Osbourne says no to currency union.

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Oh, wrong side…. 🙂

Probably for the best, you should never trust a Fifer. 😉

(**** me, that’s a classy looking joint for political discussion!)

Cowboy country Kirkcaldy anyway.

That article I posted earlier was off the mark. Here is the real threat[/url]

Shocking evidence of a no supporter being assaulted. Not for the faint of hearted folks. 🙁

That was like a Limmy’s Show sketch

That was like a Limmy’s Show sketch

I wish… the muppet who uploaded that video to you tube is a member of the SDL

Hanbags at dawn in a pub after two men have political disagreement. Stop the press. My concerns run deeper than that.

If the settled will of the Scottish people is to vote for independence then there will be parties whilst the minority lump it, shut up and hope against hope Lord Robertson is wrong.
If the settled will of the Scottish people is to remain within the UK then look out for violent protests taken to the doors of Westminster by angry nationalists. They are likely to have support from anti fracking groups and anti capitalist protesters keen to stick one up the UK authorities.

In itself this does not appear worrying as this will be a minority of a few thousand. The real concern will come when I am sure you will see widespread support and lack of condemnation from nationalists who will be happy to acheive the outcome they desire, regardless of whether democracy is trodden on along the way.

….and hope against hope Lord Robertson is wrong.

You make it sound as if Lord Robertson’s comments with regards to Scottish independence were sensible and reasonable !

When in reality they represent some of the stupidest and most ridiculous in the whole debate………according to him a vote for Scottish independence will be a “pre-Christmas present” to “the forces of darkness”, it could lead to the “Balkanization” of Europe and have a “cataclysmic” impact on the global balance of power, with “incalculable consequences”.

What a load of absurd nonsense. You really don’t need to ‘hope against hope’ that Lord Robertson is wrong – it’s a forgone conclusion that he is. And he should ashamed of himself for spouting such drivel. Although I don’t suppose he is.

C+p’d from elsewhere so don’t ask me to verify.

George Robertson is Senior advisor to the (William) Cohen group. The Cohen group represents American & UK defence contractors.

The Cohen group, profits from foreign aid, written into contracts that recipient countries must buy US/UK made weapons.

Can I just do a LIKE to ernie’s post above

He clearly wanted to help the no vote and he clearly has not helped one bit.

Any evidence for these assertions athgray

If the settled will of the Scottish people is to remain within the UK then look out for violent protests taken to the doors of Westminster by angry nationalists. They are likely to have support from anti fracking groups and anti capitalist protesters keen to stick one up the UK authorities.

In itself this does not appear worrying as this will be a minority of a few thousand. The real concern will come when I am sure you will see widespread support and lack of condemnation from nationalists who will be happy to acheive the outcome they desire, regardless of whether democracy is trodden on along the way
Or is it just more guff..

gordimhor – Member
Any evidence for these assertions athgray

the letter bombs the snla sent George Robertson in the 90s? A feat up only matched in modern Scottish history by the masterminds of the recent bullets in the post to a certain fitba manager! 😆 be afraid Westminster, we know were you live, and soon we’ll figure out how to propel these bullets at hi velocity! 😆

http://www.cohengroup.net/about/teammember.cfm?id=9

That was harrowing ss77,truly harrowing.The way the Nat’s beat him to a pulp and ate the tiny kittens he was carrying to the cat orphanage.As posted by that well kent authority sbob,is it going to be the next point of attack of the no campaign?

Have we mentioned the attack where an 80-year-old man had his wrist broken?

If you haven’t heard about it, that’s probably because he’s a Yes supporter:

http://www.edinburghnews.scotsman.com/news/scottish-independence-campaigner-80-attacked-1-3077094

George Robertson is perfectly free to rant about “forces of darkness” if he likes – and he also used that catchy phrase “rivers of blood” – what’s very dodgy is he was asking other countries to interfere in a democratic election.

Another fine Robertson claim- that Scotland would in fact be forcing the UK to disarm. Utter gibberish, there’s no prospect that even he believes it. But here he is again being given serious attention.

well he and the SCND would appear to be strange bedfellows:

In 2012, in written evidence to a Commons defence committee, Scottish CND concluded:

“There are no practical alternative locations for Trident. As a result, if the government of an independent Scotland maintained a stance of refusing to host nuclear weapons, then Britain would effectively cease to be a nuclear-weapon state.
from newnetscotland.com

devonport would be glad of the work, and i can think of worse things that could happen to central plymouth in the event of an accident… 😈

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-snp-trident-for-pound-plan-1-3369902

Just someones opinion. Intriguing how this will play out.

Del, bearing in mind a Tory MP has already stated they should stay in Scotland as fewer people live here,it isn’t just the SNP telling porkies.

So it turns out Better Together are running a phone bank.

From London.

From a PR company in London.

From a PR company in London called Political Lobbying and Media Relations, based a couple of hundred yards from the Houses of Parliament.

😀

Why does it matter where the Better Together phone bank is located ? Why would it matter if was a couple of hundred yards from the Houses of Parliament or a couple of hundred miles from it ?

Does the location of the phone bank make a powerful argument in favour of a Scotland being separate from the rest of the United Kingdom ?

What’s the point you’re trying making……or is it as I suspect just a silly and completely pointless dig ?

Ernie,BT promote themselves as Scots fighting to save the union,hence Alistair Darling heading it up rather than somebody likeable.There are lots of call centres and PR companies up here,why not use one of them? Or perhaps it is easier to keep the NO campaign closer to it’s chain of command? Actually I take that back,David Cameron has already said it is for Scots to decide and Westminster will not be getting involved,ARF! Can’t see how Ben is attempting to suggest that is a compelling argument for Scotland to be a seperate country by stating the above.

Or perhaps it is easier to keep the NO campaign closer to it’s chain of command?

I see, the phone bank might be “a couple of hundred yards” from the Houses of Parliament to keep it closer to “its chain of command”.

Otherwise how would they know what’s happening ?

If the Yes campaign needs to make an issue of the alleged location of a phone bank then that speaks volumes of their lack of credible argument which they can offer Scottish voters.

And a serious constitutional issue with consequences for generations to come needs more consideration than silly taunting. I would have thought.

I know,because the no campaign has set out such compelling reasons for the union,and all in a reasoned,measured way. As George Robertson did in the last week.
“And a serious constitutional issue with consequences for generations to come needs more consideration than silly taunting. I would have thought.”
It should aso be a decision made by Scots,for Scots shouldn’t it? The no campaign is driven by Westminster,not a dedicated group of Unionist Scots. Of course,if Westminster was willing to discuss potential terms of a split then it would be easier to have that level of consideration.

ernie_lynch – Member
Why does it matter where the Better Together phone bank is located ? …

I think it makes sense for the BT campaign.

If they picked a Scottish call centre there’s an approx 50% chance that the staff member doing the work supported independence and may be a wee bit subversive…

f the Yes campaign needs to make an issue of the alleged location of a phone bank then that speaks volumes of their lack of credible argument which they can offer Scottish voters.

I don’t speak for the Yes campaign – no idea if the campaign is going to make an issue of it, they probably won’t, it just amused me.

I know,because the no campaign has set out such compelling reasons for the union,and all in a reasoned,measured way

Exactly. In Darling’s recent interview (the “monstered” one) he kept saying “we need to make a strong positive case for the union”, and I kept thinking “well, go on then – you’re the one in front of a microphone”.

They keep saying there’s a strong positive case for the union, but they never say what it actually is.

Why (tactically or strategically) would Westminster discuss terms of a split now? More Scots prefer a Union than a split. Absurd to give details on the conclusion neither you nor the majority want.

No compelling reasons? Again !?! (Repeat, repeat, repeat and it may become a (half truth)) I assume that, with respect to defence, you have read…

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/248654/Scotland_analysis_Defence_paper-FINAL.pdf

Esp pp 8-14

Actually, I will grant you it starts with why leaving would be a bad decision before presenting the positive case. But the compelling argument IS there for those who are willing to look and read. The alternative would be to spoon feed sugar drops of fantasy.

Got to page 8 of that, and laughed out loud. Recently, when some Russian warships entered Scottish waters, the MoD found out via a Twitter post by a fisherman, and promptly dispatched an escort ship. From Portsmouth, which only arrived a day later.

We also have no patrol aircraft any more.

Scottish energy report:

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/301772/2901910__ScotlandAnalysis_Energy_acc.pdf

Exactly. In Darling’s recent interview (the “monstered” one) he kept saying “we need to make a strong positive case for the union”, and I kept thinking “well, go on then – you’re the one in front of a microphone”.

To be honest, the No camp doesn’t need to make the case. You can just look out the window and that’s what you’ll get.

It’s the Yes camp that wants to change things. And it is up to ‘Yes’ to make the case.

And up to us to decide. Personally it’s not particularly clear cut, but ‘Yes’ does edge it. But not by much, both sides strike me as a shower of shites when it comes to politicians. But one side appears to be a bigger shower than the other. Hobsons choice. Fortunately of course, Im not voting for a politician.

duckman, well, there are less people in scotland, aren’t there?
devonport fails the safety case due to the higher population nearby ( more than double in the same proximity than faslane ), and although, yes, a lot more people live not that far away from faslane, devon and cornwall’s population is ~1.5 million, rising ( from D&C police’s estimates ) to ~ 8 million in the summer. south westerly prevailing winds would likely carry contamination up through devon and onwards.
still, like i say, plymouth sure would welcome the work. that place is on it’s ar5e. 🙂

Welcome back THM,I suspected you would have a long dinner after Robertson’s rant last week.With all due respect to these Scotland analysis docs which you have linked to on here a number of times,these are no more honest than the white paper.An example would be the one on defence above. The reality is rather different,the example Ben mentions above drives a coach and pair made through the suggestions of how wonderful defence policy is. At least in 1707 we had 4 frigates*

*Only 2 were seaworthy. 😆
Point of order,suggesting I dont want independence as you do above is wrong,long term I have always wanted out of the union.I would like to have seen it be an easier transaction with a period of devo max.That not being on offer I will take a painful birth as a better option than the status quo.

And todays polling http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/scottish-independence-poll-more-undecided-voters-1-3371857

SUPPORT for Scottish independence has fallen slightly, as has support for the Union, according to two new opinion polls published today.

The gap between the Yes and No camps remains close enough for the “don’t knows” to deliver the swing needed to secure a Yes vote in September.

The percentage of Scots polled who plan to vote Yes in the referendum has fallen to 37 per cent in the latest Survation poll, down from 39 per cent in last month’s study by the pollsters on behalf of the Daily Record, Dundee University and the website Better Nation.

But support for a No vote is also down, from 48 per cent to 47 per cent.

Panelbase

A separate poll by Panelbase puts support for a Yes vote at 40 per cent, which is down by one point on a poll issued by the same organisation at the weekend.

Those planning to vote No is also down by a point to 45 per cent according to the latest Panelbase survey carried out on behalf of the Yes Scotland campaign.

It means the “don’t knows” could still deliver victory for the Yes camp in September, with a six point swing needed in the Survation survey and a three point swing needed in Panelbase. There has been a marked shift in support for Yes since the start of the year.

Just in case anyone has forgotten http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/panelbase-bans-new-members-from-independence-polls-1-3080830

I know,because the no campaign has set out such compelling reasons for the union,and all in a reasoned,measured way. As George Robertson did in the last week.

That’s a pisspoor excuse for the lack of a credible argument…….”the other side also has a shit argument”. ffs.

And now because George Robertson, who was always a talentless politician, has spouted some nonsensical drivel about the inevitable collapse of Western civilization as we know it should Scotland dare to vote Yes in September, you feel that the Yes campaign and its supporters are no longer obliged to offer any sort of rational argument. Remarkable.

Of course the truth is that those who support Scottish “independence”, despite having had about 300 years to think about it, can’t come up with any sort of half rational argument so they will look for any half-arsed excuse to explain this clearly hugely embarrassing fact.

The more this thread continues the more convinced I become that no case for Scottish so-called independence actually exists.

Half rational argument. We get to decide on our own government.

What more do you need, anything else is party politics.

Unless you are claiming that Scotland can’t run itself Ernie? BTW you’d be the only one.

ernie_lynch – Member
…Of course the truth is that those who support Scottish “independence”, despite having had about 300 years to think about it, can’t come up with any sort of half rational argument so they will look for any half-arsed excuse to explain this clearly hugely embarrassing fact.

The more this thread continues the more convinced I become that no case for Scottish so-called independence actually exists.

We have a very simple reason.

We want our country back.

Good to see that the lasses are a canny bunch! Keep it up ladies.

Emotive and meaningless. No one “took your country”. And surrendering influence and involvement over issues which affects the lives of those who live in Scotland is about as sensible as cutting your nose off to spite your face.

I now realise that I must have been remarkably naive to have thought that there might be a well thought out and rational argument for Scottish independence. It never occurred to me that in the 21st century in an advanced country people might still hang onto ridiculously primitive forms of chauvinism.

We want our country back.

Its not yours anymore – you gave it away, remember?