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  • STW Zwift Autumn Race Series 1
  • IvanDobski
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    stumpy01
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    Poopscoop
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    So how are people finding out if they have points?

    There’s a link to the Google results sheet on the last post of page 7.
    The points are in the far right column.

    scooba
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    Cracking stuff.

    Im on zwift as Steve Scott.

    Thought I’d played a blinder with an early sprint only to be caught right at the line. Not sure who as my 190 HR was making my vision shake.

    Can’t make next week, but looking forward to 2 weeks time.

    Poopscoop
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    Cheers stumpy!👍

    Drat, didn’t scrape a point, must try harder…and lose some lard.😁

    dangeourbrain
    Free Member

    I’m broken today. I clearly needed that more than I realised.

    Thanks again robbo

    oopnorth
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    Yeah Zwift riding this morning after last nights efforts was not the best idea, the legs were struggling.

    Shows how much we all put into it, looking forward to next week!

    weeksy
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    i tried but i didn’t go all in yesterday that’s for sure. If someone had kicked from the group 10km out i’d have gone too, but i wasn’t going to try on my own that’s for sure. Legs feel OK today but i’m planning on the week off with the dodgy hand and just doing the STW series as rides until the plaster comes off.

    robbo1234biking
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    Looks like it might have potentially been a wifi drop out that caused my issue. On the PC if wifi drops out it causes the game to freeze completely apparently. So in order to prevent disaster next week I have ordered a network cable and will hard wire the laptop. In addition I will add my wifes account onto the meetup list so if the PC crashes I can use her account to at least send messages!

    I made a couple of small errors on the results so if you notice anything let me know. THey will remain provisional for 48 hours after the race when they will change to final.

    Will work on the handicap for next week. It worked well and gave close results for the vast majority of riders but I think the fastest riders had too much to make up so I will adjust is slightly for that.

    Invite for next week should go out tonight.

    weeksy
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    I think the fastest riders had too much to make up so I will adjust is slightly for that.

    I agree, but that was always going to happen on the flat courses. Zwift is very favourable on the flat ones to slihgtly slower riders who can grab a wheel and hang on, so the As were never going to make up that ground. On next weeks i think they’d be closer.. but yeah, give them a bit back 🙂

    mrhoppy
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    Will work on the handicap for next week.

    I did the 7 days of tarmac ride on that loop recently, I think a few others did. Happy to drop you my times if it helps you with calibration.

    unclezaskar
    Free Member

    great stuff from all involved last night – it was really enjoyable in a strange way 🙂

    i’m hoping that jumping in at the deep end with Zwift and getting into the races is going to have a great benefit on my FTP and general fitness…I certainly need to improve after last nights performance..

    U.z.

    zilog6128
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    I think the fastest riders had too much to make up so I will adjust is slightly for that.

    not going to moan too much about the format given the results 😎 however I still think that a “chase” would be fairer to the faster (and indeed slower) riders as they’d get to benefit more from the draft effect, which as we saw was HUGE. As it was the mid-pack riders could just blob-up to exploit the draft, and even then the faster riders with more of a handicap would have to make a successful breakaway at some point (which is tough!) whereas slower riders just have to keep up with them for the “win”.

    It was great though, really enjoyed it! Awesome workout. Great that so many turned out too (where were all these people for the Team Time Trial? 🤔😂)

    phil56
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    I think the fastest riders had too much to make up so I will adjust is slightly for that.

    I wouldn’t change it – even though it meant I got pasted!

    If A cat riders need a competitive race with a podium place up for grabs there’s plenty of options available for that on Zwift already.

    The great thing about what you’ve put together here Robbo is how inclusive it is, with riders making their Zwift debut and joining in the pre and post race banter. Hopefully when folk see themselves further up the leader board than they expected it will motivate them to become regulars – maybe even join our Time Trial Team!

    I’m motivated to try and get at least a point next week having dropped thirty places in the handicap this time! I still get a great workout and it’s more enjoyable riding with you guys.

    This first event was a spectacular success – apart from the start (!) no changes required IMHO.
    Phil

    jeff
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    I really enjoyed that Robbo despite blowing up on the dam viaduct thing!

    Bit of a noob question, but the activity doesn’t show up as a race on ZwiftPower – is that because it’s not an official / open Zwift race?

    Oblongbob
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    Flat courses obviously favour heavy but fairly powerful riders, like me. 9 mins over such a short course did seem a lot though. Anyway, I’m happy with the result, and getting a few points. Any adjustments to handicap to make it easier for me are most welcome, but I don’t feel aggrieved!

    tpbiker
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    Thought it went well, i do however agree that the handicaps for the fastest folk are a bit unfair. Last night’s winner on the road came near the bottom of the handicap table. That said it’s never going to be an exact science and it’s only a bit of fun so who really cares!

    savoyad
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    I got caught out at the start. This format is punishing when you are on the back foot.

    – I tried to bridge to the front group as soon as I realised I had missed the boat. It was impossible. I got a personal 1 minute power record (by quite some margin, 354 or 4.8w/kg –> 414 or 5.6 w/kg) out of it before I sat up and settled back into…

    – …the group in poopscoop’s pictures above. that group rolled along nicely. I pushed on as we approached the aquaduct, hoping some of them might follow but ended up on my own. There were some solo rider ahead, but a big gap to the next group so after that I was really always more likely to get caught again than catch another group up the road.

    No complaints though – I might have scored no points, but I had a fun workout. And it was great to see so many familiar names in the sidebar. Thanks so much robbo for the immense effort you are putting into this.

    I very much enjoyed the race, especially the entertainment with the start. Was nice to not be on my own at the back for a few minutes, until S.Figg realised we had started and then easily dropped me.
    Will happily be the back marker for the rest of the series.
    Going to do another ramp test, don’t think the FTP I originally supplied is anywhere near what it is now (last taken 7th june).
    Cheers for organising this Robbo, see ya all next week.

    mahowlett
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    I enjoyed it last night too, thanks for organising it Robbo. I wouldn’t worry about the handicaps favouring the weaker riders just yet anyway, I suspect a lot of those used to riding on Zwift (me included until later in the race) hadn’t realised that the normal tactic of hiding in the best bunch you can, saving some energy for the sprint to get the best place, doesn’t help if the rest of the bunch gets less handicap applied. You need to get the fastest average speed for the whole race you can manage, whether that means constantly pushing your bunch to go faster or launching a solo attack from long range. Placing is irrelevant only average speed matters 🙂

    weeksy
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    until S.Figg realised we had started and then easily dropped me.

    I’ll be climbing with him next week matey, so if you can grab our wheel, come join us….

    IvanDobski
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    mahowlett
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    I enjoyed it last night too, thanks for organising it Robbo. I wouldn’t worry about the handicaps favouring the weaker riders just yet anyway, I suspect a lot of those used to riding on Zwift (me included until later in the race) hadn’t realised that the normal tactic of hiding in the best bunch you can, saving some energy for the sprint to get the best place, doesn’t help if the rest of the bunch gets less handicap applied. You need to get the fastest average speed for the whole race you can manage, whether that means constantly pushing your bunch to go faster or launching a solo attack from long range. Placing is irrelevant only average speed matters 🙂

    Yeah it’s a different type of racing – as I’ve said earlier, in the little group I was with I tried to split it a couple of times but it didn’t happen so we ended up in a sprint finish for position.

    Afterwards, I thought that in reality we would have been better TTTing to the finish to get the fastest time but even later I realised by finishing as a group I hadn’t made up any time on at least Weeksy so due to the handicapping he beat me to the points.

    Ideally I think you need to know who you’re grouped with on the road, who you need to (try to!) get rid of or stick to and race accordingly.

    Edit – when I say “at least Weeksy” I meant because I knew he had 15 seconds on me and I’ve ridden with him a fair bit so know his riding style etc. I don’t mean “at least Weeksy” as in he should have been the easiest to get rid of – as evidenced by not getting rid of him even though he had a broken scaphoid!

    weeksy
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    beaten by a 1 armed bandit…

    In other news… i’ve got CT scan on Fri and my arm gets longer term plaster…for 8 weeks !!!!!

    savoyad
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    To be fair @weeksy, more people were beaten by the one armed bandit than not yesterday!
    Hope your wrist is healing OK. Will you still be riding, or will the longer term plaster get in the way more?

    The winners in these races, especially the flatter ones, will be the “weakest” (on paper!) rider who can stay with the fastest group. And like @phil56 almost said up there somewhere: the weekly TTT is excellent training for exactly that…

    kevt
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    I also ended up in poopscoops group, didnt notice anyone going off the front so have ordered a tablet holder so that i can see whats happening ahead,  rather than just focussing on power numbers.  As it was my first race i underplayed it a bit will probably blow up next week half way up the hill, i did enjoy it, want some points though….unlikely for Innsbruck, at least i have ridden that course before!

    oopnorth
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    Ideally I think you need to know who you’re grouped with on the road, who you need to (try to!) get rid of or stick to and race accordingly.

    This. I’m looking at you Weeksy, DrP and Mr Hoppy 😉

    weeksy
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    Will you still be riding, or will the longer term plaster get in the way more?

    I’ll still be riding mate, although next Tues i’ll be cruising with Figg as no matter how hard i go up the KOM i can’t get a point in it, so will just go up at 2.2w/kg or so with my mate, i’ll then put a shift in the week after. There’s no reason the plaster will be any worse than the current one i have

    weeksy
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    Tell you lads what was interesting last night… Should maybe go in the other thread on Zwift, but as it’s related to last night, i’ll throw in here.

    I was riding using the phone and Zwift app over Bluetooth. Hence i don’t have cadence or HR on. But weirdly it also seemed to change where i was in the gearing too. Through that snakey section which was i think -1% i was spinning out on 40 11 gearing, normally that’s quite a tough gear to grind in even on a slight downhill. So a little strange it was different over BT than Ant+

    dangeourbrain
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    i was spinning out on 40 11 gearing, normally that’s quite a tough gear to grind in even on a slight downhill.

    Not sure that’s Bluetooth vs ant+ to be honest. I have odd days [same setup] where I’m pedaling like the clappers to hold the same power.

    I usually put it down to needing to calibrate or having left my turbo switched on and just waking it up.

    weeksy
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    I calibrate most times i use it, certainly before any races of interest.

    crust
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    “I’ll be climbing with him next week matey, so if you can grab our wheel, come join us….”

    Don’t believe a word of it.

    He gives it all of that then clears off. Whatsapp’d to find out where Mr “I’ll give you a draft, I’ll be cruising at 180w because of my wrist” had got to, no response. Then you see he’s smashing the sprints.

    Race you for the Lantern Rouge title.

    n0b0dy0ftheg0at
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    @weeksy Any chance your mobile Zwift app and your laptop Zwift have different “trainer difficulty” settings?

    If I’m thinking of the same “snakey” section, very undulating like parts of Titans Grove, it’s horrid to get into any sort of riding groove at 100% setting.

    tpbiker
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    The winners in these races, especially the flatter ones, will be the “weakest” (on paper!) rider who can stay with the fastest group

    Exactly this..I think after handicaps I was the leading cat A rider, however I’m also the cat A with the biggest handicap as my w/kg is bang on 4. So my plan was bust my balls for first 5 min to stick with the fast group and then hang in for rest, which when you are in the pack is not so hard to do. There was no way the 2 guys that went off the front were going to put 2+ minutes into the chase group yesterday so all I had to do was sit in and I’d score some good points.

    That said, when I say sit in I still had to put in the highest watts per kilo of all the chase pack just to keep up with them. So the likelihood of me ever being able to attack off the front is absolutely zero.

    Cheers Crust, will try to hang on with you and weeksy but can here the lantern calling my name.

    nixie
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    There was no way the 2 guys that went off the front were going to put 2+ minutes into the chase group yesterday

    Yeah that wasn’t going to happen however if there had been 2 more with us at a similar power we possibly could have.

    svladcjelli
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    Where were all these people for the Team Time Trial?

    In my defence, I did finish fortieth out of forty-five last night (and fourth-last after the handicap applied). Hardly the sort of help needed in a TTT.

    I am hoping to improve next Tuesday if I can find my lucky socks.

    IvanDobski
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    The TTT does get a bit spicy for me as a Cat C, generally get dropped after the 3/4 mark or on any sort of half decent climb – I was wondering if there’d be any takers for a Cat C/D team from the STWZARS riders?

    dandasbike
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    I’d have a wobble in cat c. I really don’t know what I’m doing though as I not done a race just a week ago. Last night was good fun though

    dangeourbrain
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    STWZARS riders?

    Single Track World Zwift Attributable Respiratory Syndrome?

    I really don’t know what I’m doing though

    Sounds like you’re a perfect fit for our team to be honest. Heck I still have stabilisers on my turbo.

    robbo1234biking
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    If anyone else wants to join in next weeks event entries are now open again. Send me a PM or post on here with your FTP and weight and I will get you added on to the list.

    Thanks

    weeksy
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    I was wondering if there’d be any takers for a Cat C/D team from the STWZARS riders?

    YEah. I’d be much happier being in a TTT where i’m actually able to contribute to the team rather then just dying 1000 deaths trying not to get dropped.
    Sorry if that sounds unfair fellas.. but it’s a bit demoralising just being destroyed in 2km of hanging on.

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