The effect of a Scottish Yes vote on the rest of the UK?

I will wear a sad face for a long time.

My better half is Scottish and really disappointed that she doesn’t have a say as to what will happen in what she still sees as her home. This vote in my eyes if Scotland leaves the UK is like a divorce it affects both parties not just one side. For the yes camp to say that it has nothing to do with the rest of the UK is in my opinion a bit disappointing. But what will be will be. You won’t be able to change your mind 5 yrs down the line if it’s not what you want. This will be very permanent. If Scotland votes Yes I hope for my missus sake that it really goes well and works out but I have my doubts. I think I’d rather have call me Dave than Kim jong Salmond.

Assuming Holyrood actually ends up any different to Westminster of course.

They can but hope.

I really hope they vote yes, will be the most interesting period politically since Thatcher won in ’79. All been a bit dull recently.

RE: The currency thing again, UK says no to Currency Union, Salmond says OK we won’t take any debts. So what is to stop the UK from simply removing x amount of assets from the negotiations in lieu of that debt?
Its not like Salmond has any leverage then is it?

the leverage in the event that negotiations fail is international law. who that benefits depends on what the law says.

My better half is Scottish and really disappointed that she doesn’t have a say as to what will happen in what she still sees as her home.

she should have stayed or moved back, then. sorry if this seems a bit curt but it’s a bit rich for people who do not now and would not in the future be affected on a daily basis by any change to want a vote.

Marketisation ideology’s got you by the goolies then jambalaya – you really are saying ‘there is no alternative’. Dare we not strive for something different, something more? What the Scots debate is saying to us all is that we can do things differently if we dare, and whole new worlds can open up. And it need not be threatening.

While your mottos may be ‘TINA’ and ‘mustn’t grumble’, I prefer the old anarchist slogan – ‘be realistic – demand the impossible!’

Konabunny how do you think that just because she is no longer in Scotland that this vote will not affect her on a daily basis. Of course it will because her family are still in Scotland, She has been a tax payer in Scotland for years. She moved for her career in the NHS. I fail to see how you seem to think that just because a person is not residing at the moment in their home that this won’t impact on them in any way. A typical ignorant viewpoint. It’s like saying your less Scottish because you don’t live in Scotland at the moment.

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‘The North’ have been putting together, for some time, a proposition for devolution to a collection of northern cities. Who have less Tory MP’s than Scotland. So even more of a democratic deficit. I doubt you’d have to be a rocket scientist to work out which ones they are

Why do people keep banging on like this is a good thing, another layer or bureaucrats, doing the same things that the others do but in an office with a local postcode. What exact powers do you want decentralised?
Health? Education? Policing? Defense?
Or is it the same as the Scottish argument – we know we are screwed but at least let us screw ourselves.

Living in a more federal system there is duplication, division and bitter resentment over many things. There are governments pulling in multiple directions and fighting with each other and more elections that you really need.

As a former resident of the North (the bits actually in the north not Manchester & Leeds) I don’t see much actual benefit from this. The majority of the feeling seems to be poorly disguised hatred and mistrust of the Tories, I think the referendum would be a clear no if there was still a labor government.

you really are saying ‘there is no alternative’. Dare we not strive for something different, something more?

Well I suppose you could advance to a barter system, or if you want to be really radical and progressive truck might work for you.

I fail to see how you seem to think that just because a person is not residing at the moment in their home that this won’t impact on them in any way. A typical ignorant viewpoint. It’s like saying your less Scottish because you don’t live in Scotland at the moment.

I lived in Glasgow for 9 months, can I have my vote. The vote as with all of these are for the residents of the place deciding. Non resident tough shit.

Konabunny how do you think that just because she is no longer in Scotland that this vote will not affect her on a daily basis…A typical ignorant viewpoint. It’s like saying your less Scottish because you don’t live in Scotland at the moment.

It will not affect her on a daily basis because she does not live there and does not work there. What happens in Scotland really doesn’t affect people who live in England, Wales, Wisconsin or Woolloomooloo on a daily basis. It just doesn’t.

It’s not like saying you’re less Scottish because you don’t live in Scotland. It’s like saying you don’t have a right to a say because you don’t live in Scotland.

And frankly no-one GAS about how Scottish anyone is because it’s irrelevant. I can be Scotty McScotchburger prancing around Harare in my kilt, sporran and CU Jimmy hat, but it’s Tomasz Szemewski eating pierogi in Tillicoultry that Scottish independence will really affect.

It’s not an ignorant viewpoint – it just differs to yours!

Perhaps we could give a vote to anyone who likes to go on holiday here. Or anyone who might go on holiday here one day. Also whisky drinkers around the world. And Runrig fans.

Getting back to the original question – In other good news for England: the Scottish banks would all relocate to London. Great! So we have to bail them all out again when it all goes tits up again. Which it surely will, with it being the same unregulated ‘business as usual’ in the City. 🙄

Watching the Chairman of John Lewis on Breakfast this morning, he was explaining that in the event of a yes vote, it is almost certain that retail prices would rise in scotland at some stage following the split.

They won’t like that!

he was explaining that in the event of a yes vote, it is almost certain that retail prices would rise in scotland at some stage following the split.

Interesting. What was his reasoning ?

Just to follow up on @Rockape/John Lewis. What they said is that it already costs more to do business in Scotland but as its part of the UK JL absorbs this cost in order to keep prices in stores the same countrywide. If Scotland becomes independent JL will not continue to absorb this cost and will pass it on. What is interesting is that this situation is likely to be the same at many businesses, eg Tesco, Sainsbury etc. The geographical spread of Scottish cities makes it likely that business costs in Scotland are currently being absorbed and are unliklely to be in the future.

It sounds like an excuse to me. No doubt prices would also be raised south of the border and ‘market volatility’ caused by an iS would be blamed for that as well.

Sounds like a good argument in favour of being part of a larger country, doesn’t it?

Unless of course Scotland, freed of the dead weight of Westminster austerity, actually… dare to say it… does well.

I guess postal prices will go up to then.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-29153022

Tesco, Sainsbury etc. The geographical spread of Scottish cities makes it likely that business costs in Scotland are currently being absorbed and are unliklely to be in the future.

The Supermarkets already price differently in different locations. I can’t see that much changing.

Unless of course Scotland, freed of the dead weight of Westminster austerity, actually… dare to say it… does wel

I thought this wasn’t about the short term?

Seems to me that the Yessers are shifting their arguments to justify what they want on an emotional level.

Don’t like Salmond? Don’t worry it’s not about Salmond, politicians are short term this is about the long view. But vote yes to get rid of Dave, Boris and Farage. It IS about them in the short term!

Sure, the economy might be difficult for a while, but it’s about the long term and freedom. But vote yes to get rid of austerity even though it’s a short term policy!

Unless of course Scotland, freed of the dead weight of Westminster austerity, actually… dare to say it… does well.

But we are doing well. Our housing market is strong

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-29148650

there’s investment across the country. In Glasgow there’s a genuine upturn across the city, albeit the really deprived areas continue to struggle but show me a country that doesn’t suffer from that.

More public sector workers; better public services; free universities; free care for the elderly; free health care and prescriptions; more state support for the arts; and lower taxes to boot

How on earth could anyone vote against this?

More public sector workers; better public services; free universities; free care for the elderly; free health care and prescriptions; more state support for the arts; and lower taxes to boot

How on earth could anyone vote against this?

How on earth are you going to pay for it?

How on earth are you going to pay for it?

Salmond says we can afford it, it must be true…

So basically Scotland will free itself of the ToryEnglish/Welsh & NI Shackles stride on giving free education, free prescriptions and all the rest while maintaining an exceptional level of public services to a geographically dispersed population without having to raise a lot more cash? Yes there is a share of big ticket items not to share but really?
As for England it’s probably the end of HS2 getting past Manchester now. The relocation of a large part of RBS/HBOS down south (or at least to Newcastle) and a whole load more time not spent listening to people whining on.

More public sector workers; better public services; free universities; free care for the elderly; free health care and prescriptions; more state support for the arts; and lower taxes to boot

How on earth could anyone vote against this?

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How on earth are you going to pay for it?

Duh, Get with the programme man, the huge west coast fields of cheap, easy to recover oil that the evil basturt tories kept secret!

What @ninfan says, there is a pot of black gold the Scots have kept hidden for just this eventuality, Captain Salmond has the map or maybe the Parrott on his shoulder will tell him where the pieces of eight are hidden

Thinking about the arguments for greater devolution within England.

I’m wondering if, about 10 years after a yes vote, we will see the highlands and islands arguing for greater devolution/independance because scottish policies are seen as too Glasgow/Edinburgh centric.

How on earth are you going to pay for it?

By not spending billions on Trident, billions on illegal wars, billions on white elephant rail networks,…

There’s no magic bullet. There isn’t a Scottish pot of gold. What there is is a very well-educated and productive country full of energetic people who will succeed.

The John Lewis point is very interesting, as those costs won’t just increase for consumers, but also NHS etc. as well. My other half until recently was a drugs rep covering essentially everything in Scotland North of Perth, with the company headquartered in the South East of England and she had to fight very hard for the North of Scotland to be treated equally cost and service wise to the rest of UK. However, ultimately the company were happy to do that as they could absorb the costs. In an iScotland there would be far less incentive to do that. Sure the central belt would probably be okay, but the Highlands, Western Isles etc. could see a big lift in costs.

I think he’s found another way

Shell, BP, The financial Times, The governor of The Bank Of England, Deutsche Bank, Credit Suisse, Standard Life, RBS, Lloyds, John Lewis?

Whit the **** dae they ken anyhoo? F**king unionist basturts…………..

By not spending billions on Trident, billions on illegal wars, billions on white elephant rail networks,…

Hmm.. that money that gets spent – where does it actually go? It doesn’t disappear.

What there is is a very well-educated and productive country full of energetic people who will succeed.

Are you suggesting the English are ignorant, unproductive and lazy?

Once released from this millstone you will prosper?

If you are so well-educated, productive and energetic how did you become colonized by the English in the first place?

By the way, I have been to Port Glasgow and your description doesn’t really apply there! 🙂

billions on white elephant rail networks,…