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  • Premier Icon Nobby
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    Saw this earlier and was equally appalled.

    Unlike many cases around at the moment, this is not ‘decades ago’ but very recent indeed. It led me to presume that many of those involved – the scale of it implies there must have been many from the perpetrators to those who ignored it or covered up – are still around, possibly even still in their job/position.

    Usually, I’m not one for witch hunts but these scum need to be found and prosecuted.

    bikebouy
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    Leader of Rotherham Council stepping down

    Stepping down?

    He should be **** pilloried. As should anyone else who ignored or covered up what they knew to be happening.

    Hmmm.. I agree.

    kudos
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    He should be **** pilloried.

    Erm, OK, so… 4-letter word, possibly rude, describes a type of pillorying… Nope, can we have a clue? What does it rhyme with?

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    patriotpro
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    Prof Jay’s report said police “regarded many child victims with contempt” and that by far the majority of perpetrators were described as ‘Asian’ by victims”.

    Surprise, surprise.

    Despite this, the report concluded: “Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

    Brilliant!

    Imagine if all the historic child abuse, with paedophile rings both national and international involving MPs and people of influence and power was not merely historic…

    what if it still went on today?

    what if it was your kids?

    mudshark
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    “Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

    Great.

    bombjack
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    This is up there with the Ian Watkins trial as one of those reports that made me feel sick when reading. The world can be a dark place sometimes and those that committed and covered this up deserve all the sh!t they get. Another thing that alarms me is how differently these stories effect you when you have children. To think of my kids in a situation like that makes my skin crawl.

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    Leader of Rotherham Council stepping down

    Stepping down?

    He should be **** pilloried. As should anyone else who ignored or covered up what they knew to be happening.

    I don’t feel like swearing with feeling often but what the **** did these people think their jobs were? If you can’t protect children then give up, go home don’t keep going and hope no one notices. Bastards.

    “blatant” collective failures by the council’s leadership, senior managers had “underplayed” the scale of the problem and South Yorkshire Police had failed to prioritise the issue.

    children who had been doused in petrol and threatened with being set alight, threatened with guns, made to witness brutally violent rapes and threatened they would be next if they told anyone”.

    the first of these reports was “effectively suppressed” because senior officers did not believe the data. The other two were ignored, she said.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-south-yorkshire-28939089

    Solo
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    what if it still went on today?
    what if it was your kids?

    To think of my kids in a situation like that makes my skin crawl.

    Then you’re in the wrong place. This forum has a member who thinks its so amusing they’ve taken the user ID “peterfile” & STW allows it.

    lemonysam
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    what if it was your kids?

    I’d be pretty alarmed that I had any.

    jon1973
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    This forum has a member who thinks its so amusing they’ve taken the user ID “peterfile” & STW allows it.

    To be fair, I suspect that’s a reference to ‘The IT Crowd’.

    Premier Icon epicyclo
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    jivehoneyjive – Member
    Imagine if all the historic child abuse, with paedophile rings both national and international involving MPs and people of influence and power was not merely historic…

    what if it still went on today?

    The worst of it is that if we don’t clean out that nest of slime today, they will still be doing it tomorrow…

    Solo
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    To be fair, I suspect that’s a reference to ‘The IT Crowd’, rather than a random screen name.
    So its repeating a joke made by others. Still ain’t a subject to be made fun of though. Child abuse just isn’t funny, is it. And all the other user names that member could have applied for, eh.

    badnewz
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    So we send some of the perpetrators to the already overcrowded prisons, where they proceed to radicalise the other inmates.
    Can’t we just string them up and be done with it.

    Pigface
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    Appalling story and manna to the EDL and their like.

    Makes the stuff Jivehoneyjive goes on about seem not so fanciful.

    Premier Icon wwaswas
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    they proceed to radicalise the other inmates

    you’re suggesting there’s some sort of jihadi thing going as well as child abuse?

    Premier Icon Stoner
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    Still ain’t a subject to be made fun of though.

    Is there a list we can use?

    badnewz
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    you’re suggesting there’s some sort of jihadi thing going as well as child abuse?

    I figure why take the chance?

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    truly sickening

    the police and council come in for a lot of stick in the report

    repeatedly ignoring reports into the scale of the problem and viewing the victims as untrustworthy

    and before all the stw nick griffins get too excited by it all, dont forget that the countries most prolific sex offender was white and allegedly abused 500 children himself

    mudshark
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    So its repeating a joke made by others. Still ain’t a subject to be made fun of though. Child abuse just isn’t funny, is it. And all the other user names that member could have applied for, eh.

    Is it because he is black?

    badnewz
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    and before all the stw nick griffins get too excited by it all, dont forget that the countries most prolific sex offender was white and allegedly abused 500 children himself

    Dare I go against the left-wing wisdom of the STW Socialist Republic but…
    I think the bone of contention is that the allegations were not properly investigated before because the abusers were asian and the white staff were worried they would be accused of racism.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    I almost agree badnewz, the mind boggles that 3 separate reports were ignored or disbelieved and that seems to have been one of the factors, as to why.

    IHN
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    Peterfile’s name is Peter File.

    wrecker
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    what if it was your kids?

    it shouldn’t bother me any more than the thought of it happening other peoples’ children. But it does. I’d probably feel complete failure as a parent and at least attempt to do something very stupid and irresponsible to the perpetrators. I wouldn’t care what colour or race they were.
    As a fairly recent parent, I never previously understood the depth that feelings go when your kid’s involved.

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    I’m sure badnewz is quite right. Political correctness gone mad. Again.

    Premier Icon jambalaya
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    We should be grateful that this has to light, however once any prosecutions are in place we should ask ourselves very serious questions about how such a situation has occurred. The “political correctness” issue is a very serious one if it turns out to be true.

    truly appalling 😯

    wilburt
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    I spoke to an ex copper a few years ago who said he left the force and moved away from Yorkshire after been told the police couldn’t do anything about this because it was Asians and acting could be construed as racist.

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    kimbers – Member
    I almost agree badnewz, the mind boggles that 3 separate reports were ignored or disbelieved and that seems to have been one of the factors, as to why.

    That would point to the the people who suppressed it being part of a paedophile ring themselves.

    badnewz
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    That would point to the the people who suppressed it being part of a paedophile ring themselves.

    That would be too strong for me, but certainly there is culpability. Alas, the Diversity Officers rule the roost these days.

    ninfan
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    before all the stw nick griffins get too excited by it all,

    Hmm, worth remembering that one of the charges Griffin was prosecuted under (and cleared of) was a speech making this very allegation…

    Anne Cryer was saying it too, and was firmly rounded on for doing so, and C4 pulled a documentary saying the same.

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    That would point to the the people who suppressed it being part of a paedophile ring themselves.

    No it wouldn’t. That’s “conspiracy theory”.

    Tom_W1987
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    Dare I go against the left-wing wisdom of the STW Socialist Republic but…
    I think the bone of contention is that the allegations were not properly investigated before because the abusers were asian and the white staff were worried they would be accused of racism.

    Do we actually know the reports were ignored because they were Asian, everything I’ve seen so far says that they just didn’t want to mention their race in the reports.

    “These failures occured despite three reports between 2002 and 2006 “which could not have been clearer in the description of the situation in Rotherham”.

    She said the first of these reports was “effectively suppressed” because senior officers did not believe the data. The other two were ignored, she added.”

    Doesn’t seem that way to me. Perhaps some of you are actually a bunch of racists and playing into the Daily Heils hands?

    Lets go back to the ’70’s though…..because….. nonce’s.

    robdixon
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    The terrible impact this will have had on the children is almost too hard to comprehend but personally, it doesn’t come as a great surprise.

    The thing driving a good deal of these offenses is a mindset that’s far more established in the UK than many people think. As we’ve seen in Rotherham, Oldham, Bradford, Oxford and Bristol, one of the issues at play is that for many reasons, those in positions of responsibility do not feel able to publicly acknowledge the issue due to its inherent sensitivity – their reticence is reflected in the approach of MPs and to some extent the general public who don’t want to be labelled as “racist” by discussing something that actually has no relation to race but does have some relation to geography and the culture.

    My own experience is that through a number of reasonably close Muslim friends, colleagues and acquaintances I’ve heard the mindset of parts of the wider community i.e. their parents, childhood friends etc. The broader thinking aside from seeing children of other faith as somehow inferior as we’ve seen in this case also extends to:

    – children born to muslim fathers and white women being the work of the devil i.e. it’s not the father’s “fault”
    – white non muslim women being seen as prostitutes or conveniently treated as “brides for the night” so that the men don’t bear any culpability for the relationship or even having to admit they were having a relationship with a non muslim (in some cases this is at considerable emotional cost to the men as they struggle to reconcile the expectations of parents and the community with the feelings they have for their partner)
    – non muslim women basically being there to satisfy the sexual needs of muslim man on a temporary basis.
    – non muslims being dirty and inferior – particularly those that are gay or jewish.

    Clearly this thinking does not reflect all muslims but it does reflect the thinking of a significant number of those whose families originated from a handful of towns in Pakistan and to a lesser extent Bangladesh – I’ve not met any Muslims that have moved to the UK from other parts of Asia who seem to hold views that are as potentially damaging to UK society and in the main they seem to be as revolted as everyone else as are the many community leaders who have spoken out in Mosques on the specific subject of child grooming.

    It’s also worth noting that the repugnant ideology laid out by ISIS in Syria and Iraq has at its core similar underlying principles with regard to non muslims and people in Europe / the west – and whilst we don’t have daily beheadings and stonings in Britain this is perhaps an appropriate time to recognise that the belief system held by these people must be directly challenged at every opportunity in order to protect women and children in Britain in order to avoid any more child grooming, FGM, slavery and an increasing number of women being oppressed by men.

    Did someone say conspiracy theory?

    Say for example throughout modern history there is a clear trend of care workers, police, judges and even some MPs actively covering up organized abuse and trafficking of this nature…

    What do many people in positions of power have in common?

    Premier Icon slowoldman
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    Do we actually know the reports were ignored because they were Asian, everything I’ve seen so far says that they just didn’t want to mention their race in the reports

    A quote apparently from the report-
    “Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”

    Whether that impacted on the investigations and eventual prosecutions I’ve no idea, but it can’t have helped.

    Tom_W1987
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    “Several staff described their nervousness about identifying the ethnic origins of perpetrators for fear of being thought as racist; others remembered clear direction from their managers not to do so.”
    Whether that impacted on the investigations and eventual prosecutions I’ve no idea, but it can’t have helped.

    That is entirely different from saying PC attitudes stopped the reports from being taken seriously, the reports seem to point to police incompetence and sheer laziness. Which wouldn’t surprise me based on my friends dealings with social services and the police.

    So my response to everyone on here saying this is the result of “PC gone mad” would be a big all round **** you.

    badnewz
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    Blimey, in a German accent, VAKE UP!!
    PC does matter, big time baby!

    Tom_W1987
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    Blimey, in a German accent, VAKE UP!!
    PC does matter, big time baby!

    Why? Explain how in this case, political correctness directly contributed to this being swept under the carpet for a decade.

    You know, I’m starting to believe my own theory that whatever the public thinks, if you go out of your way to hold the opposite view, 95 percent of the time you’ll be right.

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