Thatcher's died according to BBC

I wonder if the 700+ armed forces personnel who will be involved have been asked if they want to?

How low can they stoop?

Well I’d say there’s a pretty strong chance that the police will be briefed to crack any skulls that dare to interfere with the enforced reverence. Which would be a suitably fitting testimony to her, and her attitude to dealing with democratic rights and dissent from the common peasantry

I would also imagine that Dave and chums are cynical enough to be secretly willing it to go off. So they can get straight onto their high horses, and use it as an opportunity to further her/their agenda. I’m sure their right wing tabloid attack dogs have been briefed, and already have the headlines written

I’d say after Gideons Philpott comments, that’s presently where we’re at

binners, Thatcher’s death appears to be making your views a little more extreme/ alarmist than usual.

whilst that Brand piece in the Guardian is well written, save for his usual addition of flowerly un-understandable language, it’s a bit weak in its meaningful content, but I guess as another child of the 80s his talk of apathy then and now does ring true. I want to care, but I’m not in a position to know why I should.

http://blogs.channel4.com/factcheck/factcheck-the-thatcher-myths/13236

I wonder if the 700+ armed forces personnel who will be involved have been asked if they want to?

When she was in power she was adored by the armed forces, she treated them well (increased pay substantially) and gave them clear unambiguous missions.

brakes – her death has, I’d imagine alongside a few other people, brought out a level of anger in me I haven’t felt in a very long time. Since I was watching, daily, her police stormtroopers beating the living **** out of miners, to be honest.

I look at whats presently being done to our society by this inhumane shower. And all the coverage has just reminded me that they’re merely finishing her ideological lifes work. The systematic dismantling of the welfare state, and the drive to eradicate every sign of social progress made over the decades, and take us back to Victorian levels of inequality.

That way the uppity working classes can be put firmly back where they belong.

Why don’t you move to the Socialist Paradise that is North Korea then?

Obviously what binners said but i think the Tories are also being political here – cleverly I guess

+1

Fancy that, Tories making hay out of a death and funeral.

Why don’t you move to the Socialist Paradise that is North Korea then?

😆

Reminds me of a famous “on your bike” quote.

That has to be one of your more intelligent comebacks ratty. Nice edit, by the way.

You’re outdoing yourself with your witty and urbane replies Ratty. You’re like a right wing reactionary version of Stephen Fry

Its a credit to you that you get you’re razor sharp replies in so quickly. I’d have to stay up all night to come back with gems like that

Improved it I thought Mitch.

I mean, don’t get me wrong – theres Cuba as well, China and Vietnam to an extent – all are viable options if you hate capitalism that much Binners.

So rattrap you agree that parliament should be recalled at public[/u] expense to eulogise over her? You also agree that a good chunk of public[/u] money should be spent to parade her coffin through the streets? All at a time when we are being told that austerity cuts are essential as we have no public[/u] money?

AS I have already said, I won’t be dancing on any graves but to spend such public money on burying a wealthy woman from a wealthy family when cuts are being made elsewhere is obscene.

Hating capitalism? Hmmmmmmm. I’m not sure hating thatcher and this present lot is tantamount to agreeing with Marx

You’re clearly a bright boy though. Maybe you need to maybe apply the same intellectual rigour to your ideological musings as you clearly do to your hilarious retorts

That’d be a win/win for all involed

Strange, but over the past couple of days all I’ve had is Roger Waters’s lyrics haunting me- just curious as to whether anyone else has. Apologies if already posted, but what an album btw, whether you agree with the political message or not (ultimately Gilmour fell out with him)

Defining China as non-capitalist? Hmmmmmmm. Again, that’s certainly an interesting concept.

Do go on…..

So rattrap you agree that parliament should be recalled at public expense to eulogise over her?

Significant expense? we’re paying the MP’s wages as it is, they should be at work regardless, not swanning on their extended holidays.

You also agree that a good chunk of public money should be spent to parade her coffin through the streets?

Additional cost? well, the soldiers are already there, the police are already there – we’re not even spending any money on petrol if its a hand cart.

All at a time when we are being told that austerity cuts are essential as we have no public money?

I know, Labour spent it all, there was a note and everything.

AS I have already said, I won’t be dancing on any graves but to spend such public money on burying a wealthy woman from a wealthy family when cuts are being made elsewhere is obscene.

I think it typifies Thatchers Britain. Money spent on the few and the wealthy, while the majority can rot.

AS I have already said, I won’t be dancing on any graves but to spend such public money on burying a wealthy woman from a wealthy background is obscene.

+1

Personally I think its wrong to jump up and down at someones death. I’ll think its a great shame if there is a big kick off at her funeral. Take your party elsewhere.

I know a lot of people who think she is a vile Women, but being Vile and disrespectful achieves nothing.

What binners said +1000

I see in The Incontinent that the cops are expecting trouble so will be stamping down hard on dissenting demonstrations. A fitting send-off, it seesm to me. Maybe they can re-run the Orgreave tactics and show up in ambulances.

Nice avoidance of the questions rattrap. Thought about going in to politics?

Soooo, £10,000,000 in times of massive austerity. I think thats got potential for very wrong messages being sent.

Actually, no, I don’t think it does, I think it sends out a very clear and concise message.
“See you poor people, especially those who have lost their jobs, are struggling to feed and yourselves and your families or are worried about your pensions – well **** the lot of you”

It’s the labour party who do the “unburied dead” thing, perhaps if she’d have lasted a couple more years ?

but being Vile and disrespectful achieves nothing.

got someone three terms as PM and a multi-million pound deal on the after dinner circuit.

Sorry atp, not sure of the meaning there. If it’s a reference to the winter of discontent stuff then you misunderstand me. I’m not saying she shouldn’t be buried. I’m saying that the public purse shouldn’t be paying for it.

I see in The Incontinent that the cops are expecting trouble so will be stamping down hard on dissenting demonstrations. A fitting send-off, it seesm to me. Maybe they can re-run the Orgreave tactics and show up in ambulances.

Best bit is that in that case, then even after her death we’ll be paying the coppers overtime to bang some Lefties over the head for her 😈

I reckon she’d call that a fitting way to go out in style 8)

My shonky calcs reckon that LaThatch’s funeral costs amount to 0.02 % of the interest the UK has to pay/annum to service the national debt. Small change innit.

Famous ex-MP Louise Mensch was on the tellybox last night commenting that all those partying and criticising Margaret Thatcher were just “little people”. She was quite dismissive…

When she was in power she was adored by the armed forces, she treated them well (increased pay substantially) and gave them clear unambiguous missions.

…..and never once cut their budget and then committed them to a conflict which they didn’t have sufficientkit to properly prosecute…… hang on….. 😯

Funnily enough ratty, I never saw myself as a lefty, until the strike. I then went from being an ordinary working bloke, trying to look after my family, pay my mortgage and perhaps save up for a week away somewhere sunny, to being one of the “enemy within”, and yes, being “banged over the head by some coppers”. You know what? It’s not that great. I wish you’d stop talking bollocks old cock, and as for all the “show some respect” comments on here, give it a rest, please. You either never knew her for what she was in the first place, or you’re just swallowing what the present government and its attendant media wants you to.

Real classy and thoughtful post there Ratty. You’ve surpassed yourself. And that’s pretty difficult.

Anyway… I reckon I’ve sussed out your real identity. Its obvious. You’re fitting this in while having a bit of writers block, doing your new column for the Telegraph. You can keep my £5 I won. Donate it to the NUM or something

An interesting article by Johnathon Freedland that probably sums up what I was trying to say in my earlier rant much more eloquently….

The wider Tory tribe seems determined to use the nine-day limbo between her passing and her funeral to define Thatcher in death in a way that would have seemed impossible, if not outright absurd, in life: as above and beyond politics, as a national rather than partisan figure, as an incontestable and uncontested part of our collective inheritance.

Not as eloquently as Ratty/Kelvins delicate reasonings on the subject, but he tried

All the “and 1000!” lurkers are beginning to get a bit more nervous and refreshing the thread more regularly…

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My shonky calcs reckon that LaThatch’s funeral costs amount to 0.02 % of the interest the UK has to pay/annum to service the national debt. Small change innit.

Mine show that you breath about 0.0000017% of the oxygen breathed in the UK, so depriving you of that would be even smaller change. However, much like the funeral, it wouldn’t make it either right nor appropriate would it?

being one of the “enemy within”, and yes, being “banged over the head by some coppers”. You know what? It’s not that great. I wish you’d stop talking bollocks old cock,

Hey, we’ve all been there – some of us were opposed to the ideologically driven hunting ban, but you know what – the evil oppressive left wing took away our livelihoods and hobbies and smashed our heads with riot batons.

Didn’t see you campaigning for our livelihoods…

Depends on who’s point of view you look at doesn’t it. Just like Thatch 😉

Hang on. I think I may have been wrong about your identity. Quick question….. Have you ever thrown an egg at John Prescott?

Are you genuinely trying to compare the hunting ban with the 1984 strike? You really do have no idea ratty.

rattrap earlier;

On reflection you’re probably right Barnsleymitch – we never tried to overthrow parliamentary democracy in search of a communist revolution like King Arthur

and you wonder why it ended in tears?

Tell you what though – we warned you that after us, they’d be after you next:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/9958118/Pigeon-racers-in-a-flap-as-animal-rights-group-calls-for-ban.html

Hey, we’ve all been there – some of us were opposed to the ideologically driven hunting ban, but you know what – the evil oppressive left wing took away our livelihoods and hobbies and smashed our heads with riot batons.

Didn’t see you campaigning for our livelihoods…

Well if your hobby was to chase animals cross country and then watch them killed by the dogs, then hitting you over the head with a baton was the least we could do.

Aaaaaaaaaaaaah, yes … the Countryside Alliance. The greatest living example of just one too many vowels