tattoo yes or no ? lol

Guys, get a room!

I already know that you're very argumentative, smug, self-righteous…

You know that off the forum, not from the pic.

I suspect it was far more carefully considered than simply a random snap shot

It was the latest one off my flickr stream, and the only one on there that has me in it. I put it up the other day so I could show it on the baby carrier thread.

What you're doing, Shibboleth, is ASSUMING a personality based on what you THINK you can gather from the picture. You've really got no idea whether or not it's right, have you? How could you?

I don't apologise Yunki, my opinions are hard fought, and stand me in good stead. There's nothing narrow minded about having formed opinions, I hate to ressurect the analogy, but no matter how many people try to convince you, I'm sure (well I hope) you find child porn abhorrent. Does that make you narrow minded?

Standing one's ground and explaining beliefs and values in the face of opposition should not be confused with narrow mindedness.

There's nothing narrow minded about having formed opinions

Uh, I think you'll find there is.

Being narrow minded is thinking that what you know is all there is.

You apparently KNOW for a fact that you can tell all about a person just by looking at them, despite being proved wrong when you attempted it above.

What you're doing, Shibboleth, is ASSUMING a personality based on what you THINK you can gather from the picture. You've really got no idea whether or not it's right, have you? How could you?

No Molgrips, what I'm doing is using all the information available to me to form an opinion. If I was considering you for a job, I'd learn that you were argumentative, self-righteous and smug from your forum postings, and from your photograph, I'd take the unswerving opinion that you should be seated as far away from the biscuit draw as possible.

I'm clever enough to judge people using all available information, the way they look being one of them.

i will take your word for it, you are evidently well versed in 'stoopid'

Deeper and darker and ever firmer and swifter into the annals of prattdom…

Read back what you are writing occasionally.. it really beggars belief..

I can understand that you would rather not employ people with tattoos.. I don't agree with your choice.. but I can understand it..

It's the way that you're defending yourself here and the arguments that you are constructing which are making you look silly..

🙄

We all judge everything around us, all the time, based on all the information available coupled with our own experience and what we have heard/read/etc. Our judgment is not always right, but that's how we survive.

I judge that drop as too high to roll.
I judge that car as going too fast.
I judge that girl as someone I'd like to speak to.
I judge molgrips as a rabid left-winger.

Of course when you see someone with a tat flash by, you will add the fact that they have a tatoo to the information which leads to your judgment (first impression). If they then open their mouths, what they say, tone of voice, etc. will be added to the equation, and your judgement likely revised. And so on and on.

Of course what a tatoo says to different people varies widely.

Whether you should care depends on who you are and your circumstances…

You apparently KNOW for a fact that you can tell all about a person just by looking at them, despite being proved wrong when you attempted it above.

Now, this is where your lack of intelligence has got the better of you. The decision of whether or not to employ someone with tattoos is based on the fact that I KNOW a large sector of my potential client base will judge them unfavourably.

You should really get some magnifying glasses if you're going to try and read my posts from on top of your high horse.

I'm clever enough to judge people using all available information, the way they look being one of them.

Right on, Shibbo!

i will take your word for it, you are evidently well versed in 'stoopid'

Ah I see. If there's anyone you don't agree with, you brand them stupid and ignore their arguments. And you say you don't have a closed mind.. right. 🙂

We do indeed judge, theEye – but the important thing is whether or not we are prepared to a) be generous in our judgement, b) change that judgement once we get to know the person better and c) whether or not we are prepared to doubt our initial assessment and take the time to find out more about the person not just dismiss them.

The decision of whether or not to employ someone with tattoos is based on the fact that I KNOW a large sector of my potential client base will judge them unfavourably.

This is a different issue. I fully understand that your clients could well judge your employees badly if they have tattoos – fair enough. This may be a problem when employing people.

However you seem to strongly believe that ANYONE with a tattoo is stupid, and you also seem to believe you can instantly guess all abotu a person just by looking at them.

Those things are preposterous, surely?

Well, there's half an hour of my life I am never getting back.

Get the tattoo love, if you like it, who cares what anyone else thinks.

Ah I see. If there's anyone you don't agree with, you brand them stupid and ignore their arguments. And you say you don't have a closed mind.. right.

We do indeed judge, theEye – but the important thing is whether or not we are prepared to a) be generous in our judgement, b) change that judgement once we get to know the person better and c) whether or not we are prepared to doubt our initial assessment and take the time to find out more about the person not just dismiss them.

Oh dear, your compromised brain has done it again Moley. You're quoting someone else there!!!

As for your little A, B or C exercise (well done on your alphabet lessons, I see you're making sterling progress), we've not discussed any of those points.

And Shibboleth, do you design for Saga by any chance?

molgrips – Member

i will take your word for it, you are evidently well versed in 'stoopid'

Ah I see. If there's anyone you don't agree with, you brand them stupid and ignore their arguments. And you say you don't have a closed mind.. right

he (shibbo) started it, read the thread dumbass

However you seem to strongly believe that ANYONE with a tattoo is stupid, and you also seem to believe you can instantly guess all abotu a person just by looking at them.

There you go again! How on earth do you get through life unscathed? I've clearly stated that appearance would be just one way I'd judge someone (using yourself as an example, remember?), and I clearly stated earlier in the thread that I think people with tats are STOOPID FOR GETTING TATTOOS in the same way that base jumpers are stoopid for jumping off buildings, and I'm stoopid for trying to out-cycle Andy Schleck… Remember?

Jesus, which marketing school did you go to? One for Stoopids?

Shib – have you actually ever attended any marketing courses at all? Do you actually know what marketing is? I've been on loads (mostly just to get business funding or for networking) and every single one, without fail, has told me that identifying your target market as 'The General Public' will result in a massive business FAIL. Even the Pound Shop has a very specific target market…

And I must agree that calling strangers on a forum 'stoopid' makes you sound, well, stoopid. Dammit, look what you made me do.

Yes, I do – I don't see how there's a difference between thinking someone is stupid for doing something, and thinking they're stupid.

Btw, what's with the continued torrent of abuse?

STOOPID FOR GETTING TATTOOS

I'll go one step further then.

If I had to judge whether a person is intelligent or stoopid, in absence of any information I would bet on intelligent, because I'm an optimist. But if I know this person has a tatoo, and that's all I know about them, I would bet on stoopid, because I believe that there is a correlation. The correlation may be very very slight, and there may be intermediate variables, but it's there.

People with tatoos aren't generally stoopid, but they are more likely to be than people without, even if only slightly.

Of course it's a manufactured example trying to isolate the tatoo effect, and it's never like that, because there is other info available. And to be truthful, I wouldn't hesitate to change my judgment at the first opportunity.

there's a difference between thinking someone is stoopid and then letting that opinion prejudice your actions / business etc…

If I had to judge whether a person is intelligent or stoopid, in absence of any information I would bet on intelligent, because I'm an optimist. But if I know this person has a tatoo, and that's all I know about them, I would bet on stoopid, because I believe that there is a correlation

Ah yes but you DON'T have to judge, do you? You can keep an open mind – that's what I am getting at.

Despite all the traffic on this thread, I suspect Shibboleth is reasonably intelligent, but we are all having some communication issues, and he's wording himself terribly confrontationally which doesn't endear people to him.

Of course, the constant stream of hyperbole about how stupid I am doesn't make himself look particularly clever either 🙂 Plus, I'm not really paying any attention to it so you might as well save your fingers 🙂

But if I know this person has a tatoo, and that's all I know about them, I would bet on stoopid, because I believe that there is a correlation

Does that mean all Maoris should be presumed to be stupid?

I am not even sure why I am posting, slow day at work I suppose…

Shibboleth – you're funny!

What I want to know is how you know molgrips didn't lose his 'johnson' in a tragic hoovering accident and that he's infact taking his neice for a stroll?

I need answers!

I do have to judge. It's my nature, and yours too. Stoopidity, and a million other dimensions as well, all at the same time.

But I'm surpised that molgrips hasn't flamed me for saying that people with tatoos are more likely to be stoopid than those without. Are you feeling okay grips?

They're all there in the picture, TSY, just look. LOOK AT IT! YOU CAN SEE IT WRITTEN ALL ACROSS HIS FACE!

I do have to judge. It's my nature, and yours too

Hmm.. well it depends what you mean by judge I suppose. The word judge has a finality about it implying that you have made a decision about the person concerned and aren't likely to change. I will say that I start forming opinions about someone when I see them, but I don't consider that judgemental because my opinions are fluid and change all the time as I learn.

theEye, you did say that you are prepared to change your opinions which is a good thing of course.

I think I can maybe see through Shibboleth's spittle spray a bit.. When he says someone is stupid for doing something, he means that act was stupid, not that the person necessarily is. I think – kind of hard to tell though because he seems to be abusing everyone and everything.

Does that mean all Maoris should be presumed to be stupid?

There you go!

The fact that a person is a Maori is extra information.

But it's true that the tatoo/stoopidity correlation is based only on my experiences of Europe and US. It may not hold everywhere.

Oh, well, it's a question of definition then, grips.
When I hear the word 'judge' there is no finality to it. I use it more like 'perceive', I guess.

Fair enough.

I don't see a correlation between tattoos and stupidity tho. I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though.. I couldn't offer much on the intelligence of the people involved, especially since intelligence is such a varied and fluid concept.

I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though..

Ha! You narrow minded f***er! 🙄

🙄 yourself!

*posting in a style Shibboleth understands*

What an utterly lamentable display of cretinous idiocy! How on earth can you dress yourself you half-witted imbecile? It would be obvious to anyone with any kind of brain that I was stating a correlation between observable items of fashion, that cannot be disputed. How could anyone miss that you utter retard? I wasn't passing judgement on the intelligence of the people concerned, just a correlation between various visual styles

Does that help, Shib? 🙂

Hahahaha!
And just as I was about to post something about my suspicion that molgrips is incapable of calling anyone stoopid, no matter what they do and how well he knows them!

Does that help, Shib?

It just helps prove that you've been talking out of your arse for the past few days. You're happy to admit that you can judge a person's social status by their clothes and 'type of tattoos', and yet you've spent several pages tying to flame and ridicule me for making the assertion that I am fully aware that people make those judgements and cut my commercial cloth accordingly!

You really are quite the village idiot.

Isn't about time people stopped feeding the troll that is Shittoleth? Let him have the last word, cos his words are meaningless anyway.

You're happy to admit that you can judge a person's social status by their clothes and 'type of tattoos'

I didn't say anything of the sort!

I said that there was a correlation between style of tattoo and style of clothing, taste in car etc. Some people who appear that way are really nice, some are scumbags – something else I've learned over the years.

Nothing to do with intelligence. Plus, I've not flamed you for not employing tattoed people, I don't think. I've flamed you for being judgemental.

You have to admit that the issues on this thread are simply those of communication, surely?

I didn't say anything of the sort!

Erm…

I do see a correlation between crap tramp-stamps and other low-brow chavvy style things though.

From the Free Dictionary…

lowbrow [?l???bra?] Disparaging
n
a person who has uncultivated or nonintellectual tastes
adj also lowbrowed
of or characteristic of such a person
lowbrowism n

Low brow STYLE THINGS ie clothes, cars etc. Not people.

In any case, by that posted definition, lowbrow does not mean unintelligent.

Elaine – do me a favour, next time just post that you're thinking of joining the BNP, or putting a cat in a dustbin. It'll cause much less 'heated debate', I'm sure.

lowbrow does not mean unintelligent.

Jeebus Moley…

Adj. 1. nonintellectual – not intellectual

in·tel·lec·tu·al (ntl-kch-l)
adj.
a. Having or showing intellect, especially to a high degree. See Synonyms at intelligent.
b. Given to activities or pursuits that require exercise of the intellect.