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Why people refuse to wear helmets?
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vincienupFree Member
Some subjects are just flamebait – and this is obviously one of them.
It probably should have been locked by mods or moved to general chat as there is no way this could be held as constructive debate on the stated subject of why some people refuse to wear helmets.
vincienupFree Member@aracer (i wasn’t going to post further but couldn’t help this)-
Congratulations on surviving your pothole crash. This neither proves nor disproves the relevance of helmets.
A helmet is relevant when the area covered by the helmet is a point of impact. This is the main reason the 15mph-ish thing is actually fine. By the time you start bouncing your head you have probably lost most of your velocity. If, say you had taken a long low dive from the bike you might have destroyed your jaw or rolled awkwardly and damaged your back – and a helmet wouldn’t have done Jack). You could have tangled your legs in the bars, gone over sideways and been runover by a passing car while prone in a position you would not otherwise have been in and again a helmet could not have helped in the slightest. Even suggesting that a helmet (especially a minimal roadie helmet) will do much to protect the face or any other area of the body not under it is almost as laughable as imagining that a cycle helmet is a magical defence against a 30+mph car that will let you walk away uninjured.
Conversely, the trend to deeper coverage at the rear of the head in mountain bike helmets coupled with the realistically slower pace (of non down-hill) off-road cycling compared to a racer on tarmac alters several of the usual entry points in the debate. It is also a consideration that a road accident is a very different proposition to misjudging a hillside trail and ending up on rocks below – the likely impact profiles are completely different.
Where a helmet will help is very specific impacts to the cranium that can cause concussion (which can be benign or life threatning) or cause serious damage to things like the ability of your optic nerve to chat to your brain. Many times you may simply scuff, graze and cut yourself up; lose teeth, bruise or break cheeks, jaws etc. Other times you may be less lucky- which is really the key word.
All activity can be shown to hold risks. Helmets simply make some of the less palatable risks less likely. I suspect that if in your example you were to attempt to sue, the question of why you didn’t see the hole and rode into it would be raised. If you were simply going too fast then this is pretty much indefensible. Remember; the purpose of a helmet is not to make injury impossible; it is to substantially reduce the risk of crippling yourself in certain circumstances.
I understand you are big enough to make your own decisions but I do not believe you can predict how or indeed, if you are likely to hit the ground or any other given obstacle on a given day before you even get on the bike – therefore the risk assessment is actually more of a la-la song, but if this makes you happy then that’s fine.
What I find strangest about cyclists and helmets is that by and large motorcyclists and horse riders agree they are a useful thing. Likewise in most of the country it’s been the accepted norm to wear seatbelts since about 1978 or whenever it was (exceptions for parts of West Yorkshire and probably other places that I haven’t lived in). So why is cycling different?
I really don’t care that you don’t want a helmet or even if you wear one or not. What I object to is your wrong-headed ‘logic’.
aracerFree MemberWhat I object to is your wrong-headed ‘logic’.
Which bit of my logic? Did you actually read my post properly and understand the point I was making with the pothole crash anecdote?
I’m quite convinced you didn’t understand the part of my post where I mention not wearing a helmet to cycle on easy stuff 😉
What I find strangest about
cyclistsdrivers and helmets is that by and large motorcyclists and horse riders agree they are a useful thing. Likewise in most of the country it’s been the accepted norm to wear seatbelts since about 1978 or whenever it was (exceptions for parts of West Yorkshire and probably other places that I haven’t lived in). So why iscyclingdriving different?FTFY
yunkiFree MemberOh and my personal take on helmet wearing, I almost always wear one when riding a bike and my kids always wear them.
this is the most salient point..
alex222Free Memberan old mate reckons all cars should have a spike on the steering wheel to improve concentration
Your friend tells some cracking jokes I bet he is a fungi
bencooperFree Membertrot out the ’15mph’ story and think it’s clever.
Well, firstly it’s 12.5mph, and that’s for the stricter SNELL tests which aren’t used any more. The reason I mention it is that impact energy goes as the square of velocity – so an impact at 25mph will have 4 times the energy that the helmet is designed for.
I have no objection to helmets. For what they’re designed for (low speed impacts) they’re fine. What I object to is the idea that they’ll be much use at higher speeds, when basic physics tells you they probably won’t.
ormondroydFree MemberThe reason I mention it is that impact energy goes as the square of velocity – so an impact at 25mph will have 4 times the energy that the helmet is designed for.
That doesn’t mean the helmet won’t still absorb a good amount of that energy though. Even if it’s a quarter of it, that’s still potentially a big difference to a head injury
miketuallyFree MemberAs I said 18 hours ago…
If I don’t want to read all that, has somebody made an amazing point which will sway me from my current position? Or is it the same old same old?
I’m currently working on the assumption that people who still partake in ‘debate’ on helmet threads have recently sustained a head injury.
So, has anyone contributed anything new which will sway me from my current position yet? Or, have you all been wasting your lives?
ransosFree MemberWhether a polystyrene helmet is going to protect you from a full on 20 mile/h head first collision with a rock, I’m far from convinced about, but I can’t possibly see how it won’t protect you from certain types of impacts. And even if thats just a glancing blow that would otherwise have required stitches, then thats good enough for me…
I completely agree – it’s why I wear one.
I had a couple of spills when out mtbing in the Mendips on Sunday – I have a sore shoulder and a swollen left wrist. So why do the evangelists not advocate body armour as well as helmets?
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberBugger all. Not a sausage. Are you at all disappointed with this performance?
alex222Free MemberMy helmet is sore this morning, is it still ok to use it ?
Go to your local GUM clinic.
yunkiFree MemberMy helmet is sore this morning, is it still ok to use it ?
nettles applied liberally should render it safe for general usage..
Rusty-ShacklefordFree MemberI struggle with long sentences, but props to the other Rusty for the Charlie Mingus reference…gonna listen to the man tonight. Probably Ah Um and maybe some Blues & Roots, too.
rudebwoyFree Memberyunki– so thats your bag 😉
Did once have some warts remove from my helmet, with electric lance, it looked like a swiss cheese after, fortunately the human body is brilliant at repair !
TurnerGuyFree MemberSo why do the evangelists not advocate body armour as well as helmets?
because your brain in encased in your head – and whatever impact you have, the helmet is going to reduce the impact energy to some extent, reducing the likelihood of concussion or any other injury.
GrahamSFull Memberbecause your brain in encased in your head
But your spinal cord is in encased in your neck and back, and you heart and lungs are in your chest. All are fairly important components.
JunkyardFree Memberwe did it just to make sure you could count…now if you had a head injury form not wearing a helmet…..
D0NKFull Member**** me 7 pages in less than 24hours we’re getting really good at this aint we?
<edit> personally I reckon yes helmets are probably a good idea but no, going lidless is not tantamount to assisted suicide or playing russian roulette.
TurnerGuyFree MemberBut your spinal cord is in encased in your neck and back, and you heart and lungs are in your chest
but smacking your head is a fairly easy thing to do compared to the other injuries.
GrahamSFull Membersmacking your head is a fairly easy thing to do compared to the other injuries.
Yeah, maybe. Though a collarbone or wrist injury is even easier to do which makes me wonder at the people who say they would have “no sympathy” for someone with a head injury and no helmet, but would presumably be sympathetic to someone with a broken wrist or collarbone.
Anyway, pointless anecdote time: a mate of mine broke his neck skiing (fortunately without damaging his spinal cord, lucky boy) and I do sometimes wonder if the helmet he was wearing contributed to the twisting action on his neck.
nedrapierFull Memberbut smacking your head is a fairly easy thing to do compared to the other injuries.
On the other hand, I’ve been amazed at how well I’ve instintively protected my head. Couple of biggish otb’s and not a scratch on the head.
One occasion on the road (young and stupid, too fast for the circumstances, no helmet, car), I had cuts and scrapes pretty much everywhere: both hands, elbows, knees, shoulders and back. Seriously shaken up, lots of blood, pretty hurt, but head was completely unharmed. I must have a good tuck and roll.
brakesFree MemberI must have a good tuck and roll.
have you ever done judo?
when I was a kid I was always falling on my head – cut it open 5 times before I was eight, all involving trips to casualty. then I went to judo for a few years and haven’t done it since.
can ex-judoists be exempt from wearing helmets?nedrapierFull MemberThink I got to 3 Mon on a white belt when I did it for a term when I was seven. Not sure that would qualify. What did you have in mind for minimum grade?
Years of rugby probably does a similar job though.
Just moved a bit further north, btw, between Highgate and C.E. Any local highlights I should be aware of?
ransosFree Memberbut smacking your head is a fairly easy thing to do compared to the other injuries.
How often do you hit your head on the ground when you fall off? It’s once in 20 years of cycling for me.
brakesFree MemberJust moved a bit further north, btw, between Highgate and CE Any local highlights I should be aware of?
somewhere round Shepherd’s Hill/ Hornsey Lane?
you’re at the top of the North London alps. Nearby highlights include the Cols de Highgate Cemetery, Dartmouth Park Hill and Highgate West.EDIT: I’ve not Strava’d them yet, they’re well ridden routes by some seriously quick riders. but I do like a blast up to Ally Pally at the end of the day. Nice views from the top.
nedrapierFull MemberYup, Shepherds Hill. Perfect commute, I reckon. Non-sweaty downhill run on the way in, flatish warm up on the way back, then a couple of reasonable hills to ruin myself on, should the mood take me. As it did yesterday.
I wasn’t really thinking cycling highlights when I posted earlier, but I am looking forward to some nicer from-the-door thrashes, so I’ll bear those in mind, cheers!
theocbFree MemberIf I see a rider down who IS wearing a Helmet I always ride right on by and just think ‘he’ll be fine’ 😉
ononeorangeFull MemberAs I always say….”Climb every mountain, ford every stream….”
PeyoteFree MemberHow often do you hit your head on the ground when you fall off? It’s once in 20 years of cycling for me.
Twice in about 20 years for me, both times I landed on my face two and suffered cuts, bruises etc… I was wearing a helmet the second time and the peak somehow ended up being forced into my nose. I’ve got a scar on the bridge now, the St John’s ambulance people at Mountain Mayhem laughed at me too. B*st*rds!
Still wear a helmet when on Tourer and MTB, but not on folding bike as I’m wearing normal clothes then and can’t be bothered. Not sure what any of this proves, don’t even know why I wear one…
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberFollow every byway*, until you find your dream….
*Note, no footpaths involved here.
PeyoteFree MemberI bet the Austrians had/have better Rights Of Way legislation than we do (NB – we is me and my English brethren, I know you Scots do things better).
hugorFree MemberI just want to know what is the longest running helmet thread.
Seems to me Crikey has taken TJ’s role in this debate but hopefully he will spare us from endless ctc or pubmed links.
I’m not sure how dealing with unconscious people on a daily basis prepares you for an informed opinion on helmet efficacy.
The best of current medical (as opposed to nursing) evidence on any medical subject is published in the Cochrane review and is heavily in favor of helmets being protective.
linky
It may not be gospel but it’s the best of current expert opinion which is quite frankly what most modern medicine relies on and is better than anyone on here could argue.
If you don’t wear a helmet I couldn’t give a shit cause people like you pay my mortgages, but nothing gets up my skin more than health professionals misquoting medical literature.lardmanFree MemberSometimes i ride without my helmet on. I make a choice based on my requirements.
Sometimes it’s nice to feel the cool breeze through whatever is left of my hair.
I generally ride slowly and cautiously at these times, whilst enjoying the view and experiencing the elements.Sometimes i ride with my helmet on. I make a choice based on my requirements.
Sometimes it’s nice to nail it down a trail barely hanging onto the edge of control, with whatever is left of my reflexes to guide/save me.It’s always my choice tho’. Not subject to the opinion of others.
I reckon it should stay like that.The Lard.
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