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  • agent007
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    Seems obesity in becoming a big problem (according to the news today). BBC interviewed a lady who was 27 years old and 27 stone 😯

    Now I like my food and beer as much as the next man and as a result I rarely buy crisps or biscuits, because if I open them I’ll find it impossible not to eat the whole pack, yet thankfully I also do plenty of sports which burns off the calories quite nicely. Because I do sports then I also have an added incentive to keep my weight down, otherwise if I don’t I’m going to struggle like hell to keep up with the hard tail whippets.

    The woman on TV said, I’ve tried this diet, that diet etc and nothing works but never once did she mention, I’ve tried swimming, cycling etc. It struck me that many people who are obese don’t seem to have any interest in much else outside of watching telly, so naturally it’s going to be really difficult for them to get the motivation they need to loose the weight and I don’t blame them.

    So surely rather than GP’s sending people to dieticians, to weigh loss clinics etc, would not a better way be to find a sport that they enjoy (surely there’s a sport for everyone)? That way maybe the motivation to loose weight will develop?

    Oh and before anyone says, darts doesn’t count as a sport – well not for the purposes of this anyway!

    Premier Icon geoffj
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    If people are crap at sports they won’t partake in them. Being crap at sport is usually a hand / eye coordination / balance thing so if you are shit at football you’re likely to be shit at tennis/rugby/basketball. It’ snot much fun being picked last every time.
    My eldest has unfortunately inherited my lack of balance / hand eye coordination / general shitness at most ball sports, but thankfully has inherited mrs J’s endurance / cardiovascular greatness and is currently revelling in out running all the little bastards that have made football practice a less than enjoyable experience over the past few years.
    I’ve no chance of keeping up with him on the bike/ hill now 😀

    jon1973
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    Exercise helps, but it’s what you eat that makes you fat. If you’re stuffing yourself with crisps and chocolate all day then running on a treadmill for 20 minutes isn’t really going to make much difference.

    Premier Icon postierich
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    Its alarming I,m getting very fattist!!! in trouble with the wife for commenting on her overweight friends FB posts about dieting! Told them all to buy a bike or do something else that watching crap factor/voice/splash!

    saxabar
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    I saw that article too – very sad. She came across as bright, knew the rational arguments, but in a deeply negative spiral. Clearly ‘addiction’ is difficult to apply in this context, but given that all of us are prone to irrational behaviour of varying extents, she has my sympathy.

    Houns
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    She came across to me as that she now thought it was someone else’s job to help her lose the weight

    NO ITS NOT, STOP SHOVING FOOD IN YOUR GOB AND DO SOME EXERCISE!

    thegreatape
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    Fat people are harder to kidnap though.

    loum
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    Not sure exercise is always the answer.
    It makes people hungry and tires them out.
    Not ideal for someone who eats crap and already struggles to get off the sofa.

    Premier Icon bigblackshed
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    Someone who is 27 stone is going to struggle to do any sport. Moving more also presents difficulties for someone that weight. It’s not a case of simply exercising more, although any extra activity will be potentially beneficial.

    Exercise purely as a weight loss tool does not work. It has to be combined with a change in diet to be effective. When someone has a weight problem of that magnitude then the underlying motivation to eat that much is as much akin to drug addiction or alcoholism.

    Premier Icon cinnamon_girl
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    Some nasty posts. 😐

    wordnumb
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    Thought this was going to be about fat bikes.

    I blame Nigella Lawson [/current affairs].

    For most people sport/gym is not going to do the job on its own. For an unfit person It is only going to burn a couple of thousand calories a week if you are lucky, which can be easily undone with a packet or two of hobnobs. People need to be more active in all aspects of their life. This needs to be combined with going down different aisles in the supermarket. Buying ingredients rather than energy dense and sugary prepared foods. It does not need to cost a lot or take much time to cook.

    I find it a bit odd though. You can’t turn on the tv without a program about fat people. people seem to get off on feeling a bit smug that we are not quite as fat as the people on TV. Ok it costs the NHS a lot of money, but so do plenty of other things.

    vickypea
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    I think the increase in obesity must have some link to the reduction in general levels of everyday activity, like walking to school, walking to the shops, etc.

    Moses
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    It’s strange how obesity lags the amount of sugars / sugar analogues in our diet, but the diet industry primarily tries to get us to cut obvious fats.
    I can see the day when sugar is taxed like fags are, if the government has any spine.

    Premier Icon ampthill
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    It looks like curing obesity is the new “managing the England Football Team”

    I saw an interview with a dietitian who specialized in these areas. She was shocked when she found out how hard it was for some people to stop eating

    As I understand it most medical advice on weight loss includes increasing excercise

    http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/weight-loss-guide/Pages/losing-weight-getting-started.aspx

    toys19
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    I can see the day when sugar is taxed like fags are, if the government has any spine

    Indeed, and being fattist will be as bad as being racists. People need to get it into their smug, self congratulatory, fat headed, skulls that it is a disease.

    Premier Icon kimbers
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    well im getting fatter!
    but im a ways off 27 stone

    definately has to come from the government, partly education, partly regulation,

    sadly this lot rolled over on trafficlight system for food labelling, plain fag packets, minimum alcohol pricing, letting academies ignore vending machine bans etc
    all under pressure from industry lobbying

    Premier Icon totalshell
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    there is no penalty for been obese other than an early death and we all think that we ll dodge that bullet with the same mindset that we re all better than average drivers.

    at 5 10 105kg im obese and its true at 51 you need a lot less energy yet eat just as much.. and the weight you put on is very difficult/ impossible to shift.

    in real terms i eat very little. coffee and two slices of toast for breakfast, no lunch or a ham butty and i have pizza /ready meal for an evening meal i dont drink or smoke.

    20 years ago i was 11 stone eating like a horse and cycling 50 mile a day
    the biggest impact is the lack of excercise and its a difficult cycle to break.. i m too busy too tired too wrapped up in something else. i often say to myself i m too busy killing myself to try and live a little longer.

    agent007
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    Exercise purely as a weight loss tool does not work

    I agree, but I don’t exercise as a tool to loose weight – I exercise because I enjoy sports that make me exersize, the side effect of that is loosing weight and the motivation to keep fit purely to be good at the sports I enjoy.

    You can’t force someone to exercise but you could introduce them to a sport that’s more fun than sitting on the sofa, that way giving them the motivation to loose weight.

    I’m concerned that today’s kids are not getting into the outdoors enough and prefer to sit using social media on their iPhone’s. Maybe they are not being introduced to a more fun alternative? Maybe they don’t even know that there’s an alternative?

    If people are crap at sports they won’t partake in them. Being crap at sport is usually a hand / eye coordination / balance thing so if you are shit at football you’re likely to be shit at tennis/rugby/basketball. It’ snot much fun being picked last every time

    That sounds exactly like me but I disagree. I dreaded sports lessons in school. I was the worst in the whole year at football by a long shot, the last to be picked and always ended up in goal. Zero foot to ball coordination at all. Yet these days I would say I’m a very competent mountain biker, climber/mountaineer and an expert snowboarder – go figure?

    The trouble was mountain biking, climbing and snowboarding were never even an option in school (it was football, rugby, basketball, athletics or cricket – all of which I was pretty cr*p at) which goes to show that there’s probably a whole range of sports that would suit many people that they are probably not even aware of.

    Premier Icon stumpyjon
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    I think the big problem is everyone sees this as a physical problem, it’s not, it’s a mental issue. People need to change lifestyles, diet is an element of that. Many people who diet have no idea how few calories they need and their idea of normal portions / intake is way out of whack. Many others who diet do get it but because they are dieting, i.e. something different from the norm they put the weight back on after dieting.

    It’s about changing your mind set which is difficult. Don’t really know what the answer is, it’s not about taxing food to death, it won’t work (look at fuel duty, doesn’t stop most people from driving), if it gets to the levels where it will have an effect the poorest will be struggling to afford a balenced diet (nearly everything processed contains sugar).

    Making people accountable for their behaviour may be more pragmatic, restriction of health care etc. but that to is fraught with issues.

    Premier Icon alibongo001
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    This is an interesting topic!

    If you ask someone from Public health (they look after populations rather than individuals), they will tell you that sedentary lifestyle is the second biggest killer (to smoking). Being the couch potato seems to be worse than being overweight, but active.

    The real issue is the impact on the health of people and therefore their consumption of medical services and the cost of these. Something like 10% of UK NHS budgets go on Diabetes (mostly type 2 – the middle aged sedentary one), but the incidence of diabetes is going to double or more in the next 10 years!

    So exercise may not be the (only) answer to being overweight, but it may well prevent disease and cardiovascular events that being overweight expose you to!

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    *pulls up chair and gets out hob nobs*

    Premier Icon MoreCashThanDash
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    *reads thread, puts hob nobs down*

    JCL
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    99% of the time fat people are lazy. Even the ones that blame genetically slow metabolisms etc.

    I can eat whatever I want if I’m riding a lot. As the pro’s say, “if the fire’s burning you can throw anything on”.

    Luckily for me, even when I’m not clocking the K’s, I rarely put on weight where it can be noticed. It usually goes straight on my penis.

    agent007
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    99% of the time fat people are lazy. Even the ones that blame genetically slow metabolisms etc.

    Yes but if this is the case why are they lazy? Is this because no one’s shown them a more fun alternative?

    IanW
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    I hate the word exercise, who wants to exercise, nobody exercised in the 80’s, 70’s or anytime before that(apart from the usual fruitcakes).
    Adults have managed all the movement out of their livse, it started with the remote control and now any occasion that requires effort is seen as an opportunity for some bright spark to make life easier.

    Kids can’t play out because we surrounded by rivers of death, full of drivers who mistake the maximum speed they can drive with the speed limit.

    The food industry has work out it can make food really cheaply out of sugar, colouring a few other bits of goo put it in a colouful packet, spend what should have gone on the product on marketing and lobbying and make a fortune.

    Why wouldn’t the place be full of fatties.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    surely there’s a sport for everyone

    Possibly. But possibly not – remember that a lot of people don’t like getting all sweaty and tired, which is a bit of a prerequisite.

    However, we should still try – we really need to promote all sorts of sports, both competitive and not, in schools.

    Adults have managed all the movement out of their livse, it started with the remote control

    No, it started with the domestication of the horse.

    Premier Icon kilo
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    thegreatape – Member

    Fat people are harder to kidnap though.

    Not really, just leave a trail of jaffa cakes and they’ll climb into the back of your transit – job done.

    piemonster
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    Yes but if this is the case why are they lazy? Is this because no one’s shown them a more fun alternative?

    Wouldn’t have thought so, I’d wager it’s far more instinctual than that.

    IanW
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    When your talking about costs to the NHS; proportionate incidence of some cancers and cardio vascular disease in countries which don’t have such an obesity problem(or are too poor to be lazy feckers) suggest you can put some of those costs at the door of the food, oil and transport industries.

    AdamW
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    I’m 47 and a little overweight by about 7lb or so (according to the bmi thingy which is an indicator). Growing up I was always a porker until I discovered biking and running.

    It is painful but I know I can lose the weight if I want. While it is only an approximation I just become more careful of what I eat and count calories. All of them, including the sneaky ones. I use an app on my phone to count them and put in my biking etc. so it gives me a good idea of where I’m at.

    Last time I got into it I got down to a little under 11st. Now I’m somewhat higher than that. But it is tough, especially in the winter as I crave stodgy stuff. And weekends are difficult too due to more shared meals and going out to places etc.

    5thElefant
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    People need to get it into their smug, self congratulatory, fat headed, skulls that it is a disease.

    Somebody needs to figure out how to infect Africa with it.

    JCL
    Member

    Yes but if this is the case why are they lazy? Is this because no one’s shown them a more fun alternative?

    Yeah but to get enjoyment out of most sports you have to get reasonably good at it. I think there are a lot of people, especially women, who can barely summon the effort required to get out of bed let alone put effort into learning a sport.

    monkeyfudger
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    Luckily for me, even when I’m not clocking the K’s, I rarely put on weight where it can be noticed. It usually goes straight on my penis.

    LOL’d!

    It’s incredibly strange just how many people claim to have a medical issue though, when I was a lad there was one or two fatties in school and a handful of parents. Drop the kids off now and there’s shed loads of ’em roaming about. Proper fat too, kids barely able to walk and adults shuffling like the walking dead, disease my arse for 99.9% of ’em.

    IanW
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    Adults have managed all the movement out of their livse, it started with the remote control
    No, it started with the domestication of the horse.

    You have obviously never ridden a horse.

    avdave2
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    BBC interviewed a lady who was 27 years old and 27 stone

    In 7 years time my age and weight will also be aligned if i don’t put any on – 55 and 55kg.

    Premier Icon ampthill
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    I think the activity in Schools thing is a good point

    I’d love to have the money to run a proper survey on what actually keeps key age groups fit

    I’d like to be able assess say a 1000 50 year olds. Look at the ones who are active and see what they are actually doing to keep fit. My hunch is that there will be an elite group still running and cycling at goo dlevel. A few might still be doing team sports. But I but that the really key group will be recreational cyclists and even more importantly walkers and lots of then will be dog walkers. Some will be swimmers

    But my hunch is that the school sports curriculum and the wider sport for health thing is providing nearly no benefit.

    Premier Icon molgrips
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    I have.

    If you’re suggesting riding a horse is harder work than walking, it begs the question why did people ride them around all over the place for centuries? 🙂

    disease my arse

    Disease in this case doens’t mean there’s something wrong their bodies, it means there’s something wrong with their mind.

    Premier Icon bigblackshed
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    Diabetes isn’t caused solely by a sedatary lifestyle. It is in combination with a diet of high carb, high sugar, processed food. It’s a disease that has increased since the 50s alonside the change in the way the food industry has processed food. Prior to this people died of heart disease caused by high fat, red meat and malnutrition.

    There was an interesting programme a couple of months ago about how exercise as a weight loss tool has been marketed since the 70s as the only way to lose weight. It also showed how few calories were used when exercising even at a high intensity for prolonged periods. One of the side effects of suddenly increasing your activity level was the body’s craving to fuel the extra activity with sugary carbs, because that is what the body thinks it needs.

    Unfortunately our caveman brains are still evolving to catch up with 24 hour Tesco and food available on tap. It will gorge itself on any available calories just in case it’s not there tomorrow. Then when you start to diet, it goes into shock, thinking a famine is on the way, and stores all of the recent intake as hard to move storage fat. Basic survival.

    Biology and evolution are not our friends here.

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