Osbourne says no to currency union.

Mol, we were talking about that this week. So far there are 6 planning on moving south of the border with quite a few more I’d imagine, me included. It could be worrying for/if independence happens as highish earners make plans. Those 6 folk are probably on 1m+ combined, that’s a lot of tax.

I’d be a bit worried about the economic shit hitting the fan if I were in Scotland. Of course, if it actually does, then there could be a significant economic migration.

Does anyone know if No voters have said they’ll move South in the event of a Yes?

And are the Yes voters all gonna jump into the sea in the event of a No?

I’d be a bit worried about the economic shit hitting the fan if I were in Scotland. Of course, if it actually does, then there could be a significant economic migration.

Not if they’re neither part of the UK or in the EU – they’ll exceed the Gov’ts immigration quota for non-EU citizens. 😉

See how easy it is?

Well yes with somethign that will be fatal – ar eyou suggesting it is that level of stupidity to vote for independence ?
I think they mean more this sort of thing when they accuse folk of scaremongering and being selfish tbh

See you just did it – a vote yes = economic mess and migration FACEPALM
oh and in true molgrips fashion what do you mean by significant and can i get – an exact[ish] number please for your prediction.
Molly – you just did what they said you do after denying it

At the age of 52 I have been up since 530 excited to be able to vote in this referendum. Unable to sleep. I can confidently predict that will never happen again in my lifetime

Good for you, life is about new experiences 🙂

JY an independent Scotland is going to be a much “fairer” place remember so the unemployed/low paid will be attracted and the medium and high paid discouraged.

I very much doubt there will be an immediate population shift, it would take place over a few years. If there is a Yes vote I plan to visit Scotland prior to independence so I can complete my challenge of climbing the highest peaks in UK whilst Ben Nevis is still in the UK, plus a last chance to spend some money and pay some VAT to the UK.

Well yes with somethign that will be fatal – ar eyou suggesting it is that level of stupidity to vote for independence ?

No of course not – it’s an example of how you can twist things – in this case it’s obvious, but in the referendum it’s not so obvious. But it’s exactly what people are doing.

See you just did it – a vote yes = economic mess and migration FACEPALM

Well, not quite. I didn’t say anything other than my personal opinion – I would be worried, this is a fact. I see what you mean there but it’s more of a grey area. I’m not in fact making proclamations or character slurs, like some people are.

oh and in true molgrips fashion what do you mean by significant

Just dictionary – significant means enough to make a difference. But again, step back – I said “could”, because I have no idea if it would really happen. Remember, I’m just a bloke thikning about the issues, I’m not a campaigning politician on a soapbox.

Molly – you just did what they said you do after denying it

Hmm.. interesting, denying it? You think by pointing this out, I’m implying that I’m above it? This is not a personal thing, Junkyard. You miss my point entirely. In fact, if you read back a few pages I specifically include myself in these observations.

Not if they’re neither part of the UK or in the EU – they’ll exceed the Gov’ts immigration quota for non-EU citizens.

Didn’t we recently have even *EU* citizens (Bulgaria) having restricted rights to work in the UK?

jambalaya – Member
JY an independent Scotland is going to be a much “fairer” place remember so the unemployed/low paid will be attracted and the medium and high paid discouraged.

I thought the vote was for an independent state not the government and principles it will be run on. AS can’t make promises about better or this and that, it will be for the new government of Scotland to make those (as elected by the people)

I’m not in fact making proclamations

Probably why I never said you were – do yu think it might just be scaremongering to say you fear for this?

Just dictionary

OH THE IRONY that you give this answer
Absolutely brilliant genuine LOL ….you could not make it up
Remeber that next time you ask someone [ stores page for reference 😉
PS will the dictionary have a number there as well ?

Andy Murray has come out as a Yes, citing ‘no campaign negativity’ as reason .

I’ve heard this a lot, but the more I think about it the more it sounds a strange way to decide, i.e. to make your decision based on the effectiveness or likeability of the salesman rather than the quality of the product.
We probably all do it to some extent in general life – I suppose it’s called marketing, but with a decision as big as this it is worrying.

I’ve got absolutely no idea what you are talking about Junkyard, sorry.

Andy Murray has come out as a Yes, citing ‘no campaign negativity’ as reason

This is basically what I’m talking about. People warning of problems just get accused of negativity. If there really are problems, how can you point them out without being negative?

Sometimes negativity is the right position.

Surely by very definition “No” is negative. 🙂

juanking – Member
Mol, we were talking about that this week. So far there are 6 planning on moving south of the border with quite a few more I’d imagine, me included. It could be worrying for/if independence happens as highish earners make plans. Those 6 folk are probably on 1m+ combined, that’s a lot of tax.

No one is indispensable. Someone will fill the gap, so when I say you won’t be missed, I don’t mean it in a personal manner.

The same applies to any business that heads south.

Polling booths busy bang on 7:00 am. Never seen it like that before.

I could add another 3 to that number.

Well, only because of the way the question is phrased. Perhaps if they’d asked “Should Scotland remain in the union?” then the nationalists would have been negative, and it would all have been different 🙂

(seriously though – it’s well known that the way questions are phrased has a significant effect on surveys and polls)

Andy Murray has come out as a Yes, citing ‘no campaign negativity’ as reason .

Yes I saw this too, deliberate timing to tweet on the day of the vote. Strange he thinks the no campiagn has been negative over past week, IMO its been the most upbeat and positive it has been all campaign and I think outshone the Yes in the past week.

If the vote is No Gordon Brown quite rightly should take a lot of credit. His intervention has been timely and very powerful.

Good old Gordon. No stranger to false promises himself, 10p tax rate anyone?.

Well, that was really exciting, been waiting ages to do that and finally done it – and the experience is, well, overwhelming.

Just installed iOS8.

Fully understand what you are saying Epic, the difference is they/we would still work for the same global multinational but just not based from Scotland. Oh and BTW Oil and Gas sector, not as if what we do is important to iS, we are the cherry on the cake. The most staunch No men here are folk who are coming up to retirement, they are bricking it.

molgrips – Member
Well, only because of the way the question is phrased. Perhaps if they’d asked “Should Scotland remain in the union?” then the nationalists would have been negative, and it would all have been different

Quite. Still it’s better than the SNP ministers’ first attempt of “Do you agree that Scotland should be an independent country”

I suspect GB has been under far less pressure to fit into a party this time and has consequently spoken from the heart which I think is in the right place. Politics is a machine, and you have to fit into it as many good people have found to their cost.

Well, that was really exciting, been waiting ages to do that and finally done it – and the experience is, well, overwhelming.

Just installed iOS8.
Took 10 hours to download for me, seemed to drag on for nearly as long as the referendum campaign but at least I slept thought the download.

The most staunch No men here are folk who are coming up to retirement, they are bricking it.

I find this strange, its the young / middle aged who need to worry about theiir pensions. Those close to retirement will be fine, an iS will honour those its whether they can afford them in the future.

Vote made, roll on the result. Polling station was very busy this morning, first time I’ve ever seen a queue.

Vote made, roll on the result. Polling station was very busy this morning, first time I’ve ever seen a queue.

Yes, complete strangers grinning at each other too.

I was the only person voting in mine which was a surprise. Lots of media outside for some reason too.

People are being very negative about the no campaign.

No they aren’t.

Jambalaya, the reason the ‘soon to retire’ folk are bricking it is nothing to do with iS honouring their (state) pensions. It’s because these are youngish retires ~55 so have made provisions for the future but taxation mainly income tax is the issue.

People are being very negative about being negative about the no campaign.

Yes, complete strangers grinning at each other too.

What does that tell you?

I thought you were all a friendly bunch not like that there London?

Jambalaya, the reason the ‘soon to retire’ folk are bricking it is nothing to do with iS honouring their (state) pensions. It’s because these are youngish retires ~55 so have made provisions for the future but taxation mainly income tax is the issue.

@juan – understood and interesting. Well as they have been promised a “fairer society” and they are not “rich” they will be much better off surely ? Even if they have less money to live on they will be able to feel that warm glow of altruism 😉

What does that tell you?

I thought you were all a friendly bunch not like that there London?

Not sure where you’re going with this. No, it’s not especially normal for random strangers to grin at each other in the street in Glasgow.

I thought it was a lovely thing, I’m not making some kind of point.

Not very scientific as it’s only based on perceptions (not sure how you would do a genuinely unbiased survey though) but this is interesting.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/scottish-independence/scottish-independence-almost-half-of-no-voters-have-felt-personally-threatened-by-the-yes-campaign-9739038.html

Opponents of independence were also more likely to have fallen out with friends, family members, colleagues and other people than were supporters of Scotland leaving the Union

interesting so they were both more likely to be threatened and more likely to fall out with people?
Is it them do you think? Serious point

So we have proof no voters are easily frightened , overreact, blame others and then sulk 😉

Peoples perceptions of what happens is not that accurate tbh – one persons banter or joke – like that there- is another persons abuse and belittling.
I am not sure what it says
Yes are rowdier
No are more sensitive etc

If Yes wins, I would be interested in revisiting this thread in a year and seeing whether any of those who’ve said they will leave actually have. I suspect very few really will.

I’m not in fact making proclamations

I should hope not. there’s only two Proclaimers allowed to comment on Scottish independence…

gobuchul – Member

I thought you were all a friendly bunch not like that there London?

Nah, we’ve just redefined things so that calling someone deadly insults is considered friendly. Otherwise the entire population of glasgow would be one man, rapidly bleeding to death.

I am not sure what it says
Yes are rowdier
No are more sensitive etc

I made this point. I also made it earlier wrt another survey which claimed Yes voters felt more intimidated. A Yes voter got all stroppy with me for ‘claiming Yes voters are over-sensitive’. Oh teh ironing etc.