Ukraine

No way can we and Europe allow the current gas issue to continue for more than 5 more months before we see a change of heart …

What Ukraine does next week be interesting

DNPR forces seem better skilled & motivated that the Russian army of conscripts in general, but if Ukr can push on in the north through Luhansk that could cause problems for DNPR

In the south, through Kherson seems a tough fight to or Ukrainians, hopefully Russian morale broken

Yeah I’m interested to see. Taking the (north half of) LPR would seem to make sense, it would follow the current momentum, and would also potentially reclaim a lot of land. But I’ve seen people (like Mike whatsit on Twitter, ThreshedThought) suggesting that the best move, if possible, would be to knock out the Kerch bridge and head south from Zaporzhizha (sp?!) to the coast. That way they could cut off the logistics to the Kherson front altogether. On the north side of the Dnipro they’ve been wearing down the Ru forces for a while, so perhaps it’s smarter to keep doing that for now, than risk a full on offensive? Some people suggest the Russians are now looking pretty wobbly in that area.

No way can we and Europe allow the current gas issue to continue for more than 5 more months before we see a change of heart …

Ooo… dubious conspiracy theory posting new member also bigging up letting Putin have his way… quelle surprise.

https://twitter.com/STWuk/status/1567539083026604034

“How do we stop the war” –

It’s an interesting use of the word ‘we’, isn’t it, considering that there are no Ukrainians on the panel. I wonder what they’ll decide.

How Do We End the War in #Ukraine?

One of the weirdest aspects of the Tankie left is the way they like to speak on behalf of the oppressed so long as those same oppressed don’t get a word in edgeways.

They’re a relative irrelevance compared the the far more numerous and vicious Pro-Putin outriders on the far right but still…. strange bunch.

To be fair that was the message from Ukraine itself for a while. The Ukrainian government were getting a bit frustrated about the western politicians and media suddenly taking Putin’s threats to invade at face value and talking up a conflict when from a Ukrainian perspective the sabre rattling wasn’t any different to the threats Ukraine has been facing year in year out.

A few months before perhaps. I was thinking more about the immediate pre-invasion period where the huge troop concentrations along the border were way beyond any exercise or sabre rattling.  When we and the US has taken the unprecedented step of releasing sensitive intelligence showing exactly what the Russians were doing and saying loud and clear ‘it’s really going to happen’.

BREAKING:

Deputies in 18 districts of Moscow and St Petersburg have signed a statement demanding that Putin resign.

"President Putin's actions are detrimental to the future of Russia and its citizens."#Putin #UkraineRussianWar #Russia pic.twitter.com/JtB4mmq9xB

— WhereisRussiaToday (@WhereisRussia) September 12, 2022

same oppressed don’t get a word in edgeways

As a past supporter of Stop the War, and an admirer of Brian Eno’s speeches, articles, interviews… anything where he gets to talk on and around a difficult topic… his pronouncements about what has been happening (on behalf of STW and in a personal capacity) have been notable for hardly mentioning the people of Ukraine… I find it all quite depressing and disheartening.

You really make a fool of yourself.. learn to read and understand whats written in context before spouting of like a fool

🤷🏻 Thank you for your elaboration and clarification there.

Yeah Kelvin. You look a right mug now. Blimey.

No way can we and Europe allow the current gas issue to continue for more than 5 more months before we see a change of heart …

Posted 47 minutes ago

Really?

Yeah Kelvin. You look a right mug now. Blimey.

Whats new?🤣🙃🙄

Fair TJ. Fair. 🤣

Deputies in 18 districts of Moscow and St Petersburg have signed a statement demanding that Putin resign. “President Putin’s actions are detrimental to the future of Russia and its citizens.”

I suspect this is why there has been no general mobilization of Russian troops.  He still needs someone at home to keep things under control

Once we all sink into a long winter and see the fall out of the cost to keep warm and even survive etc .Its not that hard to see some peoples Moral compasses will change and they will revert to “me first ” .Add in maybe losing work income etc and Things change .No one though it would last this long and unless Putin is removed from within Russia . very little will stop him sacrificing it all just to make a point .He has that mind set . This will carry on until someone kills him .The chances of him hanging up his coat in almost zero chance . Far too many in Russia eat from his table and know the danger of speaking out .So the current (today) claim that top officials are asking him to retire is going to be answered very quickly .

All Dictators think they are invincible – until they aren’t.

Well, looks like it wasn’t the Belgorovka that I thought after all. Perhaps this is why I am not a military general

https://twitter.com/wartranslated/status/1569350893958471681/photo/3

Deputies in 18 districts of Moscow and St Petersburg have signed a statement demanding that Putin resign.

“President Putin’s actions are detrimental to the future of Russia and its citizens.”

Now that seems a BIG change of events in Russia.

If ‘regime change’ occurs, will the successor pull troops out?

You really make a fool of yourself.. learn to read and understand whats written in context before spouting of like a fool

Interesting phrasing. Just out of interest, is English your first language?

Not having a go. You don’t come across as illiterate but, like I said, interesting use of grammar and punctuation.

Are you Indian, Chinese, or French, by any chance?

Spokesperson of Operation command "South": some Russian units at Kherson frontline negotiating surrendering their weapons https://t.co/D40oCLvH9n pic.twitter.com/klZTpyZ3Xl

— Liveuamap (@Liveuamap) September 12, 2022

Just Posh

Once we all sink into a long winter and see the fall out of the cost to keep warm and even survive etc .Its not that hard to see some peoples Moral compasses will change and they will revert to “me first ” .Add in maybe losing work income etc and Things change .No one though it would last this long and unless Putin is removed from within Russia . very little will stop him sacrificing it all just to make a point .He has that mind set . This will carry on until someone kills him .The chances of him hanging up his coat in almost zero chance . Far too many in Russia eat from his table and know the danger of speaking out .So the current (today) claim that top officials are asking him to retire is going to be answered very quickly .

Was this written by a bot?

ok…would you allow 40% of your wages to be taken in order to fund the Ukraine war against Russia etc ? How about 30% , maybe even 10% . I can guarantee you , all the virtue signalling going on can soon change once reality starts playing with family , income , work and business etc . If Russia keeps up this for long we are going to see a real mess and mess that really started at home years ago when we sold off and closed our ability to produce our own power and invest in nuclear power. If we had done this 20 years ago. we would be in a stronger position . We made ourselves weak and Now Putin is taking advantage . He knows the chances of a real War with nato etc is slim .

If Putin was powerful enough he would have mobilised months ago

A harsh winter will be very tough in Europe with this energy crisis but , I don’t believe people will stop supporting Ukraine

Nor need the increased cost of gas on the open market mean the public paying hugely more. In tory Britain yes but the rest of Europe?

I smell bot.  Strange syntax, not answering questions put to ‘it’, spouting pre prepared statements and stats.  We’ve had this before on the forum.

https://www.trtworld.com/magazine/gas-wars-which-eu-countries-will-be-most-affected-59496

If gas is short then other fuels are in demand and that means paying more for it .Domino effect

TRTWorld – not the most reliable/unbiased source. Wonder what the next reaction will be?

We made ourselves weak and Now Putin is taking advantage . He knows the chances of a real War with nato etc is slim .

We have green energy to sustain / keep us alive don’t you know? (quickly sneak out to buy some hot water bottle, extra wool jumpers, stock up some charcoal and ready me BBQ stoves for cooking, and prepare for the preppers lifestyle).

This will be a very cold winter.

Energy plants, fuel supply, infrastructure etc are all targets in all warfare.

If gas is short then other fuels are in demand and that means paying more for it .Domino effect

Yes, there is no way to escape the domino effect.

I counted that it will probably cost me £3 to £5/hr to switch on my central heating at the current gas rate.

Energy plants, fuel supply, infrastructure etc are all targets in all warfare.

Not entirely true. But as Putin is not following the laws of war, in this case for him they’re fair game.

Some analysis of what the recent collapse in the Russian defense means for Putin:

BBC News – Ukraine war: What will Russia’s losses mean for Putin?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-62879367

Not entirely true. But as Putin is not following the laws of war, in this case for him they’re fair game.

Oh ya … communication system as well.

In war only the winner(s) set the law.
Law of war is meaningless if you don’t have the weapons to back it up. e.g. Japanese army butchered so many in South East Asia/China but nobody was able to stop them until Fat Boy arrived. Historically, the “great” Khan would wipe out the male population of the city but nobody could stop them.
Defeat the enemy(s) and you can dictate whatever law you wish.

Alright big man I’ll bow to your superior knowledge. 🙄

It’s like busses isn’t it, been ages since we had a pet troll on here, and suddenly, there’s two of em 🤷‍♂️🤦🏻‍♂️

Don’t feed em, folks!

It’s like busses isn’t it, been ages since we had a pet troll on here, and suddenly, there’s two of em

Tell me how you are going to prevent or to stop Russia?

Use guerrilla tactics? They too can deploy that.

Big bombs? They have that too.

Sanctions? They are more or less self sufficient.

The combined NATO force is about 3 to 5 times more than Russia at the moment if I can recall … they can always match to Moscow in winter.

would you allow 40% of your wages to be taken in order to fund the Ukraine war against Russia etc

If the alternative is seeing Putin come after the Baltic states, Poland, Finland, yes, I’ll pay to prevent that, even if I pay more to take some of the load from those less able to afford it.

We may not have boots on the ground but we are in an economic war with Putin. At times of war, governments traditionally spaff billions to ensure a victory, and then pay it off over 70 years or so. I’m not sure why this isn’t being more openly done, but someone will be along to tell me in a minute.

Sanctions? They are more or less self sufficient.

Er, mate, they’re having to buy artillery ammunition from NORTH KOREA, do you think they’d be doing that if they didn’t have to.

Self sufficient my hairy butt cheeks.

Urgh, this kind of ‘Russia-stronk’ nonsense is why I stayed out of this thread in the early days, oh well, it’s been fun.

https://twitter.com/GirkinGirkin/status/1569298704238100482?t=qRyfgAZfdiFg0L0npqdT_g&s=19

Translation (as per a reply on Twitter):

Russian soldier to the other:
Do you want this ( gun)?
**** no.
I don’t need it either. **** this whole shit.

Er, mate, they’re having to buy artillery ammunition from NORTH KOREA, do you think they’d be doing that if they didn’t have to.

Self sufficient my hairy butt cheeks.

Urgh, this kind of ‘Russia-stronk’ nonsense is why I stayed out of this thread in the early days, oh well, it’s been fun.

I don’t know what they are buying from North Korea etc (briefly read this a while back on some news which sounded like the war had already been “won”)

Okay, they are running out of ammunition and they are weak.

Why not just match in to stop them as winter is approaching?

Translation (as per a reply on Twitter):

Russian soldier to the other:
Do you want this ( gun)?
**** no.
I don’t need it either. **** this whole shit.

They don’t look like well trained forces etc … but again that’s Russia forces (as we known them to be) but for some reasons they managed to defeat two major forces in the past.