logic fail.

But then you knew that.

You’ve got me there nick, I don’t understand your reasoning… please explain

There’s some pretty suspicious aspects to the case.

there are some spurious bits of journalism copywriting as well, “was said” “some maintain” “are understood” “was seen”

from the Express, that well know last bastion of truth. 😆

I agree about the article. But then I’m intelligent enough to critically analyse evidence for myself rather than just going ‘OMG LOLZ DAILY EXPRESS’.

There’s plenty of direct quotes/facts in the article as well as all the conjecture.

And what about this bit:

“Then, more seriously, my name appeared on a multi-killer’s hit list.”

But no, carry on congratulating yourselves on how clever you all are for outsmarting a nutty conspiracy theorist, while not giving a shit about a potentially far-reaching and genuine national scandal.

https://you.38degrees.org.uk/petitions/fatal-accident-inquiry-for-willie-mcrae

For the hard-of-thinking – I’m not saying I believe everything I read in the above links, at all, but I think they are worthy of interest. I find it utterly bizarre how many of you don’t seem to give a shit about the very real and disturbing things that have been uncovered. JHJ seems to be doing a pretty good job of killing off any genuine interest in these matters.

You will obviously have critically analysed the evidence of this before making the accusation ?

Oh sorry everyone, I’ll just make some shit jokes about lizards shall I?

Presumably you want us to overcome our smug supercilious “complacency” by organizing anti-paedophile lynch mobs ? Perhaps a few bricks through the windows of suspected paedophiles, or failing that pediatricians, and “nonce” painted on the front of their houses ?

And yet you’ve posted many times on this thread, talking about paedophilia conspiracies. How strange. 🙄

Yes, that’s exactly what I’m suggesting, well done. 🙄

Personally I find stuff like this quite concerning/interesting – apparently that makes me weird/a conspiracy theorist:

Another day, another set of shocking headlines about allegations of historical child abuse and high-level coverups, this time a dossier being handed over by the Metropolitan police themselves to the Independent Police Complaints Commission to examine 14 allegations of Scotland Yard’s own complicity in the alleged coverup of a high-level paedophile ring.

Two weeks ago it emerged that former MP Harvey Proctor’s grace-and-favour home in Belvoir Castle had been raided by police investigating historic allegations of child abuse. Proctor has denied any involvement in, or knowledge of, the alleged establishment abuse. Other claims fester. A raid was also made on the home of the former home secretary Leon Brittan.

All have denied charges levelled by alleged victims, some of them in files passed on by current MPs convinced of an extensive establishment coverup that lasted decades. But so did Cyril Smith, who got his knighthood in 1988 despite officials warning Margaret Thatcher of paedophile allegations against him, confirmed only after the former Liberal MP was dead. Freedom of Information (FoI) papers filled in fresh details this month. Smith is again central to today’s claims.

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2015/mar/17/westminster-child-abuse-paedophile-ring-failure

Well, in my crazy imagination I had the idea that on a discussion forum people might sensibly discuss the actual issues involved rather than smugly congratulating themselves and taking the piss out of a nutty conspiracy theorist (over and over and over again), but LOLZ HE BELIEVES THE QUEEN IS A LIZARD PAEDO is clearly the way forward.

My apologies.

In my professional career, I’ve dealt directly with 4 cases of child abuse, in both a clinical and school setting. Each time the perpetrator was known to the victim, (close family or step/ half relative) and some were in positions that put them in close contact with other kids.

In conversations with other safeguarding professionals around the country the vast vast vast majority of child abuse is Family (some 95%+) the rest is made up of grooming from positions of trust (religion, doctors, scout leaders teachers and so on), and a tiny proportion is predatory. It is estimated that 10 of thousands of kids are abused by their families every year…

Families abusing their kids doesn’t sell newspapers, or draw people to websites. However, accusing politicians, or making up accusations about peodophiles networks and MI5 and so on does…

I don’t give a shit about JHJ’s wild theories.

Details are important.

They are difference between actual criminal activity, and made up shit.

If he stops making shit up, people will stop pointing it out.

Simple.

Well, in my crazy imagination I had the idea that on a discussion forum people might sensibly discuss the actual issues involved rather than smugly congratulating themselves and taking the piss out of a nutty conspiracy theorist (over and over and over again), but LOLZ HE BELIEVES THE QUEEN IS A LIZARD PAEDO is clearly the way forward.

My apologies.

It’s rather hard to have sensible discussion with someone who claims the Queen is the head of a paedophile ring and someone else who rants about “smug supercilious complacency” in a rather smug manner.

🙄 Yes because everyone else on here thinks that paedophilia is just fine. ffs

After the pathetic “nudge nudge” insinuations re Mountbatten it’s hard to give JHJ any credit. “Two young boys on the boat with him. Eh? Eh? Know what I mean? Nudge nudge.”

As mentioned above, this sort of shit detracts from any real purpose or truths, in fact it can even obfuscate them completely. No one pays attention to nutjobs and if you make yourself sound like one…..

They are difference between actual criminal activity, and made up shit.

If he stops making shit up, people will stop pointing it out.

Simple.

What do you think you are achieving though? You’re not going to persuade JHJ to start thinking rationally, and everyone else knows he’s full of shit.

Well I didn’t say that did I. What I did say is that you’re all far more interested in the sound of your own voices. Plenty of evidence for that.

And what do you think you are achieving grum?

If you want to talk about paedophile politicians, police, etc, then go ahead and do so, who exactly is stopping you? Why the obsession with the reaction that JHJ creates? Look at how much time and effort you’ve put into ranting about that.

Therein lies the problem, you seem to assume I haven’t done my research, yet time and again I’ve come through with the goods, before it later made the news.

It isn’t wild theory~ it’s made Sky News, ITV, BBC, Channel 4, Newsnight etc and is still a developing story.

As time goes on, I’m able to provide more credible sources as it becomes available in the public domain.

When you mention abuse within the family, remember that some of the kids who were subjected to rape and torture were provided to elite paedophile rings by their families… sick, but real.

Whatever it is that drives people to do such things with their own children is still questionable, but remember, we aren’t just talking about the abuse of kids, we are talking about the perversion of justice, the collusion within the system to cover it up and the very real potential that military involvement exposes:

that such activity is used to pursue agendas, which given the extent those involved are prepared to go to, are highly unlikely to be for the common good.

Denial isn’t going to solve that…

Cycling forum is here neal:

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/forum/bike-chat

Anyhoo, you might want a read of that Lambeth link I’ve posted above, after all, you wanted evidence all those months ago:

Whatsmore, there was what appears to have been a sex dungeon in a Lambeth Police station:
https://spotlightonabuse.wordpress.com/2013/03/26/the-lambeth-police-station-sex-chamber/

When you say “what appears to be” what do you mean exactly ?

There must be some EVIDENCE of it surely.

You provided a link to PROVE what you are saying was true didn’t you.

On no wait, I read your link and all it confirmed was ……. Nothing.

The investigation found ….. Nothing
The Freedom of information request found ….. Nothing

In fact, all that was proved, was there is indeed a small room in that building. Wow.

Not only that, it’s not even a building used by Police officers!
It’s a building used entirely by Civilian Clerical support staff.

And all that information is from a link YOU provided,
And you provided it to prove that high ranking police officers had a Sex Dungeon under a police station that was used to abuse kids and produce child pornography.

Even by your standards, that’s poor “evidence”

Onward to victory…

Therein lies the problem, you seem to assume I haven’t done my research, yet time and again I’ve come through with the goods, before it later made the news.

It isn’t wild theory~ it’s made Sky News, ITV, BBC, Channel 4, Newsnight etc and is still a developing story.[/quote]I have to say, the more that is reported, the more far-fetched and distasteful it all seems, but the fact remains that, as JHJ says, on this occasions, the information is out there, being reported by mainstream media, for all who are interested to see.

The original topic of this thread – specifically abuse of children in Rotherham – initially had one main facet of discussion; the ethnicity of the perpetrators, but it has since become obvious that there are many other salient factors which impacted on this case and are in common with others throughout the UK.

Corruption and cover-ups, for various motives – not least self-serving and also politically motivated – are a recurring theme.

Oh dear Jambo, guess you don’t keep up with the news…

you could of course just click the link I provided, but I’ll give you another, to accommodate your political slant:

A formal letter between Mrs Woolf and Mrs May was re-written seven times, with Home Office assistance.

Having multiple dinner parties and social engagements with the Brittans then editing her letter with Home Office assistance isn’t quite the casual coincidence you seem to suggest.

In fact, even after editing the letter 7 times, it later emerged that she had met the Brittans more recently than she’d disclosed.

Soon after she resigned as chair of the inquiry.

However, it still hasn’t been disclosed on whose advice the letters were redrafted…

(bear in mind the photo was taken on the morning of 21st October 2014~ that afternoon, Fiona Woolf went before the Home Affairs Select Committee and stated she wasn’t linked to the establishment…)

So she dresses up as Lord Mayor of London in an 18th century costume and stands behind the Queen at a formal event expecting that no one will notice her or take her photograph?

On exactly the same day that she denies any links to the establishment?

Well I don’t think she has covered her tracks very well.

Have you got any more examples of important people being photographed in clearly damning circumstances?