tattoo yes or no ? lol

The tats in Quirrel's pictures are moot – without them it would still be

1) Yes

2) No

I can't be bothered to read all the preceeding procrastination, so I'll just ask have you decided yet?

Personally, I think there's nothing more beautiful than the smooth, clear, unblemished skin of a beautiful woman. I honestly don't know how anybody can deface such flawless perfection.

As I said earlier, if you think you can be improved with clipart, then you must have a low opinion of yourself. That's not mentioning the arrogance of anyone that thinks they can do better than the Divine Potter.

…Fact, of course.

;o)

if you think you can be improved with clipart

Not all tattoos are clip-art mate.

piedi di formaggio : i have a small henna tattoo on my arm at the monebt altho not the real thing (im growing to like it…tho in another few days it will have disappeared (not like a proper tattoo will never disappear…… ive wanted a tattoo (on abd off for over a year now ..what the heck is stopping me ? maybe i shud get one when im drunk (N0 ! just a joke ! 😉
im certainly on the trail for good tattooists after all i want it looking right !
im swaying more to 'yes' at the moment…

molgrips – Member
Not all tattoos are clip-art mate.

A) We're talking about a woman that wants "the lizard off page 34 in black please"
B) Some of the worst cases of self mutilation I've seen are when people with no skill, taste or talent design their own tattoos.

(Fact).

Neither of your points invalidate mine.

There are many many bad tattoos around, on this I agree, of course. That doesn't mean the concept is bad, just many of the implementations. There are some beautiful examples around too I think.

Fact remains, you should not consider people stupid just because you don't like something they did.

Fact remains, you should not consider people stupid just because you don't like something they did.

So you've never considered someone stupid for doing something you consider pointless or damaging?

If I shaved the top of my head and died the rest of my hair ginger, you'd probably think I was pretty stupid. I mean, you think I'm stupid on the basis that I have different values to yourself, so what the hell makes you think you should have a monopoly on thinking people are stupid???

i dont know about the others with tattoos… but i definately never thought tattoos would make me look better. what a very odd thing to assume 😕

shibboleth quote ("the lizard off page 34 in black please")
?????? who said i wanted it all black ? i will require some colour ! and maybe a little butterfly friend or two…
everyone is entitled to their opinions but 'shibb' is prob going over board now being Defensive on every page so far ! 😉

and maybe a little butterfly friend or two…

Elaine, try not to choose Flash Art Butterflies, get some custom art.

Elaine, try not to choose Flash Art Butterflies, get some custom art.

Don't be daft, she wants the ickle flutterby off of page 19 in pink with purple spots… 😉

How about a lily while you're at it… 🙄

lol oh dear shibb….you read my mind (lily)….
ohh im confused now !!! i shud just have a 'proper chat' with the tattooist to give him some idea of what i want then he in return can give me some options/ideas…. i think thats the best bet 😉

So you've never considered someone stupid for doing something you consider pointless or damaging?

I used to, but then I grew up and now I withhold judgement on people until I get to know them a bit better. I've learned in the last 20 years that you can't figure someone out just by looking at them, no matter how easy it would at first seem.

TooTall, I think you mean the "English language", rather than the "english language".

I did mean that and I even typed it – but I thought 'random' capitals in the middle of a sentence might startle the horses, given there were none where there might be some.

Here we go again. 🙄 I think people who have delusions of grandeur are stupid.

yes thats what id like to know ! why are people judged constantly on changes they make in their life….its rediculous really… we should all be free spirits and not worry what 'other people' think about us…
my thread is just 'opinion' based and just a 'general chat' really ( never thought it wud lead to a huge all out stupido war or that i wud be 'outcasted' by having a Tattoo ! lol 😉 😈

never thought it wud lead to a huge all out stupido war

You do realise you are on STW don't you?

yes thats what id like to know ! why are people judged constantly on changes they make in their life….its rediculous really… we should all be free spirits and not worry what 'other people' think about us…

Purile, childish codswallop. The fact remains that you can tell an awful lot about people from the way they look, and only an idiot would ignore visual cues when judging people.

And yes, I did actually say 'judging people', because we're all allowed to do it, and we all do it on a daily basis. Whether it's judging whether someone is fit to be left in charge of our children; to fix our cars; or to be our life partner.

This modern aversion to 'being judged' is typical of the current generation of idealistic bedwetters who, armed with their Open University sociology or psychology degrees and Jeremy Kyle on series link descend upon the 'real world' with absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer.

In my experience, those who have a chip on their shoulder about 'being judged' are the ones that come out badly when exposed to close scrutiny. Fact.

codswallop ? childish ? any chance you can crawl back into that tomb where you reside ? so "what if someone was covered head to toe in tattoos and 'you judged' them as a 'stupido idiotic' self harming person, and really they actually turned out to be the 'nicest person' you could ever meet up with …then 'you' have already degraded that person in your own mind for what 'you think' he/she is like as a person b4 you even get to chat with him/her…
thats totaly unfair of you shibboleth !!!!! be ashamed- be very ashamed ! 😈 i hate that in people- by just the way they look -they get tarred by someone immedietly without a care in the world… maybe you are alittle insecure of yourself ? 😉

In my experience, those who have a chip on their shoulder about 'being judged' are the ones that come out badly when exposed to close scrutiny. Fact.

But you have the issue with being judged? You don't want you or your busienss to be judged, so you don't employ people who you think don't fit. Like most people in business it's unlikely that you've ever found out from your clients/customers what is acceptable. YOU make assumtions based on your mis-guided perception of you and your product/service and your fear of being judged. Though maybe your business is unremarkable enough to give you good cause to fear being judged?

current generation of idealistic bedwetters who, armed with their Open University sociology or psychology degrees and Jeremy Kyle on series link descend upon the 'real world' with absolutely nothing worthwhile to offer.

so what contribution do you make to society Shib? what good deeds do you do for your fellow humans on a regular basis?

most of the people i see collecting for charity have tattoos and piercings, most of the nurses i know are the same… and so on and so on….

I don't have a problem with being judged at all iDave. I relish it and accept it as part of life and part of business.

My policy on appearance is to make it as benign as possible so it appeals to the widest gamut of customers.

I'm more than happy to be judged on appearance and I exploit the fact that myself and my staff are.

In my experience, conventions tend to exist for good reason and it's very immature to think that you can change conventions. Business is a numbers game, and it would be stupid to do anything other than try to stack the odds in your favour.

The fact remains that you can tell an awful lot about people from the way they look

What? How is this a fact?

Here's a pic of me – what am I like?

You are literally raving now.

of course you have a problem being judged – hence no staff with tattoos – surely that's in case they're judged as being stoopid?

medicore business is a numbers game. smart business is a pareto numbers game.

long may misguided conventions exist as they allow the smart guys to operate beyond them.

'what am I like?' – fond of carbs 😉

what am I like?

a bit chubby

so what contribution do you make to society Shib? what good deeds do you do for your fellow humans on a regular basis?

On a regular basis? I cycle 150 miles coast to coast each year to raise money for charity. This year we did it in 9.5hrs and raised around £14,000 for Cancer Research. Last time I raised a similar amount for the MND Society. At the moment, my company are working on 2 pro bono projects, one for the Rotary Club of Great Britain and one for a local Nature Reserve. These are annual projects. Are they regular enough?

As for your assertion that most charity collectors are tattood or pierced, that's a particularly stoopid thing to say, but if it's true, it's probably down to the fact that they can't get a proper job so collect money for charity for minimum wage.

Lol@iDave 🙂

The belly looks far worse in that pic because the pack belt is cinched in really really tightly to provide support. And in any case I've lost 3kg since then 🙂

Hmmm – OK but I tend to try and attract non-bland, non-middle-of-the-road clients, so I present myself in a way which will attract interesting people.

Surely spreading yourself out to attract 'The General Public' is exactly what they tell you not to do in marketing class one?!

Here's a pic of me – what am I like?

From this picture, I can tell that you have an adequate sperm count; struggle to maintain a healthy weight in spite of moderate exercise; you favour muted earth tones; and prefer to shop at Blacks and Millets rather than Hugo Boss or Emporio Armani. Fact.

Surely spreading yourself out to attract 'The General Public' is exactly what they tell you not to do in marketing class one?!

Jesus, which marketing school did you go to? One for Stoopids?

so cycling (a hobby you enjoy i'm guessing) for charity once a year and a couple of pro bono projects…

have to say im not impressed.

secondly making assumptions about others based on their jobs and/or appearance is

a particularly stoopid thing to say

half the people i know who collect money for charity are older people who have given up highly paid jobs to do something worthwile

nice avoidance on the nurses example!

I'm not trying to impress you Phil, merely proving you wrong. You assume me to be a completely selfish person who never does anything to help his fellow man. I've proved you to be wrong. Fact. 😉

this thread has gone from making me chuckle to making me feel a sense of dispair. before i leave and never return to this thread, shib.. what job do you do?

I think you have a point there iDave, I was thinking about the captain of industry who AdamG is. Have you not seen his many seminars on managing a business? He has the ability to turn customers into clients and simple photocopying into a professon!! I also imagine there are plenty larger, more successful businesses that employ people with tattoos. Even an ex-Prime Minister had one or two, so I don't think tattoos hold people back, except maybe those who want to work in a back street photocopy shop….

On a further note, he seems happy to display a particular attitude towards certain groups of society and full of bravado behind an anonymous internet name yet doesn't have the courage to post up his business name or web page (is it still one page of …..?) to allow people to judge the empire of which he is the god. After all calling people stupid for having tattoos isn't going to lose you any business, is it?

I also would have severe reservations about someone who either can't spell or doesn't have the pride to care what people think about them and their spelling. I certainly wouldn't employ someone who couldn't spell.

I really do feel quite sorry for him, normal social interaction seems to be beyond his capabilities and the only way he can get attention is by coming here with his silly little arguments. I guess this is how he gets his kicks. 🙄

before i leave and never return to this thread, shib.. what job do you do?

I run a graphic design company. See ya x

Shib – well done for kind of identifying my clothes (they are in fact from REI, I don't shop at Blacks or Millets) and I do more than moderate exercise.

But that's really not clever. What am I really LIKE. Am I stoopid or not? How do I feel on the big issues. What are my politics?

Come on Holmes, let's hear it. You can clearly judge so much from that picture I wanna know how you do it.

What am I really LIKE. Am I stoopid or not? How do I feel on the big issues. What are my politics?

I already know that you're very argumentative, smug, self-righteous, and you pride yourself on a misguided belief that you've somehow elevated yourself to a higher level of tollerance and understanding than anyone else, when really you're no different to the vast majority of other people.

You simply feed your own smugness by building a holier-than-thou 'online persona' which is little more than painting by numbers. Indeed, the picture you've chosen is very interesting, because you want to portray an image of the adventurous, well travelled explorer, as well as caring, UV-conscious family man. It's typical of the sort of picture your sort would use as a facebook profile pic. I suspect it was far more carefully considered than simply a random snap shot that you just happened to have lying about the place, and the fact that you're so proud of it tells me that what I've just outlined is exactly what you 'aspire' to be.

not really wishing to return the thread to its topic, but i had to bail on page 9…

how accurate is a good tattooist? could they get the barcode right for something like a bottle of Irn Bru or a multipack of quavers? could i scan myself in tescos?

no idea, i can tell you that a huge biker on the run from the american authorities for drug running, that happens to have all the gear in his front room is not accurate enough to allow the bar code to scan – cest la vie eh?
Of course having a tattoo done in a non sterile environment by an edgy stoned drug runner has its downsides – not least the explanation required to get a hep and hiv test

Of course having a tattoo done in a non sterile environment by an edgy stoned drug runner has its downsides – not least the explanation required to get a hep and hiv test

Of course, that's not in the slightest bit stoopid. 🙄

I was really rooting for him and hoping that he would admit to being a little narrow minded on this subject.. maybe apologetic but resolute..

but the hole is getting ever deeper and darker..