Overtaking.

If you’re in front, you get first dibs at any opportunity. If you don’t take it, it’s fair enough for somebody else to.

Ah well here’s a few issues.

1) What you think of as ‘an opportunity’ may not be the same as what I do. Just because you are prepared to cut it close DOES NOT give you the right to queue jump. Unless I’ve ignored miles of clear road, which in my case I won’t have done.

2) Often I am ready to overtake, and I can’t, because someone is already in the process of overtaking me. This boils my piss far more.

3) If I’m next in line to pass, and you overtake ME in the queue, then pull in infront of me, I’m no longer next in line. So next time there’s space for one car to go, you go and I’m left behind, even though it was legitimately my turn. How can you justify this?

To clarify I think we did 60/65 miles on the route from Filey back to the m62. Think it’s mostly the a614, which I can imagine is awesome in parts at 5am on a dry August morning. However, I was this time in my new diesel estate as opposed to the 300 brake thumper that was the impreza which I’ve drove every time before on that road. Overtaking was more calculated and smooth to be fair due to the lower power, however I got flashed only once, perhaps due to disgruntled drivers not being overtaken by the “Chav machine”! I’ve got no bother with folk tootling along but ffs leave room for those who want to make progress steadily and much to Crikeys annoyance safely!!

😆

I got a speeding ticket in our latest car 2 hours after it was picked up from the garage…

When you say “sends you into an incandescent rage” do you mean
“causes you to flash your lights”
Exaggerating didn’t help make your point
What do you drive ?

I have on more than one occasion completed a perfectly safe overtaking manoeuvre only to have the offended in the overtaken car drive like an absolute cretin to catch up and perform some laughable gesticulations to me in the rear view mirror and/or try to get back in front of me. It tends to be closer to retirement age duffers in nice new Mercs rather than the boy racer types, and it’s more than “causing someone to flash their lights”. It’s that safe? Was I unsafe?

And I don’t really see how it’s relevant what I drive, other than maybe add flesh to the bones of the stereotype I think you think I conform to. It’s a fairly extensively modified Mazda RX7. Hope that helps.

It’s a fairly extensively modified Mazda RX7. Hope that helps.

Certainly helped me get an erection.

This mentality that someone who overtakes a queue of traffic in stages is a queue jumper is a load of rubbish. 99% of the time on any NSL road there’s a lorry doing 40 and a queue of traffic sat behind who would never have the confidence to overtake in a million years. So they just sit there at 40 behind the truck and grumble and flash their headlights at anyone who dares to safely have a go.

Sometimes it’s not safe to overtake the whole line of traffic but it is completely safe to do it in 2 or 3 stages. What’s people’s problem with this provided it’s done safely – I don’t understand? Do they just expect everyone else to sit behind them whilst they fail to take advantage of overtaking opportunity after overtaking opportunity? Maybe their just annoyed at their own missed opportunity or their own inadaquacy as a driver? Perhaps more training would help them make progress safely?

I overtake like this on a regular basis because otherwise I’d be sat behind a slow moving vehicle like a lemming too, but then having a car with over 350 horsepower helps a lot. It’s amazing how quickly you can pass stuff making overtaking quite fun, and if you can’t have fun then what else left is there in life? Making full use of the performance available also means much less time exposed to danger on the wrong side of the road so safer for everyone all round.

You are making a lot of assumptions there molgrips.
In answer to….
1. What you may class as ‘cutting it fine’ may be no such thing just because you don’t see it as an opportunity.
2. Proves my point re number 1. Person overtaking you obviously has better anticipation and road reading than you.
3. See above points

You snooze you lose 😉
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I overtake like this on a regular basis because otherwise I’d be sat behind a slow moving vehicle like a lemming too, but then having a car with over 350 horsepower helps a lot. It’s amazing how quickly you can pass stuff making overtaking quite fun, and if you can’t have fun then what else left is there in life? Making full use of the performance available also means much less time exposed to danger on the wrong side of the road so safer for everyone all round.

Are you a Sagittarius?

The NSL on single carriage roads is basically set because no one was bothered to set a proper limit.

The reasons these roads are death traps for other users cyclist,(any of them actually on here) walkers etc is because half wits think a 60 mph limit means drive at 66mph regardless of the actual safe speed for a road.

Great example today with local roads , high verges, twisty, narrow, loads of cyclist, horse riders out and about.
30 was pushing it.

Certainly helped me get an erection.

POIDH.

1) May be, yes. However I often see drivers of oncoming cars having to brake hard to avoid death. To me, cutting it fine means being within say 100m or so of a car closing in on you at 140mph.

2) No, not at all. I wait to see enough clear road before I can overtake. They can see a bit of road and hope that the rest of it’s clear.

3) That’s not a justification.

You have no idea how I actually drive, btw.

OK, I can’t actually resist.

What ‘right’ is there to an ordered turn at overtaking? Is this in the highway code that you should wait your turn? I’m not sure it is in which case what boils your piss is that other people don’t drive the way you want them to, just like the ones that are irritated that you are too slow to overtake…

Of course, it could well be in the highway code in which case, fair point.

And I don’t really see how it’s relevant what I drive, other than maybe add flesh to the bones of the stereotype I think you think I conform to.

I’ve already explained the reason for my enquiry above.

Don’t be so quick to jump to conclusions 😐

It’s a fairly extensively modified Mazda RX7.

Sounds nice. Always wanted a rotary.

Hope that helps.

Well, It answers the question.

Which was all I was after.

Ummm… yes… I read that after I managed to finally post on my sodding phone. Apologies.

You have no idea how I actually drive, btw.

True but you have generalised there and so have I.

I safely carry out the type of manoeuvre you are complaining about on a daily basis and am grateful that your driving includes the use of your rear view mirror.

2. Proves my point re number 1. Person overtaking you obviously has better anticipation and road reading than you.

Often the case – many people seem to drive right up the arse of the truck that they are trying to overtake meaning that their visibility is practically zero. If they dropped back a bit then they would get a much better view of the road ahead and be able to see a passing oppertunity before (as molegrips put it) – someone else gets in there from behind and overtakes first. Perhaps that person behind had better visibility.

When you see an oppertunity to go and it’s safe you take it – not dither around wondering if the person first in the queue is going to finally pluck up the courage to go or not. 99% of the time the person at the front of the queue does not go.

Also having a fast car opens up many more safe overtaking opportunities so I can often go when others can’t or won’t. Don’t see why this should be a problem for anyone? It’s hardly queue jumping.

There’s no rules that says the person directly behind the truck must go first for the overtake. It’s no wonder if people actually believe this that they get their piss boiled so easily.

You have no idea how I actually drive, btw.

Bragging aside, the same is true of everyone here. Lot of assuming going on.

The people who flash you (ie me) generally DO have every intention of overtaking, when they consider it safe.

Do you think the driver who has just pulled out to overtake you and pulled back in in front of you, without managing to make contact with your car, didn’t see you?

Lot of assuming going on.

Lot of fish swimming in round wooden containers usually associated with the transportation of beer too…

I’ll say it again; the psyche of the modern middle aged man seems to be intimately associated with driving and perceived ability at the same. Questioning said ability seems to be an easy way to get a completely predictable response…

As opposed to their previous two or three decades how?

Touche

(I can’t find the accent for the e…)

What ‘right’ is there to an ordered turn at overtaking?

A moral one.

When you see an oppertunity to go you take it

No, you wait to see if anyone in front of you is going to take it first.

I find it inconceivable that people behave this way on the roads, when generally people are so polite in real life. Two people arrive at the checkout queue at the same time, it’s all ‘after you, no after you’. The same two people could get into their cars and act like total arseholes.

(I can’t find the accent for the e…)

Alt-Gr and e is a (little known, seemingly) handy shortcut for that.

I find it inconceivable that people behave this way on the roads,

*some* people.

Not really a suitable analogy, molgrips.
It’s more like someone approaching the checkout but staying about 4 foot back, faffing about and looking up and down the row for other checkouts/batteries/magazines/whatever, and then getting the hump when someone else pops in to their “space”.

Lét mé séé…

Ooh, every day is a school day! Cheers fella

molgrips – you still seem to think it’s a queue when it’s not. You also appear to think that the people on this thread who’ve commented that they’d wait to see if anybody in front wanted to overtake (and so miss an opportunity themselves) are the same impolite idiots who push in front of you.

éééééééééééééééééééééé 8)

I thought I’d skip straight to the last page on this thread; have to say it’s not what I expected.

Olé!

In the café!

That’s proper bilingual accenting that is!

That giraffe is easily the best post yet.

60mph isn’t a target, but you know that don’t you?

But you’d get failed in a driving test for doing that if it was safe to do 60.

But you do know that don’t you?

Someone had to stick their neck out.

No, you wait to see if anyone in front of you is going to take it first.

Yep, they get a second or two. You snooze you lose… 8)

Thanks
I have an é in my surname and have never bothered to find out how to do it on a computer.
Cant overtake either , but thats more down to my uber laid back, super economy driving style.

You do know that don’t you?

I knew that, but now know about the é thing, which may prove more valuable in the future…

You snoozé you losé

Come on, get with the programmé!

I knew that, but now know about the é thing, which may prove more valuable in the future…

Alt Gr doesn’t work on my keyboard 😥