This Obesity Thing

*waits for someone to tell me CFS is a made-up condition*

I always thought ME was medical shorthand for ‘go away and stop bothering us’. You’re doing well, grum.

I have a question, when ever I have seen those ‘the only way I can lose weight is to have a gastric band fitted’ type programmes the doc’s say ok you need to lose x amount of kg to make the surgery less of a risk……the person who wants the surgery alway’s manages to shed the weight through diet/exercise to get to the weight required. Does this not then dispel the I need surgery excuse?

I would rather be fat than have a personality like yours.

Think you may have missed the sarcasm there. 🙂

Think you may have missed the sarcasm there.

apparently so. Perhaps a 😉 may help people like me not miss it again 😉

I was talking about the majority of fat people. You’re not in that majority grum. You’re defending them from one of the minorities who are fat for reasons other than being lazy.

I was talking about the majority of fat people.

No, you’re talking about your assumptions and prejudices.

MrSmith,

going back to your “freebie” work for those sufferers of pancreatic cancer you were masturbating about yesterday on your attention seeking orgy…

Did you individually interview each of them and ask what their lifestyle choices had been before they were struck down with an illness that garnered a bit of your precious sympathy? Did any of them over-consume red meat during their lives? Did any of them smoke, just a little bit when they were younger (it only takes a small amount to cause a DNA mutation that may lead to cancer later in life)? Did any of them “choose” to take up a career where they’d exposed themselves to carcinogens that may have led to them now suffering with cancer? If they’d answered yes to any of those questions, would you have told them to **** off, they were only getting what they deserved? I doubt you would to be honest…you don’t seem the type to actually have the courage of your convictions to do something like that. It’s easier to beat yourself off thinking of increasingly crass things to say on STW.

bernard – Member
I have a question, when ever I have seen those ‘the only way I can lose weight is to have a gastric band fitted’ type programmes the doc’s say ok you need to lose x amount of kg to make the surgery less of a risk……the person who wants the surgery alway’s manages to shed the weight through diet/exercise to get to the weight required. Does this not then dispel the I need surgery excuse?

by the time youve reached gastric band levels youre satiety, blood sugar etc hormones are so messed up that long term weight loss by any other means is virtually impossible

part of the problem is that dieting permanently alters certain hormone levels

some interesting reading here

http://www.ucl.ac.uk/news/news-articles/0713/15072013-How-obesity-gene-triggers-weight-gain-Batterham

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21474429

I dont assume an individual has got fat from being lazy miketually

I’m not assuming laziness on an individual basis I’m stating it as a general cause.

As I said in my first post I’m judged in a similar way without people knowing a thing about me but I have enough about me to see that the generalisation is true.

We have sedentary lifestyles our bodies were not made for (myself included – desk job, baaaahhh)we drive everywhere instead of walking, our kids don’t play out because we perceive it not to be safe (and in some places it probably isn’t) so they are scheduled to the hilt and driven to clubs and activities rather than making their own fun.

Our shopping centres are out of town, we have all but killed local shops in a lot of places, so we have to drive to the supermarkets, where we wander like zombies and are bombarded with adverts for unhealthy foods. The unhealthy foods are cheaper, at least in the supermarkets, so that’s what people buy if they haven’t got a lot of money.

People are stuck working long hours (unpaid overtime the norm in most places I’ve worked, bar one or two – presenteeism rules) and barely have the energy or inclination to cook a meal from scratch or go to the gym or be active.

I am currently contracting for a major UK retailer, where people get paid, and then they pour their money back to their employer via the canteen, on site shops, and via the discount scheme that allows them to go buy their mass produced rubbish for slightly less. The whole system is set to benefit them, not us! When are we going to wake up to it, those with the power and the money love obesity and our general habits of overconsumption – it makes them money, which is what they live for! They sell us convenience, that’s what we need, because the majority of our time is spent wage slaving for them, so we don’t have time to grow, prepare and cook things. They stole our time and independence from us and gave us the ready meal in return.

If we want to resist obesity, then we need to resist the pull of mass marketing, we need to resist cultural homogenisation, and mass consumer culture. Start resisting these things, start looking for and posing alternatives to lining the pockets of big businesses who get rich from our misery and poor health. And I can tell you from the trenches, that is exactly how they get rich. And our governments allow them to do this whilst simultaneously blaming the individual for their every misfortune, whether that might be having the temerity to be unemployed or sick and need benefits, or getting too fat and being a drain on the NHS. This is the government of the scapegoat and witch hunt. This is the government that encourages us to hate each other, compete with each other, but trust and rely on the ruthless profiteers of big private enterprise. Co-operation is the enemy of this society. We are out for ourselves, pushing our lonely trolleys round the aisles in the supermarkets, filling ourselves with sugar and fat instead of love, companionship and social cohesion, we would rather hoard our bread than break it with our neighbours. No wonder we are all fat, miserable and lonely.

DD do you really expect me to indulge you?
Leave your penis alone if you keep doing that it gives you cancer.

littlemisspanda, fat, happy and married if you don’t mind love…. 😆

you don’t seem the type to actually have the courage of your convictions to do something like that. It’s easier to beat yourself off thinking of increasingly crass things to say on STW.

Leave your penis alone if you keep doing that it gives you cancer.

Apparently so.

I’m not normally in to metaphorical nosh offs, but DD deserves one for this bit of inspired put-downism. Well done nom nom.

MrSmith,

going back to your “freebie” work for those sufferers of pancreatic cancer you were masturbating about yesterday on your attention seeking orgy…

Did you individually interview each of them and ask what their lifestyle choices had been before they were struck down with an illness that garnered a bit of your precious sympathy? Did any of them over-consume red meat during their lives? Did any of them smoke, just a little bit when they were younger (it only takes a small amount to cause a DNA mutation that may lead to cancer later in life)? Did any of them “choose” to take up a career where they’d exposed themselves to carcinogens that may have led to them now suffering with cancer? If they’d answered yes to any of those questions, would you have told them to **** off, they were only getting what they deserved? I doubt you would to be honest…you don’t seem the type to actually have the courage of your convictions to do something like that. It’s easier to beat yourself off thinking of increasingly crass things to say on STW.

DD do you really expect me to indulge you?

Yes, it was a bit much to hope for. Sorry if you’ve suddenly gone flaccid…it happens to a lot of guys…you’re not alone.

There’s a big difference between hereditary disease or just plain bad luck where there is very little in the way of reducing the odds of succumbing to an illness and eating too much crap food/being a couch potato.
But hey don’t let that get in the way of winning on the Internet.

Yes, it was a bit much to hope for. Sorry if you’ve suddenly gone flaccid…it happens to a lot of guys…you’re not alone.

You still have a boner for me though, it’s obvious. 😳

You still have a boner for me though, it’s obvious.

I did, until I found out in another of your revelations, that you’re a lanky string of shite.

If we want to resist obesity, then we need to resist the pull of mass marketing, we need to resist cultural homogenisation, and mass consumer culture. Start resisting these things, start looking for and posing alternatives to lining the pockets of big businesses who get rich from our misery and poor health. And I can tell you from the trenches, that is exactly how they get rich. And our governments allow them to do this whilst simultaneously blaming the individual for their every misfortune, whether that might be having the temerity to be unemployed or sick and need benefits, or getting too fat and being a drain on the NHS. This is the government of the scapegoat and witch hunt. This is the government that encourages us to hate each other, compete with each other, but trust and rely on the ruthless profiteers of big private enterprise. Co-operation is the enemy of this society. We are out for ourselves, pushing our lonely trolleys round the aisles in the supermarkets, filling ourselves with sugar and fat instead of love, companionship and social cohesion, we would rather hoard our bread than break it with our neighbours. No wonder we are all fat, miserable and lonely

Quite nicely put I thought.

I did, until I found out in another of your revelations, that you’re a lanky string of shite

As you interest has been piqued BMI just about gets into the normal healthy range and I do have a 29in waist.
Not really interested in your weight though.

+1 littlemisspanda

Surely time to close this thread though mods? ‘Tis getting a bit personal on the attack front.

In afore the lock as others put it?

EDIT: sneaky filter usage there… 😀

littlemisspanda, fat, happy and married if you don’t mind love….

Glad to hear it ton 😀

Interesting thread, I don’t know what the answer is. The average lifestyle definitely doesn’t help, combined with food that perhaps isn’t particularly healthy either.

I’m forced to work 40 hours a week, why would I then want to spend time exercising afterwards?!?!

There’s the mental illness side of it that has been alluded to by quite a few on here aswell, so it’s not as simple as some of the nuggets are making it out to be.

Also, peoples perceptions of what is overweight. I got weighed at the doctors last week and as I was stepping on the scales she said something along the lines of “there’s not much to you, we don’t want you losing any weight”. Turns out I’m 85kg which is at the upper end of “healthy” on the BMI scale, if I put on two or three kg’s I’d probably be overweight.

Perhaps DD and MrS might get together…

There’s something vaguely familiar, whofting about this thread, ever since its begining……
😐

I wish TSY was here 🙁

…oh, and obligatory:

Quite nicely put I thought.

+1.

BMI doesn’t matter. it probably is a good measure for endurance sports, but only by chance. My BMI indicates that i’m on the verge of morbid obesity, but bodyfat measurement says i’m in above average health. I had a check up and the doc said I was in great health.

if your 85 kg and have some muscle, BMI will not take the muscle into account. get a fat caliper and measure fat percent. Getting under 5-7% is only possible if your trying for that, and it’s hard to maintain. The doctor probably means that getting lower weight means you’ll have to reduce muscle mass, or go into a unhealthy or unmaintainable bodyfat percentage. neither of which doctors would recommend.

Pro endurance athletes (primarly in biking and running) let the muscles in their arms wear away to reduce muscle mass, then on top of that get down to under 5% BF to competition (peaking). This is why wiggens, froom look like aliens with those horrible long spegetti arms.

So in summary:

Eating Unhealthily – Easy and cheap
Eating Healthy – “Hard” (it’s not though is it) and expensive.
Exercising – Unpleasant (unless you like it)
Sitting on the couch – Pleasant
Reading labels – Easy
Interpreting Label information – Bit tricky (“I thought fat was bad?”) but with a modicum of intelligence completely possible.
Giving a fat person a hug and saying “There there and have a pamphlet” – allowed.
Giving a fat person a severe talking to and making them aware that in no uncertain terms that they are killing themselves – frowned upon
Driving to work/school – the norm.
Riding/walking to work/school – frowned upon, you might get hit by a car!

Not massively surprising so many people are getting fat is it as the vast majority of people seem to be lazy and stupid.

Oh! One more thing, can we stop using body mass or BMI as measure of “fatness”, they are both fundamentally flawed as they don’t take into account body composition.

I blame processed food but then city lifestyle is a major problem in the developed world. i.e. stress due to work. I think I put on 15kg for the past few years.

As long as you have no health problem then fat is not an issue.

Eating Unhealthily – Easy and cheap
Eating Healthy – Hard(er) when you’ve done a full day’s work, done the chores at home, sorted the kids/pets out, and are hungry and don’t want to get to bed too late so you can get up at silly o’clock in the morning and not want to kill yourself or somebody else. And more expensive.
Exercising – See above. Often gets deprioritised when people have lives that are far too busy having to make enough money to make ends meet, and look after the kids, elderly/sick relatives, or whatever other responsibilities people have that they have to fit around work. (I do make the effort to cook from scratch mostly, but if I want to work a full day, go visit my dad, and do my share of the housework, quite often it’s the exercise that gets sacrificed, over and above cycle commute to work anyway).
Sitting on the couch – sometimes all you can muster the energy to do after doing all of the above
Reading labels – Easy, if you have all the time in the world to shop and don’t have impatient kids tugging at you, or a childminder to relieve, or any other time constraint – have you seen how small they print that stuff?
Interpreting Label information – see above
Giving a fat person a hug and saying “There there and have a pamphlet” – fairly useless.
Giving a fat person a severe talking to and making them aware that in no uncertain terms that they are killing themselves – also fairly useless
Driving to work/school – the norm.
Riding/walking to work/school – frowned upon, you might get hit by a car – how many times do we see stories just on STW about near-misses, accidents etc? Roads built for car drivers, not cyclists, and when people are in such a hurry everywhere, is it any wonder a red light or crossing means little to some people?

I blame processed food but then city lifestyle is a major problem in the developed world. i.e. stress due to work.

Can’t think of anything more stressful than a famine. Surprising they’re not all fat.

Can’t think of anything more stressful than a famine. Surprising they’re not all fat.

Hilarious. 😐

5thElefant – Member

Can’t think of anything more stressful than a famine. Surprising they’re not all fat.

I suppose if you have nothing to eat then you can be stressful too but in the developed world it is the opposite extreme. Too much eating due to stress vice versa. It also doesn’t help when most food are so chemically processed …

when ever i´m back in the UK it takes me afew days to stop pointing out all the fat people to my GF…

sure you get fat people here in Schermany, but there are noticeably fewer of them and they are not the norm.

i can only think of three people who are properly overweight amongst friends and colleagues. all of them are blokes. all of them drink lots (as is the norm in Bavaria) and one of them is English.

my mum is overweight. of her 7 sisters only two of them are not what you you call fat. one of them is seriously overweight, but i recon her fella is a feeder.

yes, the UK is fat.

I wish TSY was here

😉

BMI developed for measuring whole populations not individuals regardless of their genetic hereditary Plus the goal posts were moved about twenty years ago downwards, putting a whole bunch of otherwise healthy people into the slightly overweight or overweight catagories

Can’t be arsed to google it, but its out there .

alpin – Member

yes, the UK is fat.

I have to agree.

when ever i´m back in the UK it takes me afew days to stop pointing out all the fat people to my GF…

sure you get fat people here in Schermany, but there are noticeably fewer of them and they are not the norm.

i can only think of three people who are properly overweight amongst friends and colleagues. all of them are blokes. all of them drink lots (as is the norm in Bavaria) and one of them is English.

my mum is overweight. of her 7 sisters only two of them are not what you you call fat. one of them is seriously overweight, but i recon her fella is a feeder.

yes, the UK is fat.

I thought exactly this while on my European travels over the last 2 summers. How come Western Europe has nowhere near the amount of fatties as the UK?

Oh! One more thing, can we stop using body mass or BMI as measure of “fatness”

No I think we should keep it as it is a straightforward indicator that shows whether or not you need to look into something further. Then you can get the fat calipers out if you like. Complicated messages don’t work which is why people aim for things like traffic light labelling even though there are obvious problems with that as well.