Liz! Truss!

We know why she dismisses having housing targets…

“It’s easy to remember, it’s zero, you built none under that plan, zero in five years”@afneil asks Conservative Liz Truss how many of the 200,000 planned
starter homes the government announced in 2014 have been built #politicslive https://t.co/zUrURXMufm pic.twitter.com/akHckyBwwG

— BBC Politics (@BBCPolitics) November 21, 2019

I think the ‘Levelling Up’ Secretary may need to change his job title if he thinks his job description is to inflict yet more austerity on northern constituencies that have already had their public services and council budgets absolutely decimated, while wealthier leafier southern constituencies have got off relatively lightly

Britain has lived in a “fool’s paradise” for too long and must reduce public spending to help to fund the government’s £45bn worth of tax cuts, a senior cabinet minister has warned https://t.co/s0XvBdLLTD

— The Times and The Sunday Times (@thetimes) October 1, 2022

I’m sure this will go down great in the Red Wall areas with tiny Tory majorities

I’m starting to think that Truss could actually be a Labour plant, in the same way that the Tories got their sleeper cell Jeremy Corbyn in to make Labour unelectable

the Tories got their sleeper cell Jeremy Corbyn in to make Labour unelectable

FFS do you have to drag this same shit onto every political thread at every possible opportunity?

Try to deal with your bizarre obsession with Jeremy Corbyn 💡

We’ve had this discussion before comrade. It’s never me who brings him up

On this occasion it is though, because it’s looking like she is actually the Tory Jeremy Corbyn equivalent.

So completely clueless, possessing not a single shred of political instinct and so electorally repellent to most voters that the opposition simply can’t believe their luck.

Let’s be honest, they must be watching this utter shitshow in Labour central office in absolute disbelief. All their birthdays and Christmases all at once, just like Magic Grandad was for the Tory’s

I bet they can’t bloody wait for hers and Kwasi’s setpiece speeches at conference next week. The two of them will probably proudly announce their plans to abolish the NHS while casually lobbing kittens into a wood chipping machine on stage

On whether Starmer is perusing wallpaper samples…

Can the Tories really ride this out for another two years…sorry, can’t remember exactly when the 5 years are up. I mean, I know with their majority, they technically can, but as it looks like Truss is, if not already toast, then she’s about to be, does the electorate have to take yet another PM based on the PP’s machinations and then the membership? Just asking for what people think really…

Matthew Paris, that famous socialist, wrote an article in that left-wing mouthpiece The Times this morning, which started with the statement ‘She’s finished!’

It then went on to describe how Tory MP’s, pretty much none of whom wanted her as leader in the first place (ahem… sound familiar?) are coming up with any old excuse to avoid attending next weeks conference.

They don’t want anything to do with the present car crash and are terrified of being ambushed by news crews asking them to defend her on camera. Something pretty much everyone apart from John Redwood has managed to avoid doing so far.

To be fair, my MP (Mark Jenkinson) is actually busy tweeting all manner of tory bullshit. I suppose he’s loyal if nothing else.

He’ll be looking forward to the conference. At this rate the **** will be in the cabinet (although Truss hasn’t actually had to stoop that low yet).

My own 2019 intake Tory MP (James Daly) – a full on right-wing, Brexiteer headbanger – has also been very publicly supportive

Given that he has the smallest majority in the country (100 votes) I presume he’s angling for briefly enjoying a cabinet position before he’s sent packing in 2 years time

Not a peep from my MP Alastair Jack but that’s no surprise, I doubt he’ll make much of an appearance or say anything against Truss/kwasi over the Tory conference as he’s every bit as shit as they are.

Last time he made an appearance in town he was chased from the harbour by the fishermen throwing heavy shackles from the queenie dredges at him as he tried to do a photo opportunity/puff piece regarding fishing opportunities since Brexit. This time they’ve all said if he dares to ever show up again he’s going into the harbour along with his entourage.

It’s never me who brings him up

It always seems to be you who brings him up. You are clearly obsessed with Jeremy Corbyn.

You say “let’s be honest” but you are totally disingenuous about the support Labour received under Jeremy Corbyn.

There were two general elections under Corbyn’s leadership and even in the one in which Labour had the lower share of the vote, 2019, Labour still managed to get a higher share of the vote than under both Ed Miliband and Gordon Brown.

In 2019 Labour’s share of the vote was 32.1%, in 2015 under Ed Miliband Labour received 30.4%, and in 2010 under Gordon Brown 29%.

In terms of total number of votes Labour also did better under Jeremy Corbyn than under either Ed Miliband or Gordon Brown.

In 2019 Labour received 10.27 million votes, in 2015 under Ed Miliband Labour received 9.35 million votes, and in 2010 under Gordon Brown 8.6 million votes.

So more people voted Labour when Corbyn was leader than when either Miliband or Brown were leaders. The fact that the Tories have a huge majority is primarily because of the mechanics of the first past the post system, plus that neither Ed Miliband nor Gordon Brown had to contend with the collapse of the LibDem vote which overnight halved.

I was one of those voters who didn’t vote Labour under Brown and Miliband, but did in 2017 & 2019. Not relevant… but I thought I’d might as well join in with this derailment rather than fight against it… seems increasingly pointless to try.

Bonkers!

I get that people have got used to low interest rates and have planned with only this in mind but to increase as it has is an absolute wrecking ball, and why the BoE increase at the minimum to give people time to adjust.

I’ve been listening to all this “folk should’ve realised rates could increase” this week and loads of old folk (because they couldn’t be young, it was a long time ago) talking about how high the interest rates were when they bought – and they could afford it bollox.

Ordinary folk don’t (and can’t) play the market, we just buy what we can afford – and what they can afford is based on what they earn and what someone will lend us. No different currently when my kids have bought as when I bought first in 1985 or when my folks first did in 1969.

Interest rates are what they are, and yes you’ve to make assumptions, but if you make an assumption that your monthly mortgage could double – near enough none of us would be buying first time around.

And when I first bought in 1985, my mortgage was half my take-home – if it’d doubled, the keys would’ve gone back – no choice.

The Tories have f**ked up again, and like every other time they’ve f**ked up, they want to blame someone else.

Can the Tories really ride this out for another two years…sorry, can’t remember exactly when the 5 years are up. I mean, I know with their majority, they technically can, but as it looks like Truss is, if not already toast, then she’s about to be, does the electorate have to take yet another PM based on the PP’s machinations and then the membership? Just asking for what people think really…

I think they will. I belive if the sane few left try to replace her truss and her supporters will challenge them to a vote of confidence and they will also threaten to vote down in a vote of confidence any replacement.

Faced with the loss of their seats now or in two years those that want rid of truss will buckle and accept her for the two years

The hard right have worked for 20+ years for this and getting a pliant hard right puppet in no 10 is the final act of a slow motion coup. They will not let go easily when they have almost achieved their goal. I do not believe that more than a handful of tory mps will put the country before their own self interest

A petition to ask for a general election:

https://petition.parliament.uk/signatures/128823704/signed

Fun ahead on climate change… (and the constitution)…

????? Stone cold *stunner* of a story from my amazing colleagues @cazjwheeler and @RoyaNikkhah

Liz Truss has told King Charles III to “stay away” from COP27 summit as embattled PM looks to water down climate change commitments https://t.co/7uuSTsaR95

— Gabriel Pogrund (@Gabriel_Pogrund) October 1, 2022

A petition to ask for a general election:

322,000 people have signed this petition so far. If one million of you sign it, you will make me look like an anti-democratic coward if I completely ignore it, so definitely don't sign it, okay? You have been warned.https://t.co/vwoekcfolV

— Parody Liz Truss (@LizTruss_MP) October 1, 2022

Fun ahead on climate change… (and the constitution)…

It takes a special kind of stupid to witness temps of 40° this summer and not think the climate emergency isn’t a top priority

does the electorate have to take yet another PM based on the PP’s machinations and then the membership? Just asking for what people think really…

I asked pretty much the same thing on one of these threads the other day. Surely there’s a point where it becomes a case of constitutional integrity ( if such a thing exists anymore)to just keep swapping leaders and the different policies that come with them?

It’s never me who brings him up

On this occasion it is though, because it’s looking like she is actually the Tory Jeremy Corbyn equivalent.

You don’t bring up Corbyn except for when you bring him up. Gotcha.

Trailmonkey. No constitutional reason why not.

Whats needed is tory mps to act in the interests of the country but fat chance of that. Snouts in th trough andcself interested. None will risk a GE and losing their seats

This made me chuckle

#believeinthebin https://t.co/XWNeH7fFVj

— Rory Stewart (@RoryStewartUK) October 1, 2022

It’s never me who brings him up

On this occasion it is though

I don’t think you know what never means.

I asked pretty much the same thing on one of these threads the other day. Surely there’s a point where it becomes a case of constitutional integrity

Nope. Its part of the problem of having a constitution which is a mishmash of various laws and conventions dating back to when the cost of running a state and fighting your inbred relatives got high enough that the commoners had to be given a bit of say in return for taxes.
Its a tricky one though. Since if a new leader did automatically trigger a new election then mps would be far less likely to kick a bad one out since chances are the bad pm would have already put some of the mps jobs at risk.
I think the presidental model separated from the MPs does have something going for it.

Rory Stewart reckons she might have ADHD

Tory MPs are apparently getting threats from the whips to force them to attend their own party conference as they’re all making their excuses

I’m sure they’ll be made to applaud her insane ‘Pork Markets’ style ramblings too.

But this is definitely nothing like Putins Russia

There is a lot of sense in what Rory Stewart is saying there, though I don’t agree with all of it. Worth watching too as it’s about much more than Lizzy.👍

Something light… saw this clip on Channel4 news… he looked as if he knew that ultimately this is his turf…

Even Larry the Cat has had enough pic.twitter.com/VpHqHFhtdD

— Alexandros Pamnani (@AlexPamnani) October 1, 2022

On Kuenssberg right now – probably should move anything you can throw away from arms reach

It takes a special kind of stupid to witness temps of 40° this summer and not think the climate emergency isn’t a top priority

I’m sure liz and co can rise to that challenge.

Just think of the opportunities in oil,gas and fracking to generate that leccy required for the aircon units we are going to be sold.

Not the car crash I expected (hoped for) – she was quite well drilled and came across ‘OK’. But well drilled in avoiding giving any answers or substance. A non-apology – not that the mini-budget was wrong or needs reversing, rather that they should have briefed better beforehand. And clear avoidance of answering anything about cutting spending, matching benefits to inflation, etc. (it’ll all be revealed in 6 weeks) which either means they’re away finding other means to fund these tax cuts, or the cuts are coming. Or that they don’t actually have a plan.

[edit – just read Gove’s post interview comments. I wonder is there is a rebellion coming that would force a reversal]

Re the clip outside no10- she looks like Windy Miller waving outside his windmill

I always thought Truss was a little unbalanced but her interview on Tory Kuennsberg’s show have proved she’s actually a total melt.
Can only be a Labour agent.

Make no mistake, those tax cuts will be paid for by crippling austerity

Its all about removing state aid and wealth redistribution to the very wealthy.

Looks like Gove is setting himself up to lead the rebellion against Truss, clearly wanting too add another political assassination to his CV

Michael Gove says Liz Truss’s tax cut plans ‘not Conservative’ https://t.co/BhftCAeXHY

— The Guardian (@guardian) October 2, 2022

Downing Street has said any MP who voted against Kamikwaai’s insane budget will lose the whip.

Looks like another purge is in the offing, on top of Borises ejection of anyone remotely sane.

The Tory party is just going to be a rump of unhinged, far right, libertarian fruitloops, which I suppose was inevitable given the direction of travel since 2016

The Tory party is just going to be a rump of unhinged, far right, libertarian fruitloops

Which makes them incredibly dangerous to society

But this was always inevitable. What Truss is trying to do was and is the whole point of Brexit. It was a coup by the far right disaster capitalists

These policies were always a case of when, not if. We were always going to end up here, post-Brexit

But it looks like enough people are realising what they were conned into voting for, with a slick and well-funded campaign of misinformation by powerful vested interests

They certainly didn’t vote for this. Nobody did. Well… 81,000 Tory members did, I suppose

What we’re seeing now is the whole thing falling apart under the weight of its own lies, contradictions and fantasy economics

This article by Will Hutton in today’s Observer is bang on

Whisper it, but it was the folly of Brexit that paved the way for Truss’s crazy libertarian zeal | Will Hutton https://t.co/DCLe0TiT1s

— The Guardian (@guardian) October 2, 2022

Was supposed meet up last night with my white-van Brexit voting portion, of my mates to ask them about The Truss but needed to cancel at the last minute. Unfortunately most of them won’t be directly affected as they’ve paid off their mortgages and are bathing in work as their competitors the Polish plumbers have gone home.

Not the car crash I expected (hoped for)

Remind me to never get in a car with you 🙂

This is what it looks like when you've completely f***ed the UK economy and you know it.#bbclaurak pic.twitter.com/TikCFRrrYE

— Femi (@Femi_Sorry) October 2, 2022

It’s an absolute shitshow. She’s getting an ‘explain to me like I’m five’ on basic economics… from Laura Kuensberg.

The admission that HER OWN **** CABINET were not given advance warning, just by itself, drives the bus off the bridge.