Muslims offended again

People who describe our armed forces as representing or fighting on behalf of the white middle aged men are hypocrites.

I am a white middle aged western european man.

I think that British soldiers are doing more to protect my way of life than they are anyone elses on this planet and particularly in the areas they fight and die in.

What bothers me is that the actions they take are ‘sold’ to them as ‘liberation’ and ‘protecting freedom’. As far as I can see recent wars have liberated very few and only protected my freedom of access to oil.

It may not be palatable but as you say, it’s the truth.

I don’t resent our armed forces and I’m grateful for what they do but any politician who dresses up as anything other than protecting their own voters (see Thatcher/Falklands comments above) is usually deluded and/or lying.

The only times in recent years that I can see imposed force achieving a lasting peace is in the Balkans and that was after a lamentable lack of action on the part of their immediate neighbours and co-operation in genocide by some Nato forces.

My comments were in specific response to a comment about Muslims in the armed forces – maybe, as a group, British Muslims are less keen to go and fight on foreign soil, or they see other life opportunities available to them, or fear institutionalised racism/descrimination or any number of other reasons. I don;t think it makes them less British as a result.

If they were so offended by a tiny little dog why did they not refuse to take part in the opening ceremony on religious grounds until a suitable replacement was found i.e. a cute little kitten, snake, gerbil or whatever doesn’t offend them.
Did Mohammed have a pet they could have used and put a tartan scarf on just so they could get with the spirit of the event.

Piss off you idiot comes to mind.

You are clarkson and you should slope off

Its rather ironic/tragic the levels of two finger and ignorance folk want to show to other cultures.
A little bit of tolerance and some gentle understanding is no bad thing.

better jokes would help as well

Were the musicians offended by John Barrowman?

Why weren’t the muslims offended when John Barrowman kissed the guy during the opening ceremony. Is this not seen as sinful by their teachings.

@ Hora…so you think that there wasnt a massive show of british muslims publicly condemning/demonstrating at the horror of 7/7, and that this meant they didnt care?
i believe the muslim council spoke for the majority of the british muslim community when they openly condemned 7/7…who else did you need from the muslim community to do this?
in the aftermath of 7/7 the muslim condemnation of the atrocity went largely unreported as the greater emphasis was placed on the investigation of the bombings and the on the victims who perished and quite rightly so
i remember in the aftermath of 7/7 i was on a uni course through work and had to regulalry catch a bus into manchester…the number of passengers who gave me dirty looks or looked at me with open suspicion was shocking because i was a british asian muslim and had a rucksack…it made me feel very insecure about how i was perceived by them but i could understand where they were coming from
but i ahd no axe to grind with them but i did with the those stupid asshats who killed all those innocent people on that fateful day simply because they had been brainwashed with a warped interpretation of islam.
they did not do it in the name of islam.

but but anyway, back to the issue of the dog….as a muslim i have no problem with dogs…the problem is down to interpretation…there is nothing in the Quran that says you are strictly forbidden from keeping or coming into contact with a dog…but its saliva is seen as unclean therefore you should avoid contact with this
the Quran says that you should not keep a dog unless it is kept for guarding livestock, hunting or farming (i.e. herding) duties
in a more modern context i think there an exception can be made for dogs that assist those who are not able bodied i.e. guide dogs
you can keep a dog but in doing so your good deeds are reduced on a daily basis for the lifetime of the dog ownership and if you choose to keep one it must not be allowed to share the same space as humans

i think the issue here is that there are individuals on both sides who are over sensationalising the issue and trying to create a mountain out of a molehill

Nobody actually watches the opening ceremony, you fool!

hora – Member

Which of these have consistently been in the news for the wrong reasons?

What, all 1.57 billion of them? Way to tar a quarter of the world’s population with the same brush.

In related news, all cyclists jump red lights. It was in the papers. But where are the marches of cyclists supporting the british flag?

I don’t really get how you’re not happy having the council speak for UK muslims, apparently that doesn’t count. But one excitable shouty chap who’s got the basic facts completely wrong, he’s a man to listen to, because he was in the papers today.

The problem is he who shouts the most gets noticed the most. Lots of Muslims have dogs around where I work . Some drink some even deal drugs.
Just like any other group you get the folk with a twisted view of faith they tend to be nut jobs and they shout the most.

When in Rome.

If I go abroad I respect the locals and there customs as long as it’s not barbaric (bull fighting springs to mind).
I’m getting fed up with how religious books are being interpreted ‘I think what God means in chapter 5’ ect ect repeat until its twisted.

My religion was replaced by faith a long time ago. It’s all a bit Meh and the sooner the rest of world stops acting in God’s name the better. He’s been very quiet for the last few thousand years maybe he retired by the coast

Hora’s expectation…

Surely the title of this thread should be “Telegraph readers offended by puffball story”.

“Iraq was a mistake but what about Kuwait back in the early 90’s?”

Yeah, that was such a moment to shine: having spent most of the 1980s selling arms to Iraq, Iran, Kuwait and Saudi Arabia, the UK spent a vast amount of money and sent people to die to “liberate” Kuwait. In other words, in a battle between an autocratic Muslim extremist despot in their battle and a degenerate socialist dictatorship for control of unearned oil wealth, the UK chose the former, and “liberation” meant reinstating Shariah law and consolidating the subjugation of women.

brainwashed with a warped interpretation of islam.
they did not do it in the name of islam.

I hear this alot about a lot of things that Islam does.

Seems to me that this is the main problem with religions of all types, people mould what the magic book says to happily coincide with all the stuff they believe, like hating gays, shitting on women and generally being arseholes.

Media blow minor grumble into muslims causing trouble again shocker.

TBH, the whole religious book debacle could have been circumvented if the commandments (ten or otherwise) were simplified to “don’t be a dick”

Were the musicians offended by John Barrowman?

He has a solid background in musical theatre, so whatever you think about the man – there’s no denying he can carry a tune.

Hora’s expectation….

he would be upset at the way they parked in his street though when they visited so you they just cannot win

The problem is he who shouts the most gets noticed the most.

It’s either an impressively loud shouty voice from a minor Malaysian political party, or the editors of the Telegraph (and the OP) have some sort of agenda that suits a narrative of “Muslims are always complaining”. I’m not sure which.

John Barrowman kissed the guy

… Gays !?!

Gays AND Dogs

Woofters !!

Woofters everywhere !!!

This opening ceremony sound like a bad Miley Cyrus video

Ro5ey – Member

Woofters !!

😆

Seems to me that this is the main problem with religions of all types, people mould what the magic book says to happily coincide with all the stuff they believe, like hating gays, shitting on women and generally being arseholes.

true…you get this from pretty much every religion…not just Islam

What, all 1.57 billion of them? Way to tar a quarter of the world’s population with the same brush.

Lets see from the stabber-seperatists in China, which way would you like to go next? Chechnya, the mess there and those who blow up bombs on Moscow underground, India – Christians killed, onto Africa young girls kidnapped and forceably converted?

At least free Syrian Army and ISIS are fighting ARMED men I guess not unarmed civilians. 😉

At least the fair-minded British never once butchered people who couldn’t fight back eh?

ISIS are fighting ARMED men

they stoned two women to death last week.

they have slaughtered hundreds of prisoners and forced any Christian they meet to convert to Islam.

other than that I expect they’re following all the Geneva Conventions with regard to armed conflict.

you think that there wasnt a massive show of british muslims publicly condemning/demonstrating at the horror of 7/7

Null point – they had no choice.

Guardian yesterday, Torygraoh today. Will the thread end the same way?

Each way on – yes page 5

hora – Member

Lets see from the stabber-seperatists in China, which way would you like to go next? Chechnya, the mess there and those who blow up bombs on Moscow underground, India – Christians killed, onto Africa young girls kidnapped and forceably converted?

You’re right, that is all 1.57 billion.

Who is this offending?

The Scots obviously – they called the dog Jock.

The typeface nazis.

Religionist gets offended by something irrelevant due to barmy belief system.

Waa waa waa waa…

Chechnya, the mess there and those who blow up bombs on Moscow underground

Sorry – “the mess” in Chechnya is the result of a squalid and entirely secular attempt by a bunch of yokels to seize control over unearned oil wealth. They were left to be slaughtered by the federal government and its gangster proxy militias, at which point the Islamists arrived in moderately significant numbers, having previously been a sideshow. You also fail to mention the Moscow apartment building bombings orchestrated by the federal government – I can’t imagine why.

I do think that currently Islam is more prone to violent political interpretations that other religions. After all this was a religion that was initially spread via colonial expansion.

However, I have a lot of Iraqi, Kurdish, Syria and Iranian friends who are either moderates or all out unbelievers. I will go into more detail about this in another post later tonight but most of them seem more sympathetic to the west than their western brothers. For example, the Iraqis don’t blame the Americans for the current mess in Iraq but pin the blame squarely on Saudi Arabia. Isis are seen as foreigners.

What I find interesting is that I’ve had plenty of foreign Muslim friends and no British Muslim friends, not one and the times I have talked to them it has seemed that their opinions about the middle east are widely different to their brothers actually living there.

Can’t be bothered to read the whole thread as I’m sure its full of the usual Daily Fail rants and Guardianista counter-attacks.

I’ll just stick to the semantics;

‘Muslims offended again’

‘Christians offended again’

‘Motorists offended again’

‘World revolves on its axis again’

‘It’s raining in England again’

‘I failed to win the lottery again’

‘Dog curls out a turd in park again’

Continue ad nauseam……….

Who is this offending?

Me – is that person seriously wearing black shoes with that suit? It’s an outrage.

Null point – they had no choice.

you mean like the jewish community in the wake of what’s going on in Gaza? but oh, hang on they havent openly condemned it have they? instead they’ve tried to justify the killing of women and children by claiming its their right to defend themselves…but thats a topic for another thread on here..but hopefully you get my drift

it was condemned because it was wrong and went against the teachings of Islam…what else did you expect the british muslim community to say? well done?!

If our troops serve big business or the political classes (which I do not believe they do, although they may have done in part for example protecting oil supplies) it’s your demands and needs they are ultimately fulfilling, your need to be on the web, using energy produced in a power station, to drive a car etc etc. You can be a lilly white, tree hugging, swamp lover but your still one of us and they fight and die so indirectly you can make a crappy comment about how stupid they are to do it on a mountain bike forum.

Our military are merely an extension of economic policy. “Protecting our interests” as they say. As for our demands, who created those? The very organisations that want to sell the stuff to us, who are virtually part of Governments who in turn send in the military to “protect our interests”.

Our addictions are causing this.

We have history, but we don’t learn the right lessons from it. We used to have kings leading us into battle, with his knights, barons, and finally the foot soldier at the bottom, War won and who benefited? The king, the knights and barons who got a share of the spoils, and the soldiers, whoever lived, went home and nothing changed for them.

Today, we have political leaders sending us into battle, the soldiers who win it, and the corporations who get the spoils. All we get told to do is to consume as this is your only use.

So in short, yes our military are in service big business and the political classes, as much as us civilians as consumers are.

I will go into more detail about this in another post later tonight

Suspenseful!

All we get told to do is to consume as this is your only use

The meaning of life right there.

Live quietly, and buy stuff.

Be careful of the Muslamic ray guns people.

I think we should give each team member their own dog to walk as part of the closing ceremony, and a shit bag that they purposely don’t use.

Crazy religious loons and headline hunting politicians are highly entertaining and every opportunity to offend them should be utilised, starting with Keith Vaz the mango crusader.

http://www.theguardian.com/uk/2005/jul/26/polls.july7

Doesn’t really support Horas assertion. Are there any newer polls? The problem with shooty violent people who want to die for a cause is that they usually punch far above their own weight. The actions of a select few nutters screaming at the top of their voices can often seem to many, to be the voice of a whole race. Unfortunately it’s not only Christians who end up thinking that but impressionable young Muslims as well.

Ah, the old religion augment!

They tell you “There’s no stronger force to bring people together than religion.” but they should say “There’s no stronger force to drive a wedge between two groups of people, and cause a war, than religion!”

They should ban the lot….