Thatcher's died according to BBC

I would have thought this thread would have been a taggers delight.

‘Everyone argues’

Not been much actual arguing – amazed it’s got to 26 pages without too much nastiness. 🙂

I hated her! She was a lucky politician. She was fortunate to get the leadership of the tories. She was lucky to take on Labour when she did. She was lucky that the SDP split the labour vote and ensured the tories would be in power for at least a decade. She used the Falklands War to her own ends which ensured her continuation in power. To the people who keep saying she was great because she won 3 elections – so did Berlusconi! I see her and her cronies policies as responsible for many of the ills in our country today. She can not be considered great by any measure.
I don’t wish her dead as a old dear with dementia now but at the time in her prime I would have been close to pulling the trigger.

– amazed it’s got to 26 pages without too much nastiness.

You missed tazzy popping in for a few posts? Nobody bit though. 🙂

they wanted to deal with only one union but they did not want a closed shop – how exactly does that work then?

There is one recognized union, the workers don’t have to join it.

Basically, poorer people will spend – the rich tend to hoard.

So what you’re telling us here is that the economic crisis was actually caused by the poor? Well that’s certainly a revelation.

Thatcher’s diet according to BBC

Damn.. I misread the thread title

I was hoping for some tips on recipes for cooking the children of the working classes

So what you’re telling us here is that the economic crisis was actually caused by the poor? Well that’s certainly a revelation.

Only half of it was caused by the poor, the other half of the problems where caused by the rich.

aracer – Member
So what you’re telling us here is that the economic crisis was actually caused by the poor? Well that’s certainly a revelation.

No, I’m not.
But you knew that, so your post was a bit pointless really, wasn’t it?

There is one recognized union, the workers don’t have to join it.

Its not really any better is it or fairer. You can join any union you like but we only recognise and talk to this one.

An sort of employers closed shop rather than a union closed shop but with no forcing but no point joining any other as they are not recognised

😀 funniest thing I’ve heard from Frankie Boyle for years… With a grain of truth too

funniest thing I’ve heard from Frankie Boyle for years

You’re not setting a very high bar there.

I know it’s Russell Brand but he shares some wise words re the woman here:

http://m.guardian.co.uk/politics/2013/apr/09/russell-brand-margaret-thatcher

Make of it what you will.

that is a truthful piece of writing– good on him..

cracking article from brand.

That is a very good article.

funniest thing I’ve heard from Frankie Boyle for years… With a grain of truth too

He tweeted yesterday something like “Thatcher got more women into politics the way Myra Hindley got more women into hillwalking”

Harsh, but a good point.

Strangely he doesn’t seem to mention the famous quotes “also to look after our neighbour” and “help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate”. It’s almost as if he doesn’t know the context for the quote he does use.

An excellent, intelligent and thoughtful piece by RB.

Have I grown to like him, or has he grown up?
(Insert usual quote).

aracer – Member

Strangely he doesn’t seem to mention the famous quotes “also to look after our neighbour” and “help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate”. It’s almost as if he doesn’t know the context for the quote he does use.

Well, those quotes aren’t famous, are they?
Because it was obvious by her policies and actions that she didn’t believe a word of them.

Russell Brand might be a div, but he does have a fine brain on him and occasionally he uses it.

aracer – Member

Strangely he doesn’t seem to mention the famous quotes “also to look after our neighbour” and “help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate”. It’s almost as if he doesn’t know the context for the quote he does use.

Or, perhaps because they were so dishonest.

I was astonished that I liked the Russell Brand piece because I’ve hated his precious writing.

Its not really any better is it or fairer. You can join any union you like but we only recognise and talk to this one.

I didn’t say it was, Mr Goalposts-Movie-McMover. I just explained how it wasn’t a closed shop.

aracer – Member

Strangely he doesn’t seem to mention the famous quotes “also to look after our neighbour” and “help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate”.

Unless I missed it, he also doesn’t mention a much more famous quote of hers :

“Where there is discord, may we bring harmony. Where there is error, may we bring truth. Where there is doubt, may we bring faith. And where there is despair, may we bring hope.”

And he should have done imo – it says so much about her.

Good article by Brand although I loathe his tv persona and the actual presence of the man but his article is very well written.

Good article by Brand although I loathe his tv persona and the actual presence of the man but his article is very well written

+1

Well written and thoughtful.

“also to look after our neighbour” and “help by our own efforts those who are unfortunate”. It’s almost as if he doesn’t know the context for the quote he does use.

Perhaps he does but perhaps he took ot as as honest as GO claiming we are all in it together whilst giving tacxcuts to the rich, opposing banker salary caps and decided it was something said becaus ethey wre a politician rather than becaus ehtey felt it?

TBH would you like to point to her policies that encouraged a sense of responsibility to those less fortunate than themselves?

ITs fair to say she said there was no society just individuals who might help peole once they were sorted – I saw plenty of the former and little of the later from her or any other Tory

I didn’t say it was, Mr Goalposts-Movie-McMover. I just explained how it wasn’t a closed shop.

Wow I like this type of debate I know you are but what am I Mr slective quoting childish bickerer 🙄
Even for here and you 😯

Mr Goalposts-Movie-McMover.

I did a little LOL 🙂

[teacher voice] You let yourself down there[/teacher voice] 😉

Two things:

On the HM Gov Petition site, the “No state funeral for Maggie Thatcher” has 30,108 signatures. Surprisingly low considering that this thread will probably reach that number of posts later this afternoon?

And, who’s selling the Rover P5 Coupe? 😀

Funeral: Difficult to discuss without sounding churlish, but hey its never stopped me before…

Soooo, £10,000,000 in times of massive austerity. I think thats got potential for very wrong messages being sent.
Devisiveness: there is little doubt that the women polarises opinions, and there is frankly a huge potential for conflict on a frightening scale surrounding this funeral.
The family. As many have pointed out, she is an old lady and a mother, so is it right to set up a situation whereby there is absolutley no doubt that there will be some really hostile and negative behaviour around the event. I’m not sure I’d want booing and muck slinging at my mums funeral. (Mind you who knows what might motivate the criminal Mark and the idiot Carol?)

Overall for my money, I think it should be on a much lesser scale, and not public. for those reasons.

Camo, small point of order… The planned funeral is not a State funeral

If it was you’d be able to “visit” her lying in state and give her a big kiss or not as the case may be

That P5 may be pricey…. one careful lady owner and all that 😆

I’m starting to get really bloody annoyed by this atmosphere that we’re almost being ordered by her present disciples to be deferential to her. And dissenting voices should be silenced.

Why the **** should we? Out of respect? Just because she’s dead?

She was a hideously divisive woman. Proudly divisive even. Has that been reflected in the media coverage? Not one bit. Its all been obscenely sycophantic, to the point where its insulting to the communities her policies destroyed. They had little enough voice to begin with, now they’re being told to shut up and show respect. Well… no… **** off!!!

Its ironic that as the keepers of her toxic legacy continue her work, and continue to hack whats left of the welfare state to pieces, under the guise of necessary austerity, they don’t give a second thought to spanking millions to wheel out all the bells and baubles of the state for her, no matter what the cost

And they’re so cold and insensitive that its never crossed their duplicitous self-obsessed minds that large parts of the population will regard that as obscene. ****s!!!!

Camo, small point of order… The planned funeral is not a State funeral

Point of order noted.

But we’re still paying for it, right?

Just to be clear, did the nation pay for the funerals of Wilson, Heath, [Harry] Callaghan etc?

I don’t have much to say on this matter, but that bit chimes.

Is there not an offence of “Behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace”? If so, the organisers of her funeral should be charged with it.

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Its ironic that as the keepers of her toxic legacy continue her work, and continue to hack whats left of the welfare state to pieces, under the guise of necessary austerity, they don’t give a second thought to spanking millions to wheel out all the bells and baubles of the state for her, no matter what the cost

And they’re so cold and insensitive that its never crossed their duplicitous self-obsessed minds that large parts of the population will regard that as obscene. ****s!!!!

Couldn’t agree more. There is also the little matter of all the expenses that the bunch of self serving ****s will be able to claim for flying back to wax lyrical abut her in parliament today.

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Is there not an offence of “Behaviour likely to cause a breach of the peace”? If so, the organisers of her funeral should be charged with it.

Agreed.

And according to the BBC travel expenses can be claimed by MPs going to the debate being held in Parliament (up to £3750 for those coming back from abroad!)

This whole charade sends out completely the wrong message to hundreds of thousands (if not millions) of people whose lives are being made worse by the changes and cuts in benefits being introduced by the current Government.

The recall of Parliament to discuss the legacy of Thatcher strikes me as another cynical ploy by this band of self-seeking millionaires to address their increasing unpopularity in the polls. Debates about the legacy of previous PM’s have taken place during normal Parliamentary time, so why couldn’t Dave and his cronies waited until next week when Parliament convenes again. How low can they stoop?

How low can they stoop?

Oh, based on past record? Much lower.

Has that been reflected in the media coverage? Not one bit. Its all been obscenely sycophantic, to the point where its insulting to the communities her policies destroyed.

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The above link to the Guido Fawkes site shows a screen shot of the BBC Web coverage . Whilst I don’t agree with the GF’s analysis, I think it is a bit of a push to describe this as sycophantic.

yes it is quite amusing the we must be respectful tones coming out

Parliamnet has opend today so that MP’s can effectively browmn nose to her memory

Obviously what binners said but i think the Tories are also being political here – cleverly I guess

Basically the Labur MPS get stuck between saying what they really think and looking rude and disrespectful – hence the she was our PM a great Briton etc we should show some repect agenda – note Blair saying it was naughty to party- whihc puts labour between a rock and a hard place.
A riot will play into the tory hands re bitter hatefilled lefties [ some truth in it tbh] arent theny all naughty , rude etc whilst those toff **** rape the public services and shaft the poor people and reward the rich. Their mates in the media will go all guns for another attack on the left forcing labour to either defned this or attack it – ie annoy their core voters or annoy the middle ground they need

Clever and cynical – thank god it did not happen near an elction tbh