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Tottenham Riots
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TurnerGuyFree Member
I say send Teresa May out on the streets, that’s distract a lot of them…
TandemJeremyFree MemberSo enfit and the others who hate my / elfs/ Ernies analysis two questions.
1) why has this happened?
2) how to prevent it happening again?DT78Free MemberPersonnally I find the behaviour I’m seeing on the box appalling. No matter what state I was in financially I would never think it was ok to go rob and set things on fire.
Something seriously broken in these peoples minds if they think in any way it is a political protest – as they are hurting their own communities.
Lowlifes.
I have no solution. Maybe national service to try and teach them some discipline and respect!?
j_meFree Member1) why has this happened?
2) how to prevent it happening again?I don’t know I’m too far removed from the situation, to understand or to be so bold as to judge
I therefore can’t answer;..2Can you..?
Psx I dont hate
iDaveFree MemberPersonnally I find the behaviour I’m seeing on the box appalling. No matter what state I was in financially I would never think it was ok to go
rob and set things on firebe bailed out for utter failure, then rewarded with huge bonuses. And now be threatened with tax cuts.Something seriously broken in these peoples minds if they think in any way it is a
political protestdecent way to behave – as they arehurtingsmug in their own communities.Lowlifes.
I have no solution. Maybe national service to try and teach them some discipline and respect!?
KT1973Free MemberThe earthquake in Japan recently caused much greater suffering and displaced thousands yet there was no looting.
Hurricane Katrina caused similar damage and had widespread looting in New Orleans.
London and in other cities is seeing similar problems to New Orleans.
What have the japanese got right that we in the west got wrong?
Respect? Discipline? Sense of community spirit? FFS even the yakuza helped to deliver aid to the needy.
It’s not because they are poor neglected and needy. They are disrespectful, thieving, opportunistic, lazy, selfish, greedy bastards.derek_starshipFree MemberShock and Hora will resolve this current unrest 😛
Flashbangs optional.
DT78Free Membererm, not sure if that is some attempt to dig at me? I don’t agree with the whole banking bonus situation either.
CaptainFlashheartFree MemberDT78 – Member
erm, not sure if that is some attempt to dig at me? I don’t agree with the whole banking bonus situation either.No, I think it’s just the usual cheap retort of “bashabanker”. It’s very now, don’t you know?
horaFree MemberI really can’t say what I want to say. I just can’t.
You want to be butt-**** by me in every conceivable position? Spit it out man.
TooTallFree MemberIf anyone thinks this situation has only come about since the last general election, they are further off the plot than the usual suspects around these parts.
Too few resources that haven’t been well enough applied across all social, educational and policing sectors. Too much statistic and target chasing by those sectors has led to where we are now.
That and too many people who believe the definition of ‘parenting’ stops after the physical act required to initiate children.
enfhtFree MemberSo enfit and the others who hate my / elfs/ Ernies analysis two questions
1) why has this happened?
2) how to prevent it happening again?1 – Ernie is a marxist, he just stops typing before his true solutions are expressed
2 – I don’t think anyone yet has a solution to prevent this happening again, but a good starting point would involve rubber bullets, long prison sentences and heavier policing. However I don’t see how this justifies RudeFred’s ludicrous nonsense
HounsFull MemberOn the plus side, Kate Silverton is looking rather nice on the news right now
horaFree MemberI’d also provide Baby oil and some nice Baileys for us to drink.
MSPFull MemberThe earthquake in Japan recently caused much greater suffering and displaced thousands yet there was no looting.
Hurricane Katrina caused similar damage and had widespread looting in New Orleans.
London and in other cities is seeing similar problems to New Orleans.
What have the japanese got right that we in the west got wrong?
Respect? Discipline? Sense of community spirit? FFS even the yakuza helped to deliver aid to the needy.
It’s not because they are poor neglected and needy. They are disrespectful, thieving, opportunistic, lazy, selfish, greedy bastards.Japanese society may be different, but you can also buy schoolgirls panties from vending machines? and they actually gloss over a lot of the crime and depravity in the country, the homelessness and the suicide rates are much higher than the UK.
And lets not forget that hurricane katrina was a very different disaster the the earthquake and tsunami that hit Japan, there was nothing left to loot in Japan.DenDennisFree MemberTandemJeremy – Member
goes back a lot longer TSY – as in the two posts I quoted from Ernie and Elf. We as a society have created an underclass of dienfranchised and alienated youth. See the quotes below.
So – solutions? Redistribution of wealth, end to the deliberate policy of creating a large pool of unemployed, thus a return to (nearly) full employment. Sensible drug laws, reform of the Met, investment in education.
Investment in social work / youth work.
and of course now – regain control of the streets calmly and methodically by using appropriate force by the police.
Still the most sensible stuff posted on here about the riots and how our society got so fracured as to allow this to happen. In order to heal we first must diagnose what went wrong.
So its clear you’re suggesting that the government that presided over years of these yoot’s upbringings have casued it due to their policies.
Live on benefits, its easier than working and you get as much, if not more pay, especially if you have a few kids.ELF
Truth is that increasing numbers of people just don’t care any more, about their society, their community, and worst of all, themselves.Very true. If you get something for nothing you don’t value it.
DT78Free MemberAh ok.
I would be interested to know if anyone (policitican/police/religious leader) has or will have the balls to spoke about the factual demographic of the rioters / protesters.
Racy subject I know….
KlunkFree Membershopkeepers in Wellingborough and Kettering have been told to lock up and get out by the police, kick off @ 2.00 pm
muppetWranglerFree MemberI’m finding myself falling into a murky middle ground reaction here of agreeing with the rubber bullet water cannon CS gas approach in the short term but aligning myself with the TJ/Ernie/Elf approach in the mid to longer term. I guess it’s a bit of a tread softly but carry a big stick mentality.
I don’t think deploying the army would be a good idea, partially as we don’t really want the government to have mandate to impose martial law for future events. This should stay a Police matter. but also the army have spent the last few years working in an extremely hostile environment and the mental adjustment required to dealing with a domestic situation requiring less lethal responses would be likely be difficult to manage.
As for National service. Every time I’ve seen a response from the services on this it’s pretty negative. Don’t really see that we should expect to have professional armed forces and expect them to also be triple up as social workers and Prison guards.
Having followed this thread from the start I don’t believe many people have been apologists for the actions of the looters. The non reactionary views are generally put forward as an attempt to understand the factors that lead to these events and not to excuse them. Understand and minimise the contributing factors and you minimise the likelihood of it happening repeatedly in the future.
Is it cheaper and less destructive to society to wait for the crimes to happen then deal with the perpetrators or to try and change our society so that such events don’t happen, at least not on the scale that we have seen for the last three nights?
grantusFree MemberKT1973 – summed up perfectly.
Rudy Giuliani’s ‘cop on every corner’ is what is needed in problem areas. How do you pay for that though?
oldgitFree MemberNo way to National Service, I’d have never wanted these dimwits backing me up.
Just an idea on the suitable punishment front….here goes. Prisons no answer as it’s be said they just wouldn’t care. It’s also been said they have nothing to loose (which isn’t true) so punishment would mean taking something tangible away from them. And one thing that must be said of these people is that they are very image consious. So is that something that could be taken from them? and would it matter to them?
With community service they seem to be kept out of site, what about putting them right back into sight and stripped of identity. I suppose like a version of the stocks, but human rights compatable.
Good God I am Mr Daily Mail….and there’s more! Everywhere I go I see mess and sometimes I think there’s a whole workforce on hand that could sort it for free, wether they liked it or not.
I don’t know, not one single thing works for everyone. Some folk might bite your hand off for a chance, others would probably turn down a job for life and take a pair of new trainers instead. Everything works in degrees, but wholesale changes for good don’t.ElfinsafetyFree MemberThe earthquake in Japan recently caused much greater suffering and displaced thousands yet there was no looting.
Although the looting was on a far smaller scale, according to reports.
Interesting point though; what is the mentality that drives people to loot stuff?
Yes, greed is at the core of it, but we should be looking at why people are so greedy? In Africa and New Orleans, I spose most of the looting is driven by a need to secure some sort of capital, in order to have a modicum of economic power. Quite understandable in a ‘survival’ situation.
The looting here seems to be driven by greed and a ‘must have shiny thing’ mindset. But it’s all about degrees of things; how many on here are in debt with their credit cards etc, for stuff they don’t really need? Why not wait until you have the money before you spend it? And how many will fiddle their tax, or buy something from abroad and avoid paying import duty, etc?
And I think there’s a woeful lack of actual knowledge and experience of situations where mass hysteria takes place. Not condoning the actions of the looters, but it’s very very easy to get caught up in the heat of the moment, and do stuff you normally woon’t.
Too many people on here just not interested in trying to understand, as that takes more brain work than simply jerking yer knee and spouting all sorts of what is ultimately defensive vitriol.
Y’know, you’re not actually all that different to those doing stuff you find abhorrent, really. As unpleasant and uncomfortable an idea that may be. You work hard to disassociate yourself from those you see as somehow inferior to you, but we’re all Human, there’s no escaping that.
Interesting that many of those calling for harsh action against the rioters are the same that claim they would willingly break the Law themselves if someone broke into their home, stole their bike, etc….
TandemJeremyFree MemberSo its clear you’re suggesting that the government that presided over years of these yoot’s upbringings have casued it due to their policies.
Yu what?
I suggest it goes back to the late 70s and the last Tory government – the created the mass unemployment as a deliberate policy and then removed much of the support system. A generation or two later we reap the reward of a completely alienated and disenfranchised part of the population. complicity goes to every government since then although labour did make some vague attempts to alleviate the situation.
Live on benefits, its easier than working and you get as much, if not more pay, especially if you have a few kids.
what sort of fantasy world do you live in. Do you know what benefit rates are?
iDaveFree MemberCHF – simply pointing out that being rude and crass, arrogant and above the law, dismissive towards the majority, rewarded by tax payers for failure, taught to work the system for their own gain, and being admired by peers for flaunting material possessions are not traits and behaviors confined to rioting youth.
djgloverFree MemberHaving seen some of the kids arriving in Ealing last night and walking down my street, my assumption is that the perpetrators there were
Of school, or school leaving age, from out of the area, didn’t look particularly poor.
Just opportunistic criminal activity driven by the right weather conditions and having nothing else to do.
Sure there maybe some disaffected youth in Tottenham, and there are poor pockets in Ealing, and they may have been dragged into it, but in the main this is just ****ts who need to be hit over the head by a copper with a big stick ASAP
enfhtFree Memberas that takes more brain work than simply jerking yer knee
Typical defense RudeFred, shout abouse when you have nothing credible
Move along before I arrest you for obstruction
j_meFree MemberOk so Now answer question 2 TJ,
(I don’t think you’re 100% right onq1)horaFree MemberDo you know what benefit rates are?
They are more than what you think they are (IF you are a single female parent).
TandemJeremyFree MemberI did J_me
TandemJeremy
So – solutions? Redistribution of wealth, end to the deliberate policy of creating a large pool of unemployed, thus a return to (nearly) full employment. Sensible drug laws, reform of the Met, investment in education.
Investment in social work / youth work.
and of course now – regain control of the streets calmly and methodically by using appropriate force by the police.
ElfinsafetyFree MemberDo you know what benefit rates are?
They are more than what you think they are (IF you are a single female parent).
You’re trolling, aren’t you Hora?
Nobody can be that thick…
horaFree MemberElfin I’m guessing her fella is a Pirate?
(is that going to make Elfin cry with anger and get me banned again for upsetting a village idiot?)
😆
ElfinsafetyFree MemberTypical defense RudeFred, shout abouse when you have nothing credible
Not credible to you perhaps, but maybe a little more credible than your made-up stories about what your colleague’s mum’s friend’s uncle’s mate saw…
Don’t see where the ‘abuse’ is though. Maybe you’re just uncomfortable with the truth?
clubberFree MemberMy sister shared a tube carriage with some blokes on their way to do some looting last night – pretty clear that’s what they were doing as they were heading that way, wearing hoodies, had scarves/things to hide their faces oh and they were quite openly talking about the fact that’s what they were going to do…
Commuting to looting… only in London.
Strikes me that the protesting/rioting and the looting are very different things.
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