Scottish independence- where do you stand?

Yeah but that is now, and the first post-independence elections are a long way away. By the time they roll around, some existing parties will reconstitute as Scottish only parties, some new parties will emerge, and some will disappear or amalgamate with new parties (Tories?), and all of them will be able to blame anything that’s gone wrong on the SNP. There’s no reason to assume Salmond would even get the top job in an independent Scotland.

epicyclo – Member
dragon – Member
As opposed to all those Celtic supporters who could be rounded up and shipped back to Ireland? …
We’d need them to train as Dementors…

Or perhaps we could put them on the other side of the fence too, and chuck a football between the 2 groups.

Fully agree about how much better this place would be without either group. Scotland, the land of the diddy club. Sounds magic! Maybe there will be an attempt at a removal of the large chip from your collective shoulders! 😛

seosamh77 – Member
Scotland, the land of the diddy club. Sounds magic! Maybe there will be an attempt at a removal of the large chip from your collective shoulders!

Definition of a well-balanced Scot – a man with a chip on both shoulders… 🙂

Good riddance.

Troll score 1.75/10

Nice and abrupt though, I’ll give you that. But hardly original.

Ranting is a much underused technique. It’s far more amusing.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/u/u/new-indyref-poll-yes-27-no-56-dont-know-17.1385899472
Actually, this is just the Sunday Wail poll already posted.

http://www.moneysavingexpert.com/poll/02-12-2013/should-scotland-be-an-independant-country

The MSE one is interesting, as I ties in with my stereotype of ‘on average’ who would vote yes and who would vote no.

That said, MSE felt the need to post this

Note: We have detected unusual voting patterns on the ‘I live in Scotland’ vote – inc a disproportionate number of Scottish voters (even taking into account the topic). Its likely there’ve been email/social media campaigns to drum up voters. So the result may be far from representative.

Ummm,……

Another example of not only why we need independence, but why the Westminster system is broken:

http://newsnetscotland.com/index.php/scottish-politics/8428-fury-after-unelected-peers-strip-power-from-scotland

The House of Lords, an unelected body, passed an amendment to strip powers from the Scottish Parliament, without consulting the Scottish government.

Anyone still think a No vote would lead to greater devolution?

SD-253

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Good riddance.

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piemonster – Member
Troll score 1.75/10

Nice and abrupt though, I’ll give you that. But hardly original

As one jock said to me “I would never buy an English man a drink” obviously after I had bought him one. Also “I would never give a English man a job” he was working for an English firm in Lincolnshire. Murray’s xenophobic remarks says it all. GOOD RIDDANCE

And the sooner the better.
For those who don’t quite comprehended what xenophobic means. We will give you a free University education as long as your not a English.

As one jock said to me “I would never buy an English man a drink” obviously after I had bought him one…

…and called him a jock?

For those who don’t quite comprehended what xenophobic means. We will give you a free University education as long as your not a English.

I’m guessing that wasn’t the only reason you failed to get a place 😀

The other day I saw a Scottish flag flying in a garden in Lincolnshire, what would happen if you flew an english flag in Scotland? How long would it be before they torched your house?

We will give you a free University education as long as your not a English.

Chin up, cock, your oppressed English kids might get a cheap quality Scottish uni education under EU reciprocity rules if Scotland goes independent.

The other day I saw a Scottish flag flying in a garden in Lincolnshire, what would happen if you flew an english flag in Scotland? How long would it be before they torched your house?

Are you confusing Scotland with Afghanistan?

Some brave souls do sometimes put up english flags:

GrahamS – Member

For those who don’t quite comprehended what xenophobic means. We will give you a free University education as long as your not a English.
I’m guessing that wasn’t the only reason you failed to get a place
What makes you think I would ever want to go to that disgusting country? I did my degree in Manchester or are you suggesting that I have no right to opinion unless I have degree (no doubt in sociology)

5thElefant – Member
The other day I saw a Scottish flag flying in a garden in Lincolnshire, what would happen if you flew an english flag in Scotland? How long would it be before they torched your house?

Are you confusing Scotland with Afghanistan don’t think so

We will give you a free University education as long as your not a English.

You can get this if your English. Its about where you live, not your nationality.

SD-253 – Member
5thElefant – Member
The other day I saw a Scottish flag flying in a garden in Lincolnshire, what would happen if you flew an english flag in Scotland? How long would it be before they torched your house?
Are you confusing Scotland with Afghanistan

don’t think so
nope the Scots would be arguing over who went to buy the petrol and matches 😉

SD-253 – Member

For those who don’t quite comprehended what xenophobic means. We will give you a free University education as long as your not a English.

I’ll field this one…

Free education for those permanently resident in scotland, so there is nothing preventing an english child from receiving a fully funded scottish degree. Residence is all that counts, not nationality, so that alone makes a nonsense of the xenophobia claim.

Also, it’s not just the english- same applies for the welsh, northern irish, oh and as a minor consideration the entire rest of the world (outwith the EU)

The only oddity is that we’re legally obliged to fund EU applicants. This wouldn’t be done if we had a choice, so it’d be daft to blame the scottish government for it. But even then the numbers we’re talking about here are small- so the reality isn’t “EU students get a free scottish degree”, it’s “most EU applicants get nowt”

[/quote] konabunny – Member

Chin up, cock, your oppressed English kids might get a cheap quality Scottish uni education under EU reciprocity rules if Scotland goes independen

l doubt it I am sure they will find ways round it. And who is paying for there cheap education? The sooner we get rid of the blood sucking leaches the better. The whining just gets right on my nerves

Inspiring moments of despair at the human race coming to a lunch break near you.

Northwind, not sure there is any point in making rational arguments to this guy…..

Better quality ranting though, top marks.

The only oddity is that we’re legally obliged to fund EU applicants.

Wrong way around, the oddity is you refuse English, Welsh and N. Irish.

If you are part of the EU you have to fund EU applicants.

SD-253 – Member
The other day I saw a Scottish flag flying in a garden in Lincolnshire, what would happen if you flew an english flag in Scotland? How long would it be before they torched your house?

If it was legal, I’d torch anyones house that flew a flag.

The only oddity is that we’re legally obliged to fund EU applicants.

Wrong way around, the oddity is you refuse English, Welsh and N. Irish.

If you are part of the EU you have to fund EU applicants.

…..or this guy…..

piemonster – Member
We will give you a free University education as long as your not a English.
You can get this if your English. Its about where you live, not your nationality

ie in England no in the rest of the EU yes. The Scottish government are not being stopped from allowing the English free education they just choose to do it.

. Northwind – Member The only oddity is that we’re legally obliged to fund EU applicants. This wouldn’t be done “if we had a choice”

. As stated you have got a choice you choose not to take it.

bigjim – Member
Some brave souls do sometimes put up english flags:

couple of fannies would be a more apt.

On the old Scots are anti English front.

4 years next May here, still waiting. If anything really stands out, it’s that in general the Scots I’ve met have been friendlier and more welcoming than was ever expected.

I’m sure idiots exist, but they exist everywhere.

I’m sure idiots exist, but they exist everywhere.

As demonstrated by SD-253

dragon – Member

Wrong way around, the oddity is you refuse English, Welsh and N. Irish.

No, the oddity is that we fund anyone at all who’s not resident here. It would be odd to offer a free education to rUK applicants coming here to study, when the rUK government has decided to charge Scottish applicants going there.

robbespierre – Member

Northwind, not sure there is any point in making rational arguments to this guy…..

Not specifically talking to him, just addressing the argument which seems depressingly common.

I did my degree in Manchester or are you suggesting that I have no right to opinion

No I’m suggesting that Manchester clearly has lower entrance requirements 😀

The only oddity is that we’re legally obliged to fund EU applicants. This wouldn’t be done if we had a choice,

Northwind, this argument is mince, since Scotland doesn’t have a choice if it is a signed up member of the EU. Scotland could only not fund EU students if it wasn’t a memeber of the EU.

SeeEU link

.GrahamS – Member
I did my degree in Manchester or are you suggesting that I have no right to opinion
No I’m suggesting that Manchester clearly has lower entrance requirements

As in the English are inferior? Nothing like a bit of jock xenophobia

SD-253 – Member
What did the University students say to the UKIP leader when he went to Scotland “your not welcome here scum” or was it “your not welcome in our country scum” kind of sums up the Scottish

id say it kind of sums up UKIP

seosamh77 – Member
SD-253 – Member
“your not welcome in our country scum” kind of sums up the Scottish
Nigel Farrage? Quite right too

Says it all

Ahh I get it now!

SD-253 is actually Nigel Farage

Been to any pubs in Edinburgh lately Nige?

SD-253 – Member
seosamh77 – Member
SD-253 – Member
“your not welcome in our country scum” kind of sums up the Scottish
Nigel Farrage? Quite right too
Says it all

says what? you cannot call scots xenophobic, then back nigel friggin farrage to the hilt. Get a grip of yourself.

Yeah, that horrible racist english student who was arrested for protesting against UKIP in Edinburgh… Farage wasn’t welcome, but not because of racism, because he’s a shitehawk.