Quick poll. Who you voting for tomorrow?

@funkydunc

at least the Labour party have put some figures forward for what they will try to achieve. Whether those numbers add up or not, only time will tell.
Personally, in our household we are quite happy to put our trust in the vision for our country that the Labour Manifesto has to offer.

http://www.labour.org.uk/page/-/Images/manifesto-2017/Funding%20Britain%27s%20Future.PDF

the Tories answer would probably be to fund it by scrapping disability benefit.

or allowing the hunting of the unemployed with horses and hounds…

FunkyDunc

Lucorave the only point I am making is that the high earners do already pay much more, and corbyns solution asking them to pay more doesn’t stack up

Why doesn’t it stack up?

I’m a high earner (6 figures) and I’m more than happy to pay more for the benefit of society.

You do realise the “scroungers” you mentioned before are in reality a tiny amount in the grand scheme of things and any money lost to benefit fraud pales into insignificance against tax evasion.

I’m guessing you live in Guildford 😉

Got to pay the Chancellors £200K salary some how!

well Corbyn is getting 137k which is pretty good for just argueing against stuff and not having much responsibility.

I don’t want to vote for any of them, but I feel very strongly that people shouldn’t waste their vote. Might spoil my ballot, or my trousers.

Cougar – as I stated way back when. Corbyn needs for sake of argument &6.5bn to fund utopia. He says he will take it from the rich. That has been proven not viable.

The conservatoves want to Up the minimum threshold to help the poorest in society, which doesn’t stop the poorest being poor.

I like Corbyn’s vision for a fairer society, just the accounting doesn’t stack up. It has to be paid for some how or does that not matter to you ?

Putting 1p on the pound is the only way to raise the revenue needed. And you pay this currently at greater than £11k.

Cougar – Moderator

Either I’ve completely misunderstood you, in which case I sincerely apologise

Yeah, you appear to be missing something. Though that happens to folk who are afflicted with prejudices and preconceptions.

if VAT is too be charged on those fees so the less fortunate in our society can have a better life then so be it.

But is that how it’ll work ? If enough children have to leave private schools surly money raised through VAT won’t cover the extra cost to state schools.
Even if it does it’s not going to create much extra revenue.

He says he will take it from the rich.

Not just the rich.

We will no longer be able to afford to send him, as will many other people who send their kids to private school, and therefore states schools will become even more over crowded with an even more mediocre educated population.

The lack of segregation of the high achievers will over time remove the hideous us and them thing that is currently going on. The referral to ‘scroungers’ is symptomatic of this separation.

It is admirable to want to do the best for your children but storing up a shit-load of civil unrest for the future by fostering misunderstanding between the socio-economic groups due to segregation is probably not the best way to do it. It should be in your enlightened self-interest to push for closer social integration not ghettos of rich and poor.

Remember nature and capitalism abhor a vacuum. Anyone moving out due to taxes/duties will be replaced as that’s the nature of the beast. EDIT The market will get what it wants.

{Mods apologies if the minor hyphenated expletive causes offence please filter if necessary).

He says he will take it from the rich. That has been proven not viable.

Where has it been proven and why was it not viable?

well Corbyn is getting 137k which is pretty good for just argueing against stuff and not having much responsibility.

How can wanting to be prime minister and pull a country out of the doldrums it is in now be “not wanting to have much responsibility”?

He is not just “arguing against stuff” he has put forward a manifesto (which in my eyes)is more competently explained than the Tory one, he has costed it and is looking to make some sweeping changes? So a little more than just arguing?

Is repeating “strong and stable” and “Brexit means Brexit” ad infinitum preferable to strong campaigning?

Jon Snow the Channel 4 new lead has just Tweeted saying he has been a journalist for 7 General Elections and May is the first PM to have ever turned him down for an interview tonight, and May was the lady that sent Amber Rudd to do her “arguing” for her 48 hours after her father had died, who is scared of the argument??

Where has it been proven and why was it not viable?

The rich said it wouldn’t work and you’d have to get it from the poor.

If enough children have to leave private schools surly money raised through VAT won’t cover the extra cost to state schools.

“If” – Any idea how many will leave? Same argument as putting taxes up makes rich people leave the country.

Just idle threat/wrong assumptions from people who don’t like the idea.

The rich said it wouldn’t work and you’d have to get it from the poor.

Thanks, that is proof enough for me 🙂

If anyone is interested, you can see how Labour’s planned tax increases would affect you here:

http://calculate.forlabour.com/

Yeah, you appear to be missing something. Though that happens to folk who are afflicted with prejudices and preconceptions.

Erm, pardon?

Labour, but stuck in what was strong Brexiteer Peter Lilley’s old constituency where he had around 65% of the vote last round. New Tory candidate is an ex-HSBC banker, parachuted into what is presumably a safe seat after losing elsewhere.
Locally though, the Brexit remain tally was 62%, be interesting to see how that is reflected in voting tomorrow

Voting tactically for Lib Dems, but my heart is Labour.

Jon Snow the Channel 4 new lead has just Tweeted saying he has been a journalist for 7 General Elections and May is the first PM to have ever turned him down for an interview tonight

First serving PM not to be interviewed by Radio 2 as well.

In the 21st century in one of the richest countries in the world there will be people sleeping rough tonight and working people relying on foodbanks to feed their families.
I’m not sure what’s worse – that this situation exists or that people will vote to continue with it.

BBSB – it shames us all. And charities are not the answer. Proper jobs, proper wages and proper safety nets are. And if that costs me a little tax, so be it.

She is a **** disgrace and all the **** that vote for her as well.

Labour

although Corbyn is a bit thick and despite voting >500 times against the whip is now a neo-stalinist in his insistence on line-toeing. And John McDonell is not a nice piece of work.

May however is craven coward, a third-rate turncoat surrounded by weasels like Hunt and Boris.

And then there is Farron 👿

Trump.

Labour. Party member, Corbyn supporter. Doubt I’ll see the result I want to but I can hope.

is he not a bit to much of an intellectual liberal left leaning and Politically correct for you?

as always I will be voting for “not a tory and most likely to beat them where I live”

I am voting Labour tomorrow and, for me, this is a big deal. I have always voted conservative up until now. I’m not massively pro-Labour, but I am now (since the Brexit vote) massively anti-Tory. I doubt it is going to do much good, but I want to hurt the Tories.

It would be a deliciously neat symmetry if May lost an unnecessary election called to shore up her own position. In the same way that Call Me Dave called a disastrous and unnecessary referendum to shore up his own support amongst the swivel-eyed loons in his own party and try to wrest back some of the borderline fascists from UKIP.

For me, it is a case of ‘anyone but the tories’. Their mates in business are barely holding themselves back as they lust after ripping up ‘red tape’ which is otherwise known as ’employment law’. They want to initiate a race to the bottom in which they cream off massive profits, leave the country a backwater then piss off to some tax haven to gorge themselves on champagne and oysters. A mandate for May means we are all screwed unless we happen to be very wealthy already.

And remember this is coming from me – previously a Tory voter.

Welcome home dannyh

Labour, stopped voting Tory many years ago as I loathe everything they stand for. And I’m a Brexiteer. 🙂

Labour.

Going back to when Cameron was PM, the Tories have been a joke as far as I’m concerned, I don’t want at least five more years of the austerity that has begun to bite again in the last 12 months since that referendum of lies.

I was always not going to vote Tory this time around, even before they announced their downright scary manifesto pledges, while a lot of Labour’s manifesto appeals to me.

I just hope all anti-Tory voters vote tactically for whichever party has a history of challenging them the strongest in their respective constituencies.

Progressive VAT. Interesting.

Where did cougar’s post go? Did someone moderate the moderator?

The rich said it wouldn’t work and you’d have to get it from the poor.

They actually said “try it and we’ll all take our cash and bugger off somewhere else. We will probably smash the light bulbs on the way out like the French civil servants did when west African countries voted for independence”. Pure spite and greed, I’m afraid.

Well said Dannyh

Nearly every Conservative politician seems to be in it for personal gain and sod the country, but there doesn’t seem to be any consequences to their actions, Cameron puts us through the Brexit vote and when he doesn’t like the result runs away, but to some boardroom 6 figure salary, numerous Tory MP’s where fiddling their expenses, which if i did it at work would be theft, but it is fine for them to steal from the public purse, child sex scandals are swept under the carpet and shady business deals with Saudi Arabia and the like are path of the course. But you are a “lefty-loon” for feeling strongly that this is incorrect as Diane Abbott is a bit rubbish?!

Labour FTW!
as hopefully everyone who has any semblance of unselfish-ness about them should.tories have proven in the last 6 years they are wholly incompetent at running a country.

I’ll pay Myleene Klass ticket if she threatens to **** off this time around

Labour. In a massively safe Tory seat sadly (though Labour are distant second, so no need of tactical voting here). Whilst the incumbent is unlikely to be ousted, I see my vote as an endorsement for the direction that Labour has gone in the last couple of years. I feel massively (sadly still outnumbered) enfranchised this time round, and it’s the first time since I could vote that I felt that way.

Helen Flynn ( LD ) is getting my vote (again )
Although in all likelihood the aforementioned monkey in a suit ( with blue tie ) will probably win I hope there is a big dent in the 12k majority he got last time round

Phil Willis (rip ) was by far and away the best mp I have ever had and it’s a shame his deeds have been ignored by a lot of the good folk of Harrogate, if not Helen would walk it and get a chance to carry on his good works

Only read the first page then found:

ahwiles – Member
green.
I live in Nick Clegg’s constituency, he’s alright actually, i’ll be happy if he gets back in – but i’ll be voting green to A) help them keep their deposit, and B) remind the other parties that there are votes in Green issues.

I’m in Sheffield Hallam too. I voted green the last two or three elections, but this time I’m voting labour again.
Clegg is a decent mp and will still get in, and logically the tactical anti Tory vote would be to vote LD but I want my vote to show up in the share of the vote figures.
My 18 year old daughter has her first ever vote tomorrow and doesnt have an a level in the morning so we will all go down together and do our duty.
We can feel good about it until Friday when we realise the blue lot are back in for another spell of ruining public services.