Richmond Park road rage nutjob..

JY – once we’re onto

‘I’m going to ignore your point but what about this unrelated thing that some members of group X do that’s wrong, Eh? Eh?’

responses it’s time to walk away…

Hey i’m not condoning the way the guy drove, i’m just saying the cyclist overreacted. If it were me i would have just driven on the other side of the road. I try and leave at least a metre between me and the cyclist, not just a foot like this guy did. He’s a cock there’s no doubt about it but what followed made both of them look bad.

I watched a programme last night where a German girl had been run over by a lorry. It crushed her pelvis and severed her artery. They cut her chest open on the side of the road, one guy clamped her aorta with his fingers while the other guy massaged her heart in his hand. In the end she died.

I don’t know what happened before the accident but having seen that and seen what road rage does to people i’d think twice before getting involved with a 2.8 tonne car. Where did shouting get him? He is lucky the crazy Aussie didn’t mow him down.

EDIT heeds was advice

When the driver made his initial overtake, he actually clipped the cyclist with his wing mirror. Its at this point the cyclist first shouts.

Notice the driver straighten the mirror near the end of the clip? That’s from the initial collision, before anyone says anything.

I didn’t see that. I thought that had occurred during the exchange that followed

Dev/Rich I think you’re probably wasting your time.

I’m on the stw forum during the daytime…

So obviously this is why it’s OK for cyclists to run red lights and pull out suddenly in front of people, because they are so small and vulnerable that they couldn’t possibly do any damage.

Get back to reading the Daily Mail and voting UKIP. Yes, this is why I’m wasting my time arguing against people who are cyclists but insist on dragging up this hackneyed phrase. Go on, accuse him of not paying road tax now!

on one level it isnt the fault of the driver, hold fire, dont shoot me yet.

the problem is actually the road they are on.
I used it on my commute for 2 years. Its narrow.
Its also popular as a route in/out of Richmond park for cyclist. Cycling has grown in popularity and there are now more cycles on this road.
Car drivers are often overtaking a long line of cycles into the park and looking for gaps in oncoming traffic to do this.
The cycle lane is pants and its only on one side, it doesnt meet the needs of commuting cyclists.
The above creates pinch points all along this road.
The road needs redesigning – take out the useless bike lane, widen the road and put in cycle lanes on both sides with dotted or solid lines. Repair the holes in the road.

This said the driver was a complete see you next tuesday. He drove poorly and with no consideration for the cyclists using this road. He then mouthed off and was completely out of order.

We should stop debating the symptoms and action a cure, fix the roads.

Standard response isn’t it, shows a lack of imagination.

There is definitely a big issue that keeps on getting bigger with the interaction between vehicles and bikes on the ever busier roads and due to the limitations on our infrastructure there are not many options to alleviate it. The rise in anti-social driving is becoming alarming too.

There is however an equally alarming rise in confrontational and aggressive cyclists who donn their weekend warrior outfits complete with go-pro and seem to go looking for trouble. Youtube is now littered with channels of these unsung heroes shouting abuse at cars and pedestrians whilst in reality not cycling in a responsible manner. It is a shared environment and most people on her will be on both sides of the fence from experience.

I was making the point that cyclists are nowhere near perfect.

We are all on STW …do you think we need this pointing out to us ?

Once more you beat the straw men to death as no one has actually claimed all cyclists are perfect

Even though this fact is true it has no bearing on who was right or wrong in this incident so bringing it up is irrelevant.

Youtube is now littered with channels of these unsung heroes shouting abuse at cars and pedestrians whilst in reality not cycling in a responsible manner.

You should watch some Russian dash cams, that’s what all drivers are like.

We should stop debating the symptoms and action a cure, fix the roads

Absolutely true but until that happens, if ever, then we need to also deal with the symptoms; both antagonistic cyclists (yes, they exist) and idiots in death chariots.

Kind of like saying that the way to prevent the spread of HIV is to develop a vaccine. Might be true but we shouldn’t stop using condoms in the meantime.

Small ones, in some cases, obviously.

Small ones, in some cases, obviously.

FNAAAR!

TiPinMan is right about the infrastructure but the best way to fix it is with a set of concrete bollards at all the park entrances

cars only drive down there because they are trying to shorten a journey by 1/2 a mile and this video proves that cars are too big, too numerous, too fast – no longer appropriate for a public park

Standard response isn’t it, shows a lack of imagination.

as is/does “well cyclists jump red lights”

the problem is actually the road they are on.

certainly a large factor, unfortunately the drivers seem to (certainly did in this case) take it out on the cyclist instead of writing to their council. A bit of sweeping generalisation ahead but… cyclists can see and identify crap road design, none cycling drivers seem to only see “there’s a cyclist in my way!!!!”

We should stop debating the symptoms and action a cure, fix the roads

Disagree. Well, partly. If all drivers were nice and courteous, the roads would all be fine. Don’t shift blame away from the arseholes, they are the guilty ones.

That’s like blaming a dodgy door for a burglary. It’s still the burglar’s fault!

This thread has gone downhill from after about page 8. Newcomers can’t be arsed to read all the way through so are repeating the same already refuted rubbish.

So, what about a competition? Send in your best ‘homage’ videos showing some shortarse beardy berk in a tight leather jacket going apesh1t about something random. While dancing a crap Hakka around a 4×4. Extra points for wearing a mask of the offender while doing it.

I reckon the Germans have been waiting for something like this. You know the famous scene from the film ‘Der Untergang’ where Hitler rants about stuff and non-German speaking people make memes with subtitles that tell a different story. I can imagine them doing that with this video!

Standard response isn’t it, shows a lack of imagination.

Oh the ironing

on one level it isnt the fault of the driver, hold fire, dont shoot me yet.

the problem is actually the road they are on.

I’m not shooting you, because you make a well reasoned argument, but there’s a flaw in your argument. The fact the road could be improved is irrelevant to whether it is the fault of the driver. I’m sure that despite the limitations of the road it is possible to drive down there in a manner which isn’t aggressive or unsafe towards cyclists – in fact it’s incredibly easy to do so.

So yes, it would be possible to improve the road, and that would help prevent aggressive (drugged up?) drivers from being a danger, but fundamentally that’s not the problem.

I didn’t see that. I thought that had occurred during the exchange that followed

ah, no, you are right, its when the driver cut back in.

So, what about a competition? Send in your best ‘homage’ videos showing some shortarse beardy berk in a tight leather jacket going apesh1t about something random. While dancing a crap Hakka around a 4×4. Extra points for wearing a mask of the offender while doing it.

I was thinking (and mentioned a few pages ago) a mash of this video and the one on their website, but got stuck with trying to extract their website video. Anybody with better skills at that who could help?

Well said LHS, someone who is intelligent enough to see the argument from both perspectives.

As opposed to:

I just wanted to be a Troll for 5 minutes.

agree with reducing traffic in cities, everyone likes a quiet clean and safe place to live no?

maybe something like the removal of non trade and thru traffic from many areas and pedestrianize others along with a proper reliable and affordable public transport network?

many cities seem to have failed miserably in terms of transport management and pretend that it is not getting worse.

oh, and enforcement of the existing traffic laws so all road users do not let their standards slip to the digraceful level I am sure we all witness and probably even exhibit ourselves daily 😳

Well done you used intelligent correctly and it was intelligible

RESULT
😀

Now can we get you to stop bringing up pointless and irrelevant information in your assessment….I fear this is for another day.
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I’ve finally got round to watching that, and I have no issue at all with the cyclists behaviour/verbals. He’s quite clearly flooded with adrenaline and you can hear the distress in his voice, in contrast to the driver who is pure anger.

Now can we get you to stop bringing up pointless and irrelevant information in your assessment….I fear this is for another day.

Are you really that argumentative, or do you just get off on exhibiting archaic and bullying discussion techniques?

You also need to look up the word intelligible.

The words “straw man” have been used, close the thread.

Agreed.

or do you just get off on exhibiting archaic and bullying discussion techniques?

Clearly I have yet to reach the skilful, diplomatic and measured conciliatory tones that you exhibit

He is a troll just ignore him LHS. A pathetic trouble maker.

With regards to the distress in the cyclists voice, I didn’t hear that distress when the guy was in his car and he shouts “oh come on”. Only when the he gets out and threatens to knock his teeth down his throat (lovely). THEN he is distressed. Mind you I’d be distressed at that point, and probably wishing I hadn’t made such a f*cking big deal out of it in the first place.

He is a troll just ignore him LHS. A pathetic trouble maker.

I prescribe a course of self-awareness.

Mind you I’d be distressed at that point, and probably wishing I hadn’t made suck a f*cking big deal out of it in the first place.

Having a two three-tonne lump of metal aimed at you is a big deal.

Quite, it’s in response to the aggression from the driver, but it’s after that this his (the cyclists) impolite, although in my opinion excusable, language begins – after the adrenaline kicks in due to the driver’s absurd reaction to ‘oh come on’.

Thread has jumped the shark. Nothing more to see here.

the problem is actually the road they are on.

Well, partly…

The problem originates with the road they are on, but is actually caused by people’s inability to adjust their driving to their surroundings.

Foggy conditions are certainly the origin of collisions, but only when people fail to react to it correctly by slowing down and behaving sensibly. Try blaming the fog and see how your insurance company responds.

the problem is actually the road they are on.
I used it on my commute for 2 years. Its narrow.

this may be true but it is made worse by the fact he is driving an innappropriate car.

I wonder what activities he does where he actually needs such a vehicle in London, but even so he should take account of that and drive appropriately and not try to bully his way through the traffic.

Plus the guy cycling was going at a reasonable clip – if you look at average traffic speeds in London what exactly did he gain with that manoeuvre – a few seconds ?

Was that worth risking someone elses live ?

Imagine how embarrassed his kids are going to be at school ! Especially if that scales picture has done the rounds.

“oh come on is” hardly making a big deal ffs .I would have gone nuts from the start

If you are going to start a fight with another road user you should at least be prepared to finish it, not whimper like a dog with it’s tail between it legs.

LOL to the both of them, and LOL to the trolls on here. You know who you are

Pigface – Member
The words “straw man” have been used, close the thread.

Have we already had a Godwin? If so, please go ahead and close the thread.

Tiny leather jacket and male appendage chappy pranced about like a jumped up mini Hitler.

Always happy to oblige. Now let’s move on… 😉

Wow Bomberman and LHS are even bigger trolls/car-lovers/cyclist-haterz/idiots than I imagined.

*adds to list*

Edric 64 – Member
“oh come on is” hardly making a big deal ffs .I would have gone nuts from the start

He couldn’t go too nuts as he was filming.

Wow Bomberman and LHS are even bigger trolls/car-lovers/cyclist-haterz/idiots than I imagined.

*adds to list*

They won’t need to open their mouths all that wide with this one…