Tube strikes

Eastern countries etc,,,to places were people are delighted at a chance of a tangible job where previously they really struggled!

Why do you think so many people from the around the world come to Britain? The easy, free availability of heathcare, benefits, education and housing. They can’t get this where they live!

There is nowhere else in the world where you can get everything paid for on benefits without contributing!

Spongebob – you do know that you can’t get benefits until you have lived a year in the UK and contributed for that year unless you come from a country with reciprocal arrangements

Has anyone noticed that Bob Crow and Frank Sobotka appear to have been seperated at birth?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/profile/bob-crow

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Sobotka

TandemJeremy – Member

Spongebob – you do know that you can’t get benefits until you have lived a year in the UK and contributed for that year unless you come from a country with reciprocal arrangements

Really, so a council housing department will turn away a homeless family who have just arrived in the UK? The NHS hospital won’t treat them if they fall ill? For example, how do asylum seekers survive here with no home and no money?

This is getting way off topic! Striking tube workers have no right to close the Tube down for 48 hours in a dispute over pay. They are damn lucky to have jobs, many of which are very well paid for the effort and responsibility demanded of them. People relying on the Tube should not have to put up with the disruption to their lives. Shame on the unions that forced this issue on the workers!

Spongebob – Member

TandemJeremy – Member

For example, how do asylum seekers survive here with no home and no money?

This is the reailty for asylum seekers

Under Section 4 of the 2002 Nationality, Immigration and Asylum Act, failed asylum seekers have had state support withdrawn unless they agree to sign up to return home voluntarily. This applies even to those who cannot be returned because it is unsafe. As a result many asylum seekers, who are often terrified at the prospect of returning home, are being left in a kind of limbo, banned from working yet unable to access benefits.

from http://www.refugee-action.org.uk/campaigns/Destitution.aspx

http://www.allwomencount.net/EWC%20Immigrant/destitute_asylum_seekers.htm

TandemJeremy: “Spongebob – you do know that you can’t get benefits until you have lived a year in the UK and contributed for that year unless you come from a country with reciprocal arrangements “

Unfortunately this is not strictly true. These rules main apply to workers who migrated here from the recent EU succession countries in their first 12 months after arrival.

As an aside, the Polish Government is currently running a campaign to persuade Poles to stay in the UK by making them aware of their benefit entitlements as a ploy to reduce the impact on their own benefit system.

Why do you think so many people from the around the world come to Britain?

Because of the cultural links established when we barged into countless other countries around the world demanding money with menaces ?

Yeah, that might have something to do with it…

As an aside, the Polish Government is currently running a campaign to persuade Poles to stay in the UK by making them aware of their benefit entitlements as a ploy to reduce the impact on their own benefit system.

The Polish women at my missus’s place of work openly admit to coming to Britain so they can have their babies on the NHS as the Polish alternative sucks (not literally!).

trailmonkey – Member

Why do you think so many people from the around the world come to Britain?

Because of the cultural links established when we barged into countless other countries around the world demanding money with menaces ?

So what about the immigrants from the ones we didn’t barge into?

How many hundreds of years do we tax payers have to repay the alleged debt for what the power brokers did many generations ago? Did we bring no benefit to any of those countries?

The notion that we owe everyone from around the world some sort of compensation under these circumstances is nonsense. In fact it’s deranged!

Nobody alive today played any part in it, so I don’t see why we should feel obligated, or apologetic in any way!

The developed world continues to exploit the undeveloped world, it’s called “trade”! Every country has it’s own government who have the opportunity to rectify the wrongs. Shame there are so many corrupt administrations. Well as they repeatedly squander everything they get to help rebuild their countries, they can always blame it on the colonialists of a couple of hundred years ago when they are held to account!

Back to the Tube strike…. 😆

The notion that we owe everyone from around the world some sort of compensation under these circumstances is nonsense. In fact it’s deranged!

All of that is irrelevant. The fact is that the UK as a place to escape crushing poverty is in the psyche of many people around the world as a result of the links created by the British Empire.

How many hundreds of years do we tax payers have to repay the alleged debt for what the power brokers did many generations ago

Nobody alive today played any part in it, so I don’t see why we should feel obligated, or apologetic in any way!

I think you’ll find that the British Empire was very much alive and kicking right up until the end of WWII. If you think that the comparative wealth and privelidge that you enjoy today is unconnected with the events of the British Empire then you’re highly delusional.

I read somewhere, and maybe our resident Frenchman can confim/deny this that when the French underground staff went on strike they all turned up for work, opened the ticket gates and let everyone have free travel for the duration of the strike, hurting the business but not the commuters.

Make more sense than our lots efforts, even if it’s made up!

They used to do that in Holland when I lived there. They got lots of public support and got the attentions of the bosses by hitting them where it hurt the most – in the wallet.

Strikes on the tube today – all I can say is I haven’t even had a RPI pay increase in the past 2 years, I’ve seen my hours increase and actually had my pay cut twice. I have no sympathy for the strikers. Things are tough for everyone.

Shame there are so many corrupt administrations

..that were often installed/supported by the West, to favour Western trade..

Like Saddam Hussein, for example. Augusto Pinochet. Or the recently deceased president of Gabon. And countless others.

Bob Crow has been on the radio, offering to re-open negotiations. So far, TFL jolly well have not responded.

Oh, and quite a few Tube trains were actually running today.

And I notice that some of the reporting of the matter has been less than truthful, and particularly biased against the RMT. Greed and selfishness seem to be taking priority over workers’ rights.

>Bob Crow has been on the radio, offering to re-open negotiations. So far, TFL jolly well have not responded.

LOL – TfL were on CH4 news offering to meet the unions tonight or tomorrow morning. When pressed on the same programme Crow said he’d meet them tonight.

Looks like Boris has played a blinder. The fat **** Crow was tied in knots on C4 news

Could you say that hes a …..scare(D) Crow?

Ah taxi’s here

Average Nurse salaries rose to £27K

Very few ward-based (i.e. doing the grunt work at the bedside) nurses earn anything close to £27k.

What TJ said, plus: a very experienced nurse with outstanding clinical acumen (think senior NCO level, as a rough equivalent) who has chosen not to take up a sister/charge nurse/nurse specialist/NP/management etc role will not be earning a huge amount over and above her/his starting salary (which has indeed improved). The public get bloody good value out of those kind of nurses, believe me.

Not moaning about my salary. Just pointing out, is all.

The nurses salary is a different argument. The NHS is massively mismanaged and bloated at higher “positions” with a staff of over 1.4 million (like that many people are needed 🙄 )

I’m sure all the quangos/shit jobs Nu Labour have created for the voters in their heartlands (the NHS/Govt accounts for 75% of the economy in the North East) could be culled and nurses paid an appropriate rate

We need an age-limit for nurses. 23yrs max. Shorter skirts, scratch that- tighter skirts and heels. If a nurse is over 9stone she has to have a GG-rack. If under 9stone, a min. D-cup will suffice.

Lanesra – the NHS suffers from poor management simply because there are not enough mangers and those there are not skilled enough. The NHS spends less on management than other European nations – in part of course because funding is simpler.

The NHS needs more and better skilled managers

hora – Member

We need an age-limit for nurses. 23yrs max. Shorter skirts, scratch that- tighter skirts and heels. If a nurse is over 9stone she has to have a GG-rack. If under 9stone, a min. D-cup will suffice.

Instead you get no teeth and me. I’ll wear the skirt if that helps tho. I’m sure no teeth would as well

Shave the back of your hands as well. For me 🙂

TJ, which is what I said. Cull all the waste install some proper management, cost savings across the board and maybe a pay rise for the nurses

Dave, will get in next year and right 12 years of Nu Labour failure

Instead you get no teeth and me

Hora, be careful what you wish for… 😈

I typed ‘spitroast’ and images and it came up with this 😕

**** hell Hora, close to the under 16 mark there

Lanesra – really you have no idea. There is no vast number of unneeded people in the NHS. Where do you think these people are? It just ain’t happening as you think.

There are no savings to be made except by cutting services. As for Cameron – pledged to destroy the NHS. He gets in with a mandate then expect teh end of the NHS.

“This is going to hurt, Mr Hora”

Guys, I only knew one nurse. Gawd she was dirty. She must have filled every mans-stereotype. Bet shes shagged out by now. 8)

How does the NHS need 1.4 million+ people working within it? Doesn’t happen in the real world

TJ if you ever get hora under your care, can you please make sure the broom accidentally get sutck up his fat lardy ass?
Or anything else you have under your hand will do though…
Can I ask everyone that have taken a pay cut bla bla bla why did they not went on strike? Why did they not change job?

Oh and griz, please give back trailmonkey password please

Because that how many people it takes to run it. The ration of Shop floor to managers is low in comparison to most healthcare systems. The NHS cost less per person than most of Europe’s healthcare and half of what the USA does which is not comprehensive

2003 figures – UK has increase as a % of gdp to around 9 but others have increased as well

TJ NHS cost less because you get less care too.
I have been on both side off the channel and health care is one thing I wasn’t very happy with UK…

Yup – indeed that is true – you get what you pay for and we don’t pay very much.

I’ll look out for Hora coming under my care. I do specialise in Dementia care so it might be sson

It does not take 1.4 million people to run/work within an organisation which has a (maximum) customer base of 60 million people.

I should imagine at most times the number of workers within the NHS outnumber the patients by (at least) 5-1.

You seem good at throwing up random bar charts maybe you can find one on that?

ok I’ll paypal yyou a beer and the price of a big big stick…
make sure you stuff it very deep inside so you jam his brain and the world will be free off the shite going out of it

Lanesra – no matter how you wish it the position is we have that many staff because that is what is needed. Staff costs are around half of total healthcare costs. Other countries spend more on healthcare ‘cos they have more staff. saleries is where the money goes.

Juan, I love you man. 😈

Again, how does the NHS need 1.4 million+ staff (not taking away the good work the 10% do). It’s a stupid amount of people to work in one orginisation