Quick poll. Who you voting for tomorrow?

do you know I still don’t know.
Tory super safe seat with a pretty much equal split amongst others.
I think Labour just edged second last time (due to the LibDem collapse)

I want Labour to win and would consider voting anywhichway other than UKIP for tactical purposes.
Im equally inclined to vote Green or any of the independents, just in the hope they don’t lose their deposit….

if anyone has a recommendation, im all ears.

Careful gents, almost looks like you’re not aiming for the ball

You have a ball? What ball did you play when you were telling us Abbott is thick?

Failing to join in the circle-jerk does not make me a troll, and it’s not my fault certain people didn’t get my obvious point.

What obvious point sorry, i’m at a loss unless “sbob” is cockney rhyming slang?

Diane Abbott is the daughter of immigrants who graduated from Cambridge, qualified for the civil service fast track scheme, became the first black female MP and rose to a high level within her party. She’s benefited massively from positive discrimination

FTFY.

The safety of May, Johnson, Hammond etc,. ? What is it that makes you think they are safer?

Come on. I thought this was a poll thread with maybe a sentence about why you might be voting a particular way.
It’s starting to turn into another left wing Tory bashing fest, with demands of justification for any Conservative voters who stick their head above the parepet. Aren’t there enough threads for this already ?

She’s benefited massively from positive discrimination

I’m not her greatest fan and I think Corbyn should drop her from the shadow cabinet but you only need to look at print media to see that statement is clearly untrue.

She makes an error with her figures and she’s hauled over the coals for days. Gove does exactly the same thing and nobody mentions it. That’s not positive discrimination it’s the other sort.

‘Safety of the tories’, what’s safe: NHS, affordable housing, national debt, care for the elderly, zero hours contracts, falling real incomes, grammar schools, foxes, police numbers, austerity, human rights legislation, strong and stable, enough is enough, Brexit means Brexit? It’s a kin dog’s dinner to the extent that the only anti-Labour tactics left to the media is personal attacks and encouraging cynicism (‘all manifestos are shi, you can’t trust polls.’etc) since there’s little/nothing to defend in the uncosted Tory manifesto.
Labour’s manifesto has won the support of 100s of economists worldwide, they’ll get my vote every time.
https://www.theguardian.com/news/2017/jun/03/the-big-issue-labour-manifesto-what-economy-needs

hands up i m a Tory boy but tomorrow I’ll be voting to elect a labour govt for one hopefully two simple and selfish reasons.. free university and maintenace grants for my daughters who should start in a couple of years.. assuming 4 year courses at 10k pa thats a guarenteed 80k minimum saving which in the real world will be at least 120k that i/they dont have to find and comrade corbyn will give them free of charge.. so for that reason alone good luck comrade!.. personally i ll be moving somewhere warm..

It’s starting to turn into another left wing Tory bashing fest, with demands of justification for any Conservative voters who stick their head above the parepet. Aren’t there enough threads for this already ?

Just a genuine question, where was the tory bashing?

Obviously a sensitive area for you so will leave it at that.

Voted LD by Post – it’s my normal stance but it would be whatever body had most chance of unseating the local Con-artist Tory-boy-wonder.

Lots of people seem to want to vote tactically. I’m sick of tactical voting, I think you should vote for the party that best represents your views. For me that’s Green

I really can’t see the past two weeks really changing many people’s minds as to who they will vote for.

It did with me and a number of my mates

It’s starting to turn into another left wing Tory bashing fest, with demands of justification for any Conservative voters who stick their head above the parepet

I think it’s been a relatively civil thread until sbob showed up. I would hazard a guess that there’s a fair few centrists like myself on here who aren’t lefty’s but are voting labour this time

It’s unavoidable. If you really hate party A and rate them -50, you really like party B at +50, but party C are ok at +45. However party C only lost out by 500 votes last time and B only got 2000 votes all in.

Net benefit for you is best served by voting for your second favourite party, isn’t it? Tactical voting there is the best option. It’s inherent in our system.

kerley – Member

You have a ball? What ball did you play when you were telling us Abbott is thick?

I didn’t say she was thick, I said she seemed thick. 💡

Is that the sound of a penny dropping in the distance? 😆

Oh and then of course in to the personal equation is Crobyn want to charge me VAT to send my son to private school.

We will no longer be able to afford to send him, as will many other people who send their kids to private school, and therefore states schools will become even more over crowded with an even more mediocre educated population. Win win ay

At least in our communist state everything will be fair and equal

Voted LD by Post – it’s my normal stance but it would be whatever body had most chance of unseating the local Con-artist Tory-boy-wonder.

Previous LD voter, but I wouldn’t touch them with a bargepole this time around.

Recent ads have been promoting a coalition with the Tories. Yes actually advertising it, largely trading on voter fear – I don’t warm to negative politics, it’s cheap. Siding with the Tories – now that worked out really well for them last time, didn’t it?

You’d think they’d learn.

Corbyn is an uncertainty, but I believe he’s finally stepping up and whilst there is some doubt around his statesmanship, he undoubtably comes from the right principles.

Probably Labour tomorrow.

We will no longer be able to afford to send him, as will many other people who send their kids to private school, and therefore states schools will become even more over crowded with an even more mediocre educated population. Win win ay

Yep, level playing field, win win.

Mr Woppit – Member

All those hand-wringers sobbing for dead foxes.

Don’t you care about the little chickens, lambikins and bunny-wunnies?

Frankly I find it hard to choose one over the other, predators eat other animals, circle of life init.

But I can understand some people want to control the number of foxes to mitigate them eating “little chickens, lambikins and bunny-wunnies” which they are more than able to do – they’re not a protected species, what you can’t do, it tear about the countryside in horse back with your mates and a million wild dogs to tear a single fox apart for fun. Sadly you’ll just have to shoot them.

Bullets are faster than horses and hounds, you could probaly kill a few a day if you’re a decent shot. you can still tear about the countryside on horse back with dogs too, drag hunts I think they call them, you just can’t do the tearing the wild animal apart bit.

But it seems neither of the above is acceptable to some people, they really like the fun of seeing a wild animal torn apart, it’s a kind of mental illness really.

Oh and then of course it to the personal equation is Crobyn want to charge me VAT to send my son to private school.

We will no longer be able to afford to send him, as will many other people who send their kids to private school, and therefore states schools will become even more over crowded with an even more mediocre educated population. Win win ay

Why shouldn’t you pay VAT?

From the other point of view, if private schools closed down and those largely intelligent kids went to state schools along with their determined and involved parents we could improve schooling nationally and end up with a better society.

I didn’t say she was thick, I said she seemed thick

Well you seem a lot thicker

labour like i always have

Obi Wan Kenobi seems to know what he’s doing….unlike Emperor Palpatine

labour, for first time in my life.
But I’m in an ultra safe tory seat, so won’t matter beyond making me feel better for a little while.

Everything else aside, May is not suitable to lead, she is a backroom bureaucrat, not someone who can effectively lead (in all the well established traditional sense of the word). She’s plainly terrified of facing common people, so she can’t possibly know or understand common people.
I couldn’t vote for any party with such a weak leader.

At least in our communist state everything will be fair and equal

Wait.. you think it’s fair that kids of rich families get a better education than poor ones?

FunkyDunc – Member
Oh and then of course in to the personal equation is Crobyn want to charge me VAT to send my son to private school.

We will no longer be able to afford to send him, as will many other people who send their kids to private school, and therefore states schools will become even more over crowded with an even more mediocre educated population. Win win ay

At least in our communist state everything will be fair and equal

Hang on a minute! Ignoring the anti-prol. stance You mean that a luxury education for your offspring currently DOESN’T attract VAT? WTF?!?! Is that like all private schools are “charities”?

We will no longer be able to afford to send him, as will many other people who send their kids to private school, and therefore states schools will become even more over crowded with an even more mediocre educated population. Win win ay

Yup – proper win win.

One of the reasons crap schools are crap is because middle class parents who give a shit don’t send their kids there. Putting middle class kids in comprehensive schooling improves standards overall.

Both my wife and I work hard so we can afford to send our school to private school. If that gives him an advantage in life then we are glad we can give him it.

Maybe we should just take it easy and scrounge off the state instead, much fairer for everyone after all .

Diane Abbott is the daughter of immigrants who graduated from Cambridge, qualified for the civil service fast track scheme, became the first black female MP and rose to a high level within her party. By any measure, she’s not thick.

Doesn’t stop her from becoming lazy, failing to prep for interviews and reading important reports that are relevant to her roll and generally showing a complete disregard to the voting public and the Labour party.

Why shouldn’t you pay VAT?

Agreed, it’s ridiculous that they are effectively subsidised by everyone else.

FunkyDunc – Member

Both my wife and I work hard so we can afford to send our school to private school.

imho, as a leftie, good for you, whatever. The existance of fee-paying schools is a long way down the list of things that bother me.

but…

Maybe we should just take it easy and scrounge off the state instead, much fairer for everyone after all .

state school = ‘scrounging off the state’?

(and of course, the VAT exemption status of fee-paying schools is a disgrace)

Green member but voting SNP due to no Green candidate.

I think it’s really important to unseat the tories as much as possible in this election.

Both my wife and I work hard so we can afford to send our school to private school.

And we work hard and yet cannot afford it.

Tough luck my kids, eh? That fair?

Yup – proper win win.

One of the reasons crap schools are crap is because middle class parents who give a shit don’t send their kids there. Putting middle class kids in comprehensive schooling improves standards overall.

Diane Abbott doesn’t have a problem with this, nor the many others who have sent their children to private schools too. Others, like Tony Blair, just select the best school in the area regardless of catchment area to send their children to then also have private tuition on top. Is it a case of do as we say, not as we do.

By not charging VAT on private schools, charitable status, money from the armed and diplomatic services etc means that the private school pupils receive in real terms a greater subsidy from the taxpayer than the per capita spend on pupils in the state sector. If the local public school here is anything to go by, an awful lot of taxpayers’ money is going on the children from rich Russian and Chinese families.
If wealthy people and even wannabes like FD all sent their kids to the local school, then all the kids would be better provided for.

Maybe we should just take it easy and scrounge off the state instead, much fairer for everyone after all .

Sending kids to state school is scrounging? What a walloper you are.

I think it’s been a relatively civil thread until sbob showed up.

You’re obviously in need of drugs or just wanting to start an argument if you think I’m not civil. 😉
💡

Maybe we should just take it easy and scrounge off the state instead, much fairer for everyone after all .

Ah the good ol’ feckless poor. Only poor cos they’re lazy.

Agreed, it’s ridiculous that they are effectively subsidised by everyone else.

VAT or not is not the issue, the issue is that we will no longer be able to afford to send him, probably with half the other kids in his class. State schools are too full as it is.

If he can no longer go then we personally will be much more financially better off, I’m just not too sure how it benefits anyone apart from my wife and I??

Again it blows holes in the whole funding scenario

Oh and then of course in to the personal equation is Crobyn want to charge me VAT to send my son to private school.

We will no longer be able to afford to send him

my heart bleeds

It will be Labour for me. I couldn’t possibly vote for someone who stated “running through wheat fields” as the most naughty thing they had done when we actually know some of the things they have done.

@funkdunc

Both my wife and I work very hard as well. We can’t afford to send our kids to private school as NHS nurses don’t get paid enough for the hours we put in. That’s our choice though, we see it at as vocation. Maybe if you pay a little VAT on your children’s school fees there could be a little more for people in our situation. You know, the ones? who would pick up the pieces when you are involved in an accident or a member of your family becomes sick.

FunkyDunc – Member

At least in our communist state everything will be fair and equal

Wow! Just sooooooo Wow!

That’s so simple, I can’t help but wonder why no one hasn’t tried that, already.