EU Referendum – are you in or out?

Nipper99 – Member
Id be interested to read the other analysis

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Here’s the EU’s own press release/faq

http://europa.eu/rapid/press-release_MEMO-13-690_en.htm?locale=en

Captain, firstly thanks for even looking at it. Now intention vs reality is very different. I don’t work for a bank and have not since 2012 (and even then most of the prior 20 years I was in asset management department/division). If they wanted to protect banks from a repetition of 2007-8 they would have introduced compulsory credit controls, ie max amounts on credit cards (with data sharing between lenders), minimum deposit for mortgages and compulsory income verification etc. None of that would be popular with voters so they introduce totally ineffectual and misguided “risk retention” guidelines. Also these rules apply to asset managers which means they are at a massive disadvantage to non-EU competitors

If they wanted to protect banks from a repetition of 2007-8 they would have introduced compulsory credit controls, ie max amounts on credit cards

That’s right, I remember now that it was 100% the fault of the customer and not the banks being greedy (then seeing their arses).
Do me a favour.

Jamba is right. Promising voters everything, whether it’s real or not, is popular.

Cougar I have given examples before, the people asking are just not interested in a reply.

I’m interested in a reply… which countries are doing just nicely thanks without trade deals? You said “most countries”, so the list should be nice and long…

We don’t need free trade deals, the vast majority of trade is carried on without free trade deals.

We do need them. In fact, getting more, and better, trade deals was exactly what the Leave campaign promised.
All that “EU stops us getting trade deals” utter bullshit.

How many countries do we currently have trade deals with?
How many in about five years time (that gives the government a few years post Brexit)?
I’ll wager far fewer, and that WILL effect our exports negatively, and you know it…

That’s right, I remember now that it was 100% the fault of the customer and not the banks being greedy (then seeing their arses).

I’m just thinking of all those poor bankers who could only afford a coxster with their bonus because of those ordinary people who shafted them by using all their ccs up to the limit the bankers had extended for them. It’s pretty harsh to impose regulation on those bankers who’ve experienced emotional trauma like that.

were those bonuses before or after the Taxpayer bailed them out ?

One for you Jamba. It is the Gudian so I expect you to dismiss it out of hand as not far right enough for you.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/dec/27/liberal-democrats-liberal-fightback-tim-farron-labour?CMP=oth_b-aplnews_d-2

Don’t sleep easy Brexies. We’re coming for you. Sins will not be forgiven.

Armed with the information we have now. I wonder which way a 2nd referendum would go. I see no reason not to have one, the first was voted on with false info (some say from both sides). We have more info now, so let’s go for it.

TMH we need to focus trade globally,

We already do this in many cases facilitated by EU membership….oddly enough!

a short sharp shock from leaving the EU and a deep recession there will help some of us “getbtye message”.

No it won’t. It would harm us immensely. I cannot understand why anyone would wish bad things on our most important trading partners. A very odd logic.

Don’t sleep easy Brexies. We’re coming for you. Sins will not be forgiven.

How very agressive. By 2020 GE the Referendum will be a distant memory, not even an issue. It will be about looking forward.

Lib Dem “Brexit momentum” is going to come to a crashing halt in Selafield where they are going to finish 4th.

captainsasquatch – Member
Armed with the information we have now. I wonder which way a 2nd referendum would go. I see no reason not to have one, the first was voted on with false info (some say from both sides). We have more info now, so let’s go for it.

There will be No more referendum on the same issue.

Your (remainders) fate is already sealed in 2016 😆

2017 will also be the beginning of the end of EU bureaucratic structure where you see the entire structure being dismantled in front of you like a slow motion crash … piece by piece it will be taken apart … there is Nothing you can do about it.

Don’t sleep easy Brexies. We’re coming for you. Sins will not be forgiven.

There is nothing you can do about it anymore coz the people have voted. Your fate is sealed forever for your lifetime and for few more generations to come. What you are experiencing now is the slow motion of your fate being … slowly … sloooowly … tighten further. 😈

Chewkw: you are the Borg and I claim my £5 £25 £625 £3090625 hang on a moment let me fetch a wheelbarrow. Would you mind paying me in dollars?

They’re starting to sweat now.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-38447743

Think that sums it up, wish they had made some of these cracking statements in the campaign about having to beg for trade (which I’m sure someone will be along to point out are pointless and not needed anyway)

“Businesses across Europe will want trade with the UK to continue as usual after Brexit and any hint of trade barriers by the European Commission will be rejected,” he claimed.
Mr Longworth added: “It is vital that these business leaders make representations to their national Governments to ensure that the EU is open for business.”

Lets just explain that for the hard of understanding once again, we currently have no trade bariers with the EU, you lot voted to leave that arrangement. It’s your fault if their are trade barriers.

By 2020 GE the Referendum will be a distant memory, not even an issue

Couldn’t agree more Jamba. As I’m sure you know deep down, britex is cancelled.

Can we look forward to business as usual in Europe after Brexit and the collapse of the eu then? Good bit of war and international rivalry as national governments go back to their default position of blaming everything on those nasty foreigners instead of sorting out their own problems.

Up yours EU, by the way can we still play with you? Best you do, because if you don’t it’ll be bad for you. 🙄

no shit sherlock 🙂

Captain, firstly thanks for even looking at it.

If you think anyone is going to read a several hundred page legal document in order to win an argument on the Internet try and guess what your objection is to it then you’re barking, even by your own high standards.

Care to highlight a few salient points and explain how it affects you, perhaps?

By 2020 GE the Referendum will be a distant memory, not even an issue

I really hope that’s true, but I very very much doubt it. Other than a large proportion of leave voters not remembering it cos they’ll have died of old age, anyway.

I’m still waiting for Jambalaya’s law firm article.

After 43 years the Guardian readers with the army of remainders keep pushing for instant clarification of the relationship with EU yet refused to acknowledge that they are no longer in charge. The former has to sell newspaper so hyped up the situation so the latter buy up their rhetoric.

The bottom line is Very simple.

You the reminders have no say whatsoever in how Brexit is done.

You may try to block it or try to delay it but that’s only in your mind, the fact is you are not in govt and there is nothing you can do about it. Nothing.

the fact is you are not in govt and there is nothing you can do about it. Nothing.

That also goes for the brexiters. If Mrs May decides to appoint a bunch of self-serving, lying, incompetent ditherers to implement Brexit, and it then ends up a complete disaster, there’s really nothing you can do about it.

Oh, wait. That’s what she’s done.

Chewk, question for you when Brexit fails then what, when those parts of the country that have been shafted discover that their pensions no longer exist, that the NHS is gone. That the grass isn’t greener.

What is the next step?

At what point do the disenfranchised take to the streets realising that they have been shafted?

Double or quits?

oldnpastit – Member

the fact is you are not in govt and there is nothing you can do about it. Nothing.

That also goes for the brexiters. If Mrs May decides to appoint a bunch of self-serving, lying, incompetent ditherers to implement Brexit, and it then ends up a complete disaster, there’s really nothing you can do about it.

Oh, wait. That’s what she’s done. [/quote]

Whoever are appointed Brexit will go ahead. It’s done. People have voted to leave EU. Too late to cry now after calling people fools for voting Brexit. Now you have to submit to the “fools” whether you like it or not.

This is just the beginning so don’t fool yourself by reading the Guardian to think otherwise.

Lib Dem “Brexit momentum” is going to come to a crashing halt in Selafield where they are going to finish 4th.

All it will do is reinforce how divided the UK is, how one half hates the other.

And until the brexiters begin to accept the weakness of their mandate things aren’t going to get better.

Gove is a truly odious little bastard. No doubt he’ll be back on the front bench soon.

mrmo – Member
… when Brexit fails then what, when those parts of the country that have been shafted discover that their pensions no longer exist, that the NHS is gone. That the grass isn’t greener.

‘When’ and ‘if’ … Both of which do not make sense as we are still in the process of triggering A50.

Nope, everything will be fine. You will not be shafted in anyway or form.

What is the next step?

Brexit is doing all the things that need to be done. What is YOUR own next step?

At what point do the disenfranchised take to the streets realising that they have been shafted?

The poor middle class lefties elite? Ya, do as you (lefties) wish coz that’s the norm … you like to hype up things …

Chewk, what is the objective of Brexit? What do people expect, more money? no immigrants, etc etc.

What ever emerges it will fail, those at the bottom will still be at the bottom. So what will they do when they realise that it is not going to get better. That deregulation will actually make their lives worse?

they will blame the EU for it all for not doing exactly what we wanted which will never happen – leave and yet still have unrestricted free access without paying or complying.

The RW press will still be being xenophobic

occasionally they will turn on “Us” for doing britian down by pointing out facts and the inevitable to them

PS WTF makes you expect a coherent answer from chewk or his online immigrant persona?

mrmo – Member
What ever emerges it will fail, those at the bottom will still be at the bottom. So what will they do when they realise that it is not going to get better. That deregulation will actually make their lives worse?

I think that is the least of the worries coz they are there already. i.e. they are already at the bottom.

The question is how far do they need to drag you down for you to understand them.

People have voted to leave EU. Too late to cry now after calling people fools for voting Brexit. Now you have to submit to the “fools” whether you like it or not.

Last I checked, our governmental system was a Democracy, not an Ochlocracy. It’s the job of parliament to do what’s best for the country and it’s people, not what people want. If we had a referendum asking whether we should abolish taxes and give everyone a free solid gold house, I expect the number of “yes” votes would be astonishingly high; that doesn’t make it a good idea.

The vast majority of “the people,” myself included, are not equipped to make that sort of massively complex decision. (Arguably nor are half of the politicians, but in theory at least they should be.)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/dec/28/dutch-woman-with-two-british-children-told-to-leave-uk-after-24-years

Junkyard – lazarus
they will blame the EU for it all for not doing exactly what we wanted which will never happen – leave and yet still have unrestricted free access without paying or complying.

The RW press will still be being xenophobic

occasionally they will turn on “Us” for doing britian down by pointing out facts and the inevitable to them

PS WTF makes you expect a coherent answer from chewk or his online immigrant persona?

Blame EU? We don’t even want them in the first place. 😆

As for the RW press etc … that line or argument is so predictable it really is the norm now.

For 43 years the EU system has been sneakily trying political reform under the radar … we see you coming. 😆

The question is how far do they need to drag you down for you to understand them.

That is the question that was posed above – what happens when the ones at the bottom find out that Brexit didn’t get them the job, or the house, or the hospital bed they were promised. The ones in the middle will be inconvenienced, and the ones at the top will be doing very nicely as always. The losers will have nowhere to go but rioting in the streets.

The question is how far do they need to drag you down for you to understand them.

I will just emigrate and get a job elsewhere. Something that WAS as option for those at the bottom but who chose to whinge instead. There have always been jobs in the UK if you are willing.

Cougar – Moderator
Last I checked, our governmental system was a Democracy, not an Ochlocracy. It’s the job of parliament to do what’s best for the country and it’s people, not what people want. If we had a referendum asking whether we should abolish taxes and give everyone a free solid gold house, I expect the number of “yes” votes would be astonishingly high; that doesn’t make it a good idea.

Yes, you/we are still a democracy but you twisting your words means nothing now because the people have voted OUT in the Referendum.

As for using referendum or calling to use referendum frequently as “collective decision making process/tool” that is simply naive.

The vast majority of “the people,” myself included, are not equipped to make that sort of massively complex decision. (Arguably nor are half of the politicians, but in theory at least they should be.)

In theory you should look after yourself (whether you know or not another story) and keep out of harm’s way and if everyone does the same then you have a “collective process” of doing the right thing. You trying to intervene unnecessary because the “collective” have voted against your views can only means you are trying to put a square pet into the round hole again … by force.