Rugby world cup

I’ve seen England, Wales, Ireland, NZ, Aus, France do plenty of off the ball stuff like that too

SHOW US YOUR SAUCES copyright Alfie Thomas just before keeling over

See here.
Where it says apart from citing commissioners the teams can bring to the commissioners attention anythign they don’t like.

Team Referral

Teams may refer incidents of alleged Illegal and/or Foul Play to the Citing Commissioner for review within 12 hours of the conclusion of the Match but only the Citing Commissioner has the power to cite a Player.

Seems a decent coach. Aye. Agreed.

I’ll never warm to him personally. I’m sure he’ll get over that though. 🙂

I’ll never warm to him personally.

he’s a kiwi, a lot of them are like that 😆

I cant see england beating france

Hardly “desperate” anti-English vitriol really.But obviously you feel differently.
FWIW I can’t see England,despite all their resources and player numbers getting past either France or ANY of the tri-nations,massive under-achievement IMO. Anti-English? or a judgement based on recent and current form? The latter actually,not that you will believe that,guess I am just a bitter sweaty,yes?

duckman I hadn’t included you in my list, given that you said

The English as best of the home nations (giving TJ somebody to be secretly proud of) Us? qualification from the group stages would be ace!

Even though you might be wrong….

Naughty Americans in trouble. Most deserved citing I’ve seen for a long time. Which was a real shame as up to that point I thought USA were heading somwhere.

In my defence that statement was made before Wales had got into the Saffers. Based on first week(ish) Wales,England and us and the Emerald Stranglers in joint third.

Naughty Americans in trouble. Most deserved citing I’ve seen for a long time

Was that the late shoulder barge on the winger?
Was bad, but not that bad, surely?

Digby’s out until quarter finals. My fave player 😥

Was bad, but not that bad, surely?

It cannot be excused as a late shoulder charge, it was a deliberate off the ball charge, possible overreaction on my part. I just didn’t like the look of it, it wasn’t a manly punch or a proper head to head. A shoulder barge is a bit of chicken manoeuvre, maximum damage whilst protecting himself. Not cricket. Probably revealed my anti american bias, it seemed a bit American.

Ffffarking ITV!! An ad break after the anthem/haka? Why not? One short advert and two idents for sponsors IBM. Infuriating!

Sshhh! I’m watching the stream 🙂

I thought the shoulder charge was well worth a yellow during the game. It was cynical.

Hot knife through butter at the moment.

Japan duly despatched but was a good game to watch, Sonny Bill with a few good touches Ma’Nonu as destructive as ever. Carters replacement not all that. Japenese are great to watch never give up.

I am quite amazed that the regular posters are justifying themselves to Toys19 for being/not being anti-English! 🙄

Toys19 – if you actually bothered to watch NZ v Japan this morning you may have noticed that in the few minutes before the kick off we had to have an update on the English team. Not the British teams, of which there are 4. The English team. To be honest, I don’t want them talking about any the home nations, I want the talk to be about the game in question, in this case NZ v Japan. It really irritates me that every analysis in every game spirals back to England.

In The Times today there are 5 pages devoted to RWC. 4 of them are devoted to the English team. Not a mention of Wales, Scotland or Ireland, despite the other games this weekend. Despite Ireland playing a vital game tomorrow.

Now, I know that the majority of the population are English, but I’d suggest that there are also a huge number of watchers who don’t give a monkey’s chuff about how many pints Mike Tindall was drinking, or that they went bungee jumping. As I’ve said before, this aggravates me big time and is one of the reaons it always amuses me to see bigged up English teams lose.

What you seem to want is that we take away historical rivalries, sporting or otherwise. Take away the little country v big country syndrome. Ah but we can’t because that is the way sport works. That’s what makes it interesting. Without any of that you just have two anodyne teams playing each other with no rivalry, and the only interest is on the technical side.

And really, if you think that you can read ANY rugby forum and not see rivalry displayed between fans of different teams then you are very naive.

There has been no bigotry, no nastiness, just fairly gentle ribbing.

Anyway back to rugby.

NZ managed to hammer Japan this morning without looking all that great. They didn’t seem to dominate the proceedings although alway looking as if they were going to win, if that isn’t a total contradiction. 😉

Slade looks quite poor. (I can’t remember ever thinking he’s a particularly good player when I’ve watched S15 or NZ cup games. Maybe I’ve missed the relevant games). I’m amazed that a country with the rugby resources of NZ have a player this poor as back up for Carter.

NZCol, what’s the local opinion of Aaron Cruden? His last few games seemed rather good?

gentle ribbing.

😉

Toys19 – if you actually bothered to watch NZ v Japan this morning you may have noticed that in the few minutes before the kick off we had to have an update on the English team

I caught the england update and the kick off but then I had to go to a meeting, I resent your implication that I don’t bother to watch the games, I’ve seen most of the 7:30 am onwards games. I wonder if your ESP monitoring of my viewing habits is on the blink?

If you go to Wales, Scotland or Ireland you will find excellent coverage of your national teams, in England what do you expect.

It isn’t the English’s fault that many welsh people think that Wales cannot produce a decent enough national paper that they see fit to buy the telegraph. Try a local paper or tv channel, this is a red herring.

I like the rivalry, but I can’t stand the ABE attitude, you don’t find it’s converse in England we always support our neighbours. I never said bigotry or nastiness, that’s your projection of it. But I do think that ABE is bitter behaviour. You lot drop the ABE and I’ll happily take the gentle ribbing. I like it. In fact AA and I had a decent discussion about 16 pages back but gradually the ABE creeps back in.

in England we always support our neighbours

I’ve got to call bullcarp on that one, I’m afraid.

It’s *banter*, though. Deal with it.

CFH I always do. Except recently when I like to wind TJ up, but the reality is I feel inclusive of the home nations and see them as representing all of us. I still want to beat Scotland, Wales, Ireland but I want them to beat anyone else.

BTW, both my parents are irish, I have an irish surname and an irish passport (and an english one), but I was born and bred in devon, so I feel english through and through. I tried to support ireland agaisn’t england once (not long after I got my irish passport) couldn’t do it.

I like banter. Just don’t like ABE.

If you go to Wales, Scotland or Ireland you will find excellent coverage of the English national team in Britain what do you expect? FIFY.

in England we always support our neighbours

No we tend to support the underdog – which is often our neighbours 😆

However, idlejon get with the program and stop reading the papersMurdoch’s mouthpiece.
Online I find the coverage quite balanced; each country has newsfeeds dedicated to them.

I’m bad though & keep missing games (apart from England) due to work and taking my son to play rugby. Then the family seem to think that X-Factor and Strictly are better family viewing than watching the games on itv-player 👿

ABE reached a bit of a peak after the World Cup win and ensuing influx of ignorant bandwagoners – the same people who were booing their own England side at Twickenham when the wheels fell off the wagon.

There is always an extra edge when the celtic nations play England but I think there is a lot less ABE sentiment than their used to be. Any successful team is going to have its knockers, apparently Ireland have massive support from the Kiwi fans ahead of the Aussie game tomorrow morning.

In terms of media coverage, its all down to population numbers, there are far more people interested in England than anybody else. Given that rugby is a minority sport, we also have top accept that there are far more people interested in the idea of the England captain having married into the Royal family and then gone on the lash and motorboated some bird in a bar.

duckman try here I don’t see england being mentioned on the frontpage. My mother in law (a true jack, Sandfields born and bred) has this as her homepage. Are you looking in the wrong place?

anagallis_arvensis – Member

I hate the way they squander their rugby talent and play clueless rugby based on the mistaken belief they are more powerful than everyone else rahter than try and develop a game to suit their players.

What do you think it’s like being English then? We hate it even more! It’s S-O-O-O-O frustrating!

Actually the best thing about being an English rugby fan is that we can patronisingly support all the Celtic nations but also laugh at any of our Scottish/Irish/Welsh mates when they lose. It’s win/win!

Nope, I was talking about the tv coverage.

well there are 51 million in england, about 84% of the population, so I guess you could ask ITV to devote 16% of their general chit chat to wales/scotland. It does seem unfair but then 84% of the population seems like the sensible lot to appeal to. You have your welsh tv in fact I note on S4c tonight at 9pm there is a whole program of Jonathan Davies devoted to discussing Gatlands warriors. And there is a shit load more here. I envy the welsh coverage, we have to put up with itv’s crap output. I wish the beeb were running the show. Actually i envy the welsh attitude to rygbi, I’ll bet a greater percentage of the welsh population follow rygbi than the crappy english who love wendyball. Yuck.
So sorry duckman you have plenty of rugby coverage, null complaint I’m afraid.

In fact I note that S4c gets

S4C is financed from its advertising revenue and a fixed annual grant from the UK Department for Culture, Media and Sport (DCMS), receiving £94m of funding in 2007.[15] In addition, some Welsh-language programming (including Newyddion and Pobol y Cwm) is produced by BBC Wales as part of the BBC’s public service remit, and provided to S4C free of charge. S4C is controlled by the Welsh Fourth Channel Authority (Welsh: Awdurod Sianel Pedwar Cymru or Awdurdod S4C), an independent body unconnected to Ofcom which regulates other UK television channels such as ITV or Channel 4.
From 2013, responsibility for funding S4C will begin to transfer to the BBC, with the DCMS reducing its funding by 94% by 2015.[16] The BBC will provide around £76m of funding to S4C by this date, resulting in a cut of around 25% to S4C’s annual budget.[17]

Which is about 32 quid per welshman from the BBC. Now as a proportion of the licence fee that is like a 21% refund, which considering you only represent 5% of the population is a good deal for you, I’m sure you will agree. Especially given that you also get BBC wales etc. Seems like a good deal. Ask your legislature to hassle the welsh broadcasters to up the amount of rugby they cover.

We also have freeview access to the Pro12 wheras the Premiership is all subscription-based apart from the highlights shows.

Is that on S4c? I think I get s4c in devoniashire. Hmmmmmmm

So to sum up, what you are saying is that we should accept that the ITV are perfectly justified in putting up the latest bit of news on,say Lewis Moody’s knee, at half-time during a Scotland game. And likewise the ex England players with their “us” and “we” during matches which don’t involve England because you have a bigger population? Is that also why when we have players from the Premiership playing for their home nations it needs mentioning every 10mins?(Aparently Tuilangi plays in the English premiership)I would be willing to bet that if the nationality of the posters on this thread is anything to go by, MUCH less than 84% of the viewing audience is English.

So to sum up, what you are saying is that we should accept that the ITV are perfectly justified in putting up the latest bit of news on,say Lewis Moody’s knee, at half-time during a Scotland game. And likewise the ex England players with their “us” and “we” during matches which don’t involve England because you have a bigger population? Is that also why when we have players from the Premiership playing for their home nations it needs mentioning every 10mins?(Aparently Tuilangi plays in the English premiership)I would be willing to bet that if the nationality of the posters on this thread is anything to go by, MUCH less than 84% of the viewing audience is English.

YES.

Only because as I have demonstrated that the welsh have had this imbalance redressed through the local media and more importantly S4c. In fact I have since discovered that S4c are showing the rygbi on sunday morning, and you can get english commentary on the red button (if you haven’t bothered to learn your own language) and it’ll be welsh biased. You lucky devils. I wish we had S4E.

Would you rather you did not have this lovely resource? Come on just face it you have to accept that because you are in a minority that a lot of the time you will be ignored, but at least the BRITISH govt has tried to address this by funding welsh tv. Just don’t bloody watch itv, its crap anyway. I wonder if S4c will be showing the england game, I’ll bet the coverage will be better.

Why do the English get so pissed off when we dont support them? I couldnt give a flying **** if the English support us or not but I reserve my right to want to see our most local and fierce rivals fail at every opportunity.

Why do the English get so pissed off when we dont support them?

Because we I support you so wholeheartedly you ungrateful sod.

*Edited due to Toys editing his! 🙂 *

Now, can we please get back to the rugby? This is getting to be like a soccer thread, and we don’t want to sink to those levels now do we?

😉

flash I edited it myself..

Yep I’ll say no more on this topic, only if you post I picture of yourself holding a piece of paper saying, if they are not playing wales then I support england. Same goes for AA and Teej.

Personally, i could never support Scotland although i do have a sneaking admiration for the way Wales play – although i feel dirty afterwards! 😛

Look, it’s all part of the fun, i quite enjoy the ABE mentality as it makes the anguish from certain quarters more piquant!

I mean, being hated by the Welsh is rather like being savaged by a dead sheep…* (with apologies to Geoffrey Howe for those old enough to remember)

*I thought this would work better with Wales than Scotland.

Another vote for S4C as well, ITV coverage with it’s insistent and incessant mention of England annoys me too.

toys19 – Member

If you go to Wales, Scotland or Ireland you will find excellent coverage of your national teams, in England what do you expect.

I’d posted quite a long reply but deleted it because I just noticed that bold section above.

I assume that you are trolling or you just don’t understand the difference between England and Britain? It makes anything else you say absolutely pointless.

But, two more points.

It isn’t the English’s fault that many welsh people think that Wales cannot produce a decent enough national paper that they see fit to buy the telegraph. Try a local paper or tv channel, this is a red herring.

Crap. The Times, Independent, whatever, are national papers covering events anywhere in the UK. Again there shouldn’t be any bias. Local papers cover local things. Of course I’ll pick up the Western Mail if I want a 100% Welsh view of things. Why should I then hunt out a Scottish paper to get an idea of what’s going on with their team. Again, an anglocentric view of the world.

You lot drop the ABE and I’ll happily take the gentle ribbing. I like it. In fact AA and I had a decent discussion about 16 pages back but gradually the ABE creeps back in.

Tell you what, post to some actual anti Englishness, and I’ll believe you. And I don’t mean pathetic attempts to say that ‘I cant see england beating france‘ this is anti anything. It’s an opinion. If I say that SA are likely to beat Fiji tomorrow does that make me a fascist?

Posting a page from a Welsh rugby frontpage is errrm strange. Once again either you are being unbelievably stupid or just trolling.

DaRC_L – Member

However, idlejon get with the program and stop reading the papersMurdoch’s mouthpiece.

Th only non-tabloid in the local shop this morning. Apologies, won’t do again! 😳 The Independent is normally even worse though.

If there is anybody looking to watch Pro12 games on the likes of S4C you can usually get all the UK freeview channels on Sky boxes and Freeview, you just have to go into the settings and seek out the more obscure channels and set them up.

if they are not playing wales then I support england. Same goes for AA and Teej.

I never support England and pretty much always want them to loose because of the shite style of rugby they seem to revel in.