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There just seems to be speculation and no doctors or press conference? updates?
Anything found anywhere?
Prognosis for anyone who's been in an induced coma for this length of time is unlikely to be good in the short to medium term 🙁
What wwwwwww said. Talking to a consultant friend last week and he said that SM will be pooped.
Very sad even though I didn't really like him that much (although I'm not sure I can say that about someone I haven't ever met - prob a nice guy.)
😥
Last I read was on Friday night and they said that they were going to start to to reduce oxygen to his brain and slowly try to bring him out of the coma with the next 72hrs being critical. I've heard/seen zip since.
They have probably had him on Rohypnol and cooled down by several degrees. They will reduce the drug and warm him up to see what happens.
I've never really been a fan of his but I really hope he comes out of this ok....
Ditto this is utterly horrible.
Live by the sword die by the sword.
[i]Live by the sword die by the sword. [/i]
wtf?
wtf?
+1
Pretty sure it was a snowy rock* that did the damage. No swords involved.
*(something you'd expect mountain bikers to be sympathetic to!)
People who are less famous die in much worse ways every day...
Fingers crossed for his recovery and for his family.
Rocks are dangerous, I got this friend into mountain biking: it's thought he went over the bars, hit his noggin on a rock and tumbled down the hillside unconscious.
I think ^ means if you live on the edge?
Not sure if he was taking a mad-mad risk though. It was inbetween two piste's and was classed as a freak accident. No one said 'whooo Schu was really nailing it down the mountain'.
Having sat and watched my 36 year old brother die a few months back, I have a good sense of perspective on this...
He is a family guy, with two kids who need their Dad.
I hope he pulls through.
(Note - I never liked him as a driver either)
But flatboy - there are people on here who care, are fans and are concerned for his welfare and there is absolutely nothing wrong with that.
+1 to crossing my fingers for him
Sorry it's the Mirror but best I could find on a quick look.
That's true, Pook, and I'm sympathetic to his family. But I would imagine that as a lifelong risk taker he would not have expected or wanted people's sympathy for injuring himself / dying doing an inherently risky activity.
I do accept that this thread might not be the place to air this view, though.
Not sure if he was taking a mad-mad risk though. It was inbetween two piste's and was classed as a freak accident.
Yep - not exactly extreme off-piste skiing:
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I think maybe you need a different phrase, the live by the sword thing means;
[i]"You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want."[/i]
I thought you were saying he'd got his just desserts for actions during his driving career.
But you're right, it's probably not the thread to pull his personality apart.
I do accept that this thread might not be the place to air this view, though.
Yet you did.
/sigh
Riding solo in the mountains, skiing a bit of powder between two pistes; we've all done those things.
wwaswas - MemberI think maybe you need a different phrase, the live by the sword thing means;
"You can expect to become a victim of whatever means you use to get what you want."
Not as I understand it.
deadlydarcy - MemberI do accept that this thread might not be the place to air this view, though.
Yet you did.
/sigh
Sorry, I meant "in hindsight...".
I'd be surprised if anyone has taken particular upset to my comment.
You may want to revisit your understanding then theflatboy.
wwaswas's definition is a direct quote from McGraw-Hill's Dictionary of American Idioms and Phrasal Verbs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_by_the_sword,_die_by_the_sword
You are basically saying "he deserves it", [i]that[/i] is why people are upset!
The page you've linked above points out that it can be used in a non-literal metaphorical sense.
And I'm not saying he deserves it anymore than anybody deserves to die from the way they end up dying, just that he is inherently a risk taker.
Edit: also, as already mentioned above, I'd be surprised if anyone is actually upset and I apologise if they are. As we're posting definitions:
Forum - a meeting or medium where ideas and views on a particular issue can be exchanged.
Anyway, I've already said that this probably wasn't the place to make this point so I'll leave you to it.
I can't believe I just read the first reply you made flatboy, is there something seriously wrong with you?
The page you've linked above points out that it can be used in a non-literal metaphorical sense.
I don't think anyone thought you meant he [i]literally[/i] had a sword.
The [i]meaning[/i] is still the same.
Edit for your edit:
I'm not saying he deserves it anymore than anybody deserves to die from the way they end up dying, just that he is inherently a risk taker.
Then you just chose the wrong phrase. Fair enough.
Yay - poor old hora asks a question and now we're arguing* over dictionary definitions.
*I am fully aware that I'm a bit involved and I'm hitting myself for that. 🙂
Anyway, hope he pulls through, though according to everything I've read recently, it's not looking great for him. One assumes his son may have seen it happen - can't be very nice for the lad.
This is about the best summary I read from someone who should be well qualified to comment. In short though, it doesn't sound very good for MS...
http://formerf1doc.wordpress.com/
Ok let’s get down to the hard stuff here. What are the possible outcomes? I’ll look at some of them, mostly with an eye to defining terms we’re likely to see thrown about in the near future, so that we can be precise ourselves, and be critical when faced with imprecise, ambiguous, or misleading information from others (are you listening Daily Mail?).Now remember, all we know with certainty about Michael’s injuries comes from the press conferences given by his care team. After explaining the how and why of evacuating the right-side extradural hematoma (on the Sunday) and then the left-sided intracerebral hematoma (on the Monday), the neurosurgeon let slip a VERY telling statement.
I’m almost quoting him here, translating from the French. He said “don’t think that we evacuated two hematomas and that’s it”. “Michael has lots of hematomas in his brain, on the left, on the right, and in the middle”.
Damn. See, the “middle” is where all the important stuff happens – awareness, arousal, control of blood pressure, respiration, swallowing etc. And the left – well that’s usually language. Etc etc. The neurosurgeon, intentionally or not, painted a rather catastrophic neurologic picture.
[b]First off let me say that it is EXTREMELY unlikely (I’d honestly say virtually impossible) that the Michael we knew prior to this fall will ever be back.[/b]
I think that it will have to be considered to be a triumph of human physical resiliency, and of modern neurointensive care, if Michael is able to walk, feed himself, dress himself, and if he retains significant elements of his previous personality. If recovery proceeds to this point (which is totally POSSIBLE, if perhaps rather improbable), it is an open question as to how well the “higher functions” (memory, concentration, reading, planning, etc) will recover. Please note, I would love to be proven wrong about this!
^ = 🙁
Bummer. Perhaps stem cell therapy beckons.
That is depressing.
For me more important things closer to home to worry about and invest time learning about. Hope the fanboys mange to struggle on if he doesn't make it.
**now ducks for cover**
He's got brain damage not mange.
Jesus wept! I thought I'd seen p!enty of snide bitterness in the readers'comments on the Portsnouth News website, but this goes far beyond what even they can stoop to! Would some of the low comments apply to a mountain biker suffering a similar head injury? Thirteen years ago I might have been in a similar situation; fortunately my concussion wasn't severe enough (just) to warrant my airlifting to the regional trauma centre, but it was a borderline call... I made a full recovery, but I could so easily have been in a far worse state.
Just remember; there for the grace of god or fate go you..
Thanks for posting clubber. Very saddening, and sends a shiver down my spine. I used to like watching him drive. Away from the racing car I always thought he came across as a pretty sound guyl. Best wishes go out to him.
There but for the grace of God: MrsJA had a bad off from a bike a few years ago and could have been in the same situation. I feel for his family as I have [i]some[/i] idea of what they might be going through.
Negative comments are for another thread in this case.
Whether you're a fan of his or not, it is a freak accident which could happen to any cyclist/outdoor sports enthusiast.
I would expect a little more solidarity/sympathy from a bunch of mountain bikers.
My brother almost died last year from a head injury (being in a coma for 1 week), but thankfully looks like he will make a full recovery.
Irrespective of your views on Schumacher's career and the level of aggression shown on the track, what is undeniable is the talent the man had.
I am first and foremost a Ferrari fan having been lucky enough to be in a position to go to most of the world's circuits to stand side by side with the Tifosi. Yes, Mr S has a special place in the hearts and minds of anyone who admires the folks from Maranello, but more than this, it is the recognition that he was more than a driver - he was a test pilot of sorts.
His views and engineering insight helped teams to better their cars. Even when he returned from retirement, despite not being at the top of his game, he made a difference at Mercedes helping to develop the car and the team on or off the track. His partnership with Ross Brawn is testament to what can be achieved.
I don't know if he'll ever make a full recovery but I do hope he makes a sufficiently good recovery to have a decent quality of life. He may never walk again, let alone get behind the wheel of a hyper-car. I do hope both he and his family find the peace and privacy to come to terms with whatever happens next.
There must be something wrong with me as I couldn't give a flying **** what happens to him. I wish him no ill but life is life, rough with smooth etc. He will be last weeks news soon.
You all hate me now.
Couldn't really give a crap about any of that.
He's a husband, father and son who looks to have suffered an incredibly unfortunate accident, in circumstances that are spinechillingly familiar to most of us. 🙁
(And it would be equally sad if he wasn't famous - we'd just be a lot less likely to hear about it)
What GrahamS just said
Indeed. The man himself probably isn't aware of what's happening to him, but it must be awful for his kids and other close family.
I had a big off on the bike a few days before his accident. I landed on my head, split my helmet, unconscious, lost loads of blood, ambulanced, plastic surgery etc. It could have been quite different for me too. I was riding a trail I've done before, just a freak thing. Thankfully my wife and kids aren't having to deal with what his are...
I hope some of you or close to you never have a serious accident. Not a sympathetic bone in your body.
Hi is a father, husband, son, brother etc.. There is a family willing him to pull through and show signs of recovery, knowing deep down that this probably won't happen.
Of course these accidents happen every day to every day people, but due to Michael being known worldwide this is news.. This is the way of it, sometimes it sucks, sometimes it's a reality check. Whatever feelings and opinions you may have on him as man, competitor or the way he chose to ski off piste, the long and short of it is, he will more than likely spend the rest of his life being fed through a tube. Just imagine for a second it was somebody you knew.
I knew a guy who fell off the the ladder of his Transit van while securing a load, banged his head and was knocked out, he was conscious and talking when the Ambulance arrived, they put him in a medically endured coma.. And he never regained consciousness... They switched the machine off after a week.
Dear lord there are some people on this thread who REALLY should keep their nasty little thoughts to themselves.
Regardless of who was and what he did, his family have lost their father / husband / son and if he survives, it'll be little more than a husk of himself. Possibly worse for them than if he had died.
My father in law has dementia and quite frankly its ****ing awful watch him slowly fade away phyically and mentally. Some parallels there with Schumacher.
Graham S well said sir.
He is a human with no history of war crimes or mass murder or similar. What he may or may not have done in a racing car was a matter for the fia.
Husband, father, human I wish him and anyone who faces similar difficulty nothing but the best.
* me there are some *s on here tonight.
Have some *ing respect for a fellow human being. He wasn't a dictator sending millions to the grave, he was a wholeheartedly committed racing driver, albeit an egotistical one, who happens to be a family man too. For that reason, I sincerely hope he pulls through.
Sort it out or * off.
You know Damon should have been a double world champion. He did things right. Came too late in his talent window due to his family circumstances. Maybe he had 3 in him.
I was a big fan from start to finish.
I take my glasses off and rub my face slow and hard over Schu's situation now. Its ****ing awful. Too hard to understand how his life will turn out. Like a nightmare ending
Awful. Terrible. Yeah we dont know him personally but we have been aware and followed his life to a degree so stop the internet silliness.
There must be something wrong with me as I couldn't give a flying **** what happens to him. I wish him no ill but life is life, rough with smooth etc. He will be last weeks news soon.You all hate me now.
Yet you've posted twice on this thread that you claim not to care about. Suggest you need to take a good look at yourself and your motivations. Homework all finished early, huh?
All the best to Schumacher. Like a lot of MTB'ers, I've had an off which resulted in cracked helmet, blood everywhere, X-rays and stitches to my head. That was just a Sunday afternoon messing around like we all do. Could have been a lot worse, like Schumacher. Thoughts go to him and his family - whether I cared about him as a driver or not, I have a enough empathy to imagine myself or close friends in that situation, so I have a little compassion to share here.
I can see some similarities with Martin Ashton here. Both had a terrible accident. Both performed at the top of their game prior to being struck down with life changing injuries. Why does one deserve universal sympathy and the other not? Why is it OK to be concerned about one, yet voice comments about 'why should it matter if he is a celebrity' about the other?
A fellow human being had an accident which was relatively straightforward after a life spent undertaking one of the most dangerous sports on the planet. I would say that regardless of the basic human tragedy here, the irony and poignancy alone command interest, celebrity or not.
I for one wish both of them and their families all the best
Neilco Sadly no homework tonight, am plenty old enough and been through enough to understand that people's energies and love should be spent on those closer to home rather than spent on what is a complete stranger.
I do also believe I am entitled to an opinion even if it doesn't conform to the masses.
I take it you're at the local Emergency Department this evening doling out tea and sympathy Mantastic?
Mantastic - I tend to find that people I respect learn from their experiences and develop understanding and empathy from these. Of course, I don't know what your experiences are, so maybe I need to stand corrected at some point and yes, one of the joys we have is that we all have an opinion and a forum to share it on.
As for energies? Fair point. There's a lot of people outpouring positive energy here. Not exactly my scene, but if that is what people want to do, then fair play, who's to stop them. I'd agree with you that energy should be spent on those that best benefit from it - likely your nearest and dearest rather than someone you have never met. Where I got confused was that you came back twice, now three times, implying a monitoring of this thread, to express negative energy. That's contradicts your statement and is just a little weird. Whether Schumacher is deserving of your thoughts is up to you, but common decency would tend to suggest that publicly and in an unsolicited manner declaring you don't give a toss is just a bit off, in my book. Not to mention trying too hard.
I do also believe I am entitled to an opinion even if it doesn't conform to the masses
You are perfectly free to out yourself as heartless and berefet of simple human emotions like sympathy and empathy for another plight as publicly and often as you like
Mantastic. The title of the thread or started first post wasnt 'so schu who gives a ****'? Was it.
So at best you are off topic
I do also believe I am entitled to an opinion.
Why is everyone who spouts this always a ****?
Hope he pulls through to some kind of normality.
Thanks for the personal insults. Seems to be common on here for those who don't tow the line.
Very mature
Don't feed the troll (he's probably got school in the morning).
Wow you're so brave to express such controversial views on a forum .
Toe the line by the way
Nothing to do with toeing the line. It's about a bit of respect and common decency.
I do hope that you never have to deal with anything like that in your life.
If you can't say anything nice, then don't say anything at al.
I lost my mother to a bad head injury. While we had her for a while longer after the accident, it was in a massively reduced capacity.
My thoughts are with his family, as well as with all involved.
Bigyin I have dealt with plenty hence my point above, invest your time and thoughts to those around you and not those who have bugger all to do with you and would probably ignore you if you passed them in the street.
Or wouldn't buy you a curry
Thanks for the personal insults. Seems to be common on here for those who don't tow the line.Very mature
Sorry, but the last line made me laugh... Have you actually read some of the rubbish that you've posted?
Now jog on son, you've stated on numerous occasions that you have no interest in whats happening with Schumacher.
This type of injury is so close to home for us bikers! Wishing Schumacher and his family all the best for the future and hopefully they can regain some form of normality
I know two guys who have been in comas, one of them for 5 weeks, and they've both made full recoveries.
Let's hope we see Schumacher's smug grin back soon to laugh at the penis-nosed monstrosities that will be racing F1 this season.
invest your time and thoughts to those around you
thanks for posting that on the internet
As per my post a wee bit earlier, those of us who ride bikes/do stuff with any additional risk over normal existing are just as likely to be one of those bad statistics. My head injury whilst messing up my face and leaving lifelong scars could very easily have been similar to MS. Yeah, I'm pissed off I fell off on a routine trail and messed up my good looks and will have a sore mouth for a long time, but jeez, look what the outcome could have been.
We all enjoy riding bikes/hill walking/climbing/skiing/whatever, sometimes it takes a sobering event, or being very aware on one through a story like this one, to make us realise that we are actually quite fragile and shouldn't take it all for granted. Also, with head injuries, if its that serious, its our loved ones that will suffer, not us.
Having recently watched » the crash reel « I,d like to think there's some scope for a good recovery doesn't sound good though. Anyone with a heart would sympathize with people going through this famous or not. Good luck to him and his family
Echoing that,
This type of injury is so close to home for us bikers! Wishing Schumacher and his family all the best for the future and hopefully they can regain some form of normality
Totally true.
'Mantastic' = a troll/****er/prick.
Yup, too many immature, attention seeking trolls on this particular thread.
Grow up and show some respect
Nothing to do with toeing the line. It's about a bit of respect and common decency.I do hope that you never have to deal with anything like that in your life.
The insults however which would in real life probably be threats of violence, serve to highlight that this thread isn't actually about Michael Schumacher. It's a therapeutic device for people who partake in a sport where such injuries occur and whom haven't come to terms with their own eventual deaths.
It's a therapeutic device for people who haven't come to terms with death.
It's not that at all...no matter how much you'd like to believe it.
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Oh...look, a funny meme picture.
And an edit.
You clever guy!
You seem like an angry person, if you're you're affected by anything in this thread, you can call the Samaritans at any time on 08457 909090.
Me, angry?
Yes, very. You seem able to read people very well and combine it with excellent communication skills. I love how you get your point across and always enjoy reading your contributions. Keep them up, please.
I must add, I loved your last use of sarcasm as I suspect from your post you already knew that sarcasm is anger and hostility disguised as humour.
Don't get too angry, you might hurt someone in a blind emotional rage over a celebrity you've only ever seen on tv.