Liz! Truss!

Another one

*Only* 30pts

Undoubtedly exaggerated and not likely to be repeated in a general election but nevertheless fantastic news for Labour, as even with a massive margin of error it still points to a very comfortable general election victory for Labour, were it to be held now.

However surprisingly recent opinion polls are not very good news for the LibDems. They suggest that the LibDems would struggle to match the support which they received last general election, which was half of what it was before Nick Clegg shafted them.

Great news for the Green Party though, all the polls consistently show them recieving far more support than in any previous general election.

And if the polls before the next general election predict a Labour landslide the Greens are likely to benefit further as the threat of a possible Tory victory diminishes.

In 6 weeks time when that report comes out 120,000 people will have been forced to sign up for mortgages they cant afford, or be homeless. Time itself will not make this better.

Some of those made homeless will be NHS staff, carers and volunteers who are already covering up the shit this Government has made. This won’t look any better in 6 weeks, it’s death by a thousand cuts, again.

I get that people have got used to low interest rates and have planned with only this in mind but to increase as it has is an absolute wrecking ball, and why the BoE increase at the minimum to give people time to adjust.

I have heard one Tory supporter state that all these polls where taken at the Labour conf…

I get that people have got used to low interest rates and have planned with only this in mind but to increase as it has is an absolute wrecking ball, and why the BoE increase at the minimum to give people time to adjust.

Then we’d have even more inflation.

The vote actually went;

0.25% rise : 1
0.5% rise : 5
0.75% rise : 3

So this was already the compromise. The only way they could raise them slower and not make things worse would be with a time machine.

Then we’d have even more inflation.

The vote actually went;

0.25% rise : 1
0.5% rise : 5
0.75% rise : 3

So this was already the compromise. The only way they could raise them slower and not make things worse would be with a time machine.

Ah right, I had one eye in it only as my fixed runs out mid next year, I thought they’d gone up at .25% stints to get to .75% not in those increments themselves as you say, but still they were doing the best they could to give people time to adjust while trying to keep inflation in check.

Interesting opinion piece from FT 

“We are now watching the real-time implosion of the governing party. It’s going to be a hell of a show, though sadly the tickets will prove expensive”.

Ah right, I had one eye in it only as my fixed runs out mid next year, I thought they’d gone up at .25% stints to get to .75% not in those increments themselves as you say, but still they were doing the best they could to give people time to adjust while trying to keep inflation in check.

I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s another 0.5% next time though. They’ll need to do something to slow down the pounds devaluation.

Back of a fag packet maths for someone earning £30k with a 200k/20year mortgage a further 1% interest rate rise from 4% to 5% would cost about £100/month. 10% inflation (i.e. from here to parity with the dollar) costs £250. So while it might hurt A LOT in the short term I’d rather they stopped the slide now than let things get worse.

A lot has happened since… but at one point we were discussing Truss’ efforts to get a trade deal with India (to show something she can claim as a Brexit benefit now that she has destroyed any chance of a USA deal in the near term with her posturing over NI in order to become party leader) and were talking about rumours as regards what she might do now she’s PM to make that happen. Talk was of a November deal from those briefing for her. Anyway…

Those steel tariffs are now leading India to threaten retaliatory tariffs on UK whisky exports.https://t.co/j6aidQg2Wa pic.twitter.com/qKES9uF0ZL

— Sam Lowe (@SamuelMarcLowe) September 30, 2022

Ironic given Tata’s involvement in UK steel production for a long time before deciding it wasn’t profitable.

grahamt1980

Honestly i don’t think they were expecting any of it, and I’m also not convinced that truss or kamikwazi actually care about the damage they are causing, only in some abstract way which means they might have challenges in their quest to destroy the welfare state and government services

Honestly i don’t think they were expecting any of it

Neither of them are that stupid… the economics part is the equivalent of sticking your tongue into the mains plug and being surprised. The only people who could claim differently are also looking for Elvis on the moon and convinced the earth is flat or running Turkey’s economy.

I’m also not convinced that truss or kamikwazi actually care about the damage they are causing, only in some abstract way which means they might have challenges in their quest to destroy the welfare state and government services

A bit of Occam’s razor here… Has Truss deeply held political beliefs that just happen to do 180’s (totally coincidentally to do with her career) OR she just doesn’t give a toss, has no morals or political beliefs?

Look at Brexit.. she’s totally on one side then the other whichever was expedient at the time.
Pretty much sums up her entire political career.

which means they might have challenges in their quest to destroy the welfare state and government services

I don’t think she ever had any illusions about being in place long enough to do either of those. IMHO she’s not stupid enough to think she’d survive long enough as PM to play the slow game so if you accept she simply has no morals or political beliefs she’s just in it for what she can make.

Equally assuming the same why would she care about destroying the welfare state and government services unless she can personally benefit from it?

My oh my

Current Labour Lead By Pollster:

YouGov: LAB +33%
Omnisis: LAB +32%
PeoplePolling: LAB +30%
Survation: LAB +21%
Techne: LAB +20%
Deltapoll: LAB +19%
Redfield & Wilton: LAB +17%

(All fieldwork between 27-30th)

Average: ? LAB +24.6%

— Election Maps UK (@ElectionMapsUK) September 30, 2022

wonder what crazy policy she’ll go for as a distraction ?

wonder what crazy policy she’ll go for as a distraction ?

Don’t worry, right wing bint says it’s all ok

"I think we're actually in a really good place"

International Trade Secretary Kemi Badenoch says many businesses have welcomed the economic policies set out by Liz Truss's government, adding "market turmoil happens fairly frequently" https://t.co/B6kFqwiHsR pic.twitter.com/MXwUDbSRyv

— Bloomberg UK (@BloombergUK) September 30, 2022

Don’t worry, right wing bint says it’s all ok

She’s just as bat shit crazy as the rest of them

Don’t make excuses. They are all perfectly sane.

Yaaay, we’re now to the right of Jair Bolsonaro

Truss has suddenly shifted the Conservative Party to become the most economically right wing party (let alone government) in the developed world.

And with what mandate? pic.twitter.com/mPcQew3gD3

— Mike Galsworthy (@mikegalsworthy) September 30, 2022

Don’t make excuses. They are all perfectly sane.

Depends if you consider psycopaths insane. A matter of much debate. Kwerteng appears to be one

She’s as mad as a tube of cats

I still think she could be a plant – installed to bring down the Tories from inside.

Let’s hope it’s quick.

for someone earning £30k with a 200k/20year mortgage

Pardon?

Although I suppose it could be through change in circumstances.

As petition calling for an early general election passes 100,000 signatures, furious Conservative Party members argue that huge political decisions shouldn’t be dictated by such a tiny percentage of the electorate.

— Have I Got News For You (@haveigotnews) September 30, 2022

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I still think she could be a plant – installed to bring down the Tories from inside

Like an overdose of Exlax?

Get ready for another big dose of “levelling up” ( ha ! )

Important moment here – Levelling Up Secretary Simon Clarke tells the Times that the “very large” welfare state needs to be trimmed. This is the clearest yet that some serious spending cuts are on the way. This is where we are headed: pic.twitter.com/RhdWZq9hfx

— Michael Savage (@michaelsavage) September 30, 2022

'Liz Truss hasn't understood a word I've written' – says her favourite author.
Me in @spectator https://t.co/MxiZKVV2r2

— Nick Cohen (@NickCohen4) September 30, 2022

Why am I not surprised that she read a book on economics and didn’t understand anything in it…?!

Get ready for another big dose of “levelling up” ( ha ! )

I’m living on benefits due to spms and unable to walk but if they try and pull this then I’ll be perfectly happy to do something appropriate to ensure my voice is heard

somafunk
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Get ready for another big dose of “levelling up” ( ha ! )

I’m living on benefits due to spms and unable to walk but if they try and pull this then I’ll be perfectly happy to do something appropriate to ensure my voice is heard

I honestly don’t think that the country will put up with another wasted decade of austerity. She is definitely going to try it though, 100%. Knowing that, in part, it is to fund the wealthy will likely send a good many over the edge.

Its a reasonable bet that this government will end in mass civil unrest that will make the poll tax riots seems like a garden party.

No, Tory MPs will move to replace Truss before it gets to the point of civil unrest. There is no real commitment to Truss among the majority of Tory MPs. Only 50 had her as their first choice out of a total of 357 Tory MPs.

Agreed.

Its a reasonable bet that this government will end in mass civil unrest that will make the poll tax riots seems like a garden party.

Theresa May’s ended with hundreds of thousands in Manchester Birmingham and London, remember what they were protesting? Much changed?

I don’t think they will replace her but neither do i see mass civil unresr.

Even in the article Ernie lonked to there were tory mps mps saying they couldn’t do so because of how chaotic it would look and where is a sensible candidate coming from?

Edit

I think if they do try to replace her the hard right erg looons will threaten to bote any new candidate down in the HOC and the rest will back off as too many will lose their seats.

Truss is the pinnacle of 2 decades work by the hard right to get their puppet in place and they will not let her be replaced. The will collapse the government first.

I’m living on benefits due to spms and unable to walk but if they try and pull this then I’ll be perfectly happy to do something appropriate to ensure my voice is heard

@somafunk I really hope that statement isn’t as dark as I’m taking it to be. If it is please speak to somebody. Easy to say, I know, but you’d be letting those bastards rob you of the one thing they can’t just take.

I think Liz should get an award

For the shortest term of prime minister in uk history.

Eventually the dumb electorate will realise the noise is all lies. The torys are not your friends, they pander to the richest whilst doimg their utmost to keep everyone else in a just about ok situation.

Best commentary on Liz Truss so far comes from…… *Checks notes….. Richard  Bacon??

More of Richard Bacon on Question Time please….

“Liz Truss has done more damage to the British economy than Brexit, the war in Ukraine and the pandemic…. And she’s done that since Friday”#bbcqt #bbcquestiontime #richardbaconpic.twitter.com/9sK99psfiQ

— Central Bylines (@CentralBylines) September 29, 2022

Truss is the pinnacle of 2 decades work by the hard right to get their puppet in place

And it lasted 10 minutes before it turned into a bin fire. I winder if there’s been any over 1st world country where this sort of extreme economic theory has been imposed?

Why am I not surprised that she read a book on economics and didn’t understand anything in it…?!

Thanks for that link. Despite it being in the Spectator… it’s really worth everyone reading.

Best commentary on Liz Truss so far comes from…… *Checks notes….. Richard Bacon??

Often surprisingly good at this sort of thing.

Mrs Zips mum had a fall in 2014. Ambulance turned up ,they put her in the ambulance and took her to hospital
More falls this year…the ambulance never turns up.
She is a lifelong Tory voter, well she was.

Sorry to hear that about your mum Zippy. Conservatives I know still blame Covid and immigrants for the NHS struggling though. First part has a ring of truth about it… but then who’s been in government since we’ve known about Covid…? It’s not new anymore, and it’s on their watch that all the shrugging about understaffing and burnt out workers has been going on (even more) since then. And as for immigrants… often fall out with my mum about that… she’d never vote Tory, but still falls for that line… sigh… newspapers.

So it turns out that according to Liz Truss Winston Churchill’s housing policy when he was PM were just like those of a communist dictator.

https://todayuknews.com/economy/the-housing-crisis-sits-at-the-centre-of-britains-ills/

In October 1950 at the Conservative party annual conference, Winston Churchill declared to a packed hall of delegates: “You’ve demanded that the target we should put in our programme is 300,000 houses a year. I accept it.” The rapturous applause that followed left him unable to finish his thought…….

…….And yet the idea of housing targets, such as those embraced by Churchill, was recently dismissed by Liz Truss, the new prime minister as “Stalinist”.

Liz Truss …… so right-wing that she thinks Conservative Party policies in 1950 were practically communist.