar stories mentioned that Freemasons had played a part in the cover up.

Are Pakistani men known for their Freemasonary membership?

The last time I was in a Freemason’s lodge, I’m pretty sure the only faces I saw there were those of white men. And I live in East Lancashire where there’s a larger-than-average proportion of Pakistani families.

Don’t worry Cougar, you take your time…

in the meantime, let’s not forget that much of the scandal comes from the fact that the Police (42 Officers out of how many?) and council were complicit in the cover up of abuse:

That’s before taking into account it was known about as far back as 2001 and reported to the Home Office in 2003…

Are we sure the blame can be laid solely on political correctness?

Yes ! an absolute career wrecking fear of being regarded as racist.

Try a bit of a diversion on your intensive researchs : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Honeyford

This.

@antigee, point taken

I think jambys points about left wing councils being too PC are mostly true*, however it seems to have created a dreadful situation with prevailimg right wing Police attitude, which seems to have been that the these girls were ‘chav’ scum and virtually prostitutes, so not worth worrying about

* although I suspect its majorly influenced by the massive underfunding of social work, and fear of a repetition of the riots like those seen in Oldham etc

* although I suspect its majorly influenced by the massive underfunding of social work, and fear of a repetition of the riots like those seen in Oldham etc

I don’t see it as an entirely right wing /left wing issue; it’s more to do with a fear of appearing racist, when the interpretation of being racist is anyone with the audacity to criticize the action or attitudes of a particular ethnic group. These accusations have happened in the past: re: Ray Honeyford being a classic case and that was way before the Oldham riots.
If the Police did have a prevailing right wing attitude I would imagine they would have directed this attitude towards pursuing convictions against Asian men rather than ignoring the white chav scum its blatantly obvious that the Police did nothing for fear of being seen as racist/right wing.

as opposed to JHJ’s post which clearly shows police contempt for the victims

No I haven’t any evidence that would satisfy the point you are trying to make, if you read the wiki page about Ray Honeyford Iam sure you could deduce that he was hounded out of his job because he had the audacity to criticise the Muslim community in Bradford. Are you telling me the predominantly white male police of south Yorkshire who you yourself said were prevailingly right wing sided in favour of Asian men against white teenage girls?
Saying that it was covered up because of so called political correctness is probably wrong , I strongly doubt many of the white male police officers of south Yorkshire were great exponents of political correctness, they feared that if the accusations at the time were aired they themselves would be accused of racism and it was that fear that dissuaded them from pursuing the cases.

Playing devil’s advocate for a moment, would you be more or less likely to have concerns about being outed as a racist if you actually were one?

TBH if you are not a racist you wont care about someone calling you a racist as they wont be able to prove you are a racist because its not true and everyone you work with will know this.
I have had, including working for social services and YOT, been accused of racism by folk on more than one occasion. Someone once called me the racist face of the white establishment 😆
Never cared as it was all BS
In this case there is no proof just innuendo.
IME some folk hate PC and blame it for many things and the left even when it proves to be factually incorrect that they were all left wing councils I like the way you addressed that error Jamb …best way to keep the 100% record eh

The only issue i have here is deciding who is more likely to listen to reason Jamb or Jive…… tough call.
Bows out realising what futile means