Labour Party problems

Memorial, funeral

1972 Terrorists, 1985 innocent victims

Those are just details

I went to Cambodia a few years back. Visited the killing fields so I’m a member of the Khmer Rouge.

Stood behind Ron Atkinson in the airport check-in. Must be a racist.

Hurray! Everyone above and below in Highgate cemetery is a Marxist.

https://www.opendemocracy.net/<wbr />ourkingdom/peter-oborne-james-<wbr />jones/pro-israel-lobby-in-<wbr />britain-full-text

Oborne (Telegraph, Spectator)

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/14/corbyn-wreath-terror-victims-memorial-israel-palestinian

This basically sums it up for me.

The main thing is that he is not vocal enough about his defense – he’s just seen by the public as weak, to add to his already being seen as duplicitous.

It’s pretty obvious to any observer that he’s a clueless fool, just look at his bike setup :

says the man that rides a motorised unicycle thing around in public…… 😉

The main thing is that he is not vocal enough about his defense

That’s a no-win scenario though. Personally I would love to see him take on the idiots and aggressively defend his stance not just on his attendance or not at funerals/memorials/conferences/tea-partys/whatever but also his views on Israeli policy, and how the media and his opponents are conspiring in a smear campaign.

However I’m not sure the general public will understand it if he did. Other than the fact that the media and his labour party critics would wail that they were right, he’d be seen as defending an indefensible position and being a weak leader for portraying himself as the victim of a hostile media.

He’s in a big hole with this. He successfully batted away the attacks on the IRA and being a Marxist/Communist/Militant, but this is on another level and I think he’s losing this battle. I suppose he’s hoping that come election time when he can bypass the media and present who he really is, people will see through it like they did with the other stuff.

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/aug/15/jeremy-corbyn-honesty-labour-wreath-mess

An interesting take on how Corbyn should handle the accusations against him. I’m inclined to agree, Corbyn’s biggest strength is his integrity and authenticity. People will forgive a lot if you’re honest about it.

Even the BBC admitting that the Daily Mail are bulshitting

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-45196409

Quite.

But that doesn’t really matter to a lot of people – and that’s the point. What has been achieved here?

The heat has been taken off of Boris.

The people who want to believe in the Fail have heard what they want/need to hear anyway, so have tuned out.

A lot of other people with the attention span of a gnat have also taken away a vague impression and this has become ‘fact’ for them. They don’t want to listen to long explanations – soundbites are where it is at for them.

The precision required to refute this stuff properly in the eyes of people who want things doing properly is just perceived as ‘noise’ and ‘expert opinion’ to people who just can’t be bothered to think.

I can’t remember the exact dialogue from Blackadder II and the counting beans scene, but Blackadder just ends up pleading: “Please try to have some thoughts, thinking is so important”.

I despair.

Now there are calls from Zac Goldsmith and others to throw the tory peer who attended this event out of the tory party

“In their letter to the Conservative party board, Halfon and Goldsmith wrote: “We cannot, as a party, rightly and robustly criticise the leader of the opposition for his attendance at this conference while allowing the attendance of a Conservative peer at the same event to pass without comment or complaint. To do so would be to indulge in hypocrisy and double standards.”

“A Conservative peer has said that calls for him to be expelled from the party because he attended the same Palestinian rights conference as Jeremy Corbyn are motivated by Islamophobia and his criticism of Boris Johnson.

Lord Sheikh has faced criticism for attending the 2014 event in Tunisia”

Corbyn’s biggest strength is his integrity and authenticity

countered by his niavety and clear lack of leadership – anytime there is an issue he just remians out of public view waiting for it to blow over.

anytime there is an issue he just reminas out of public view

Sensible adult refuses to get sucked in to farcical media smear campaigns.. How very, very dare he!

Turnerguy – he doesn’t tho.  What is happening is he is not given a platform by the media.  I read what he actually says and its clear and concise.

Sensible adult refuses to get sucked in to farcical media smear campaigns.. How very, very dare he!

So what are his opinions on Brexit – I would love to hear them along with what policy he wants Labour to follow.  After all he is the Leader

Now there are calls from Zac Goldsmith and others to throw the tory peer who attended this event out of the tory party

Card-carrying Islamophobe wants to throw Muslim out of the party. Surprise!!

Turnerguy – he doesn’t tho. What is happening is he is not given a platform by the media. I read what he actually says and its clear and concise.

rubbish – his team are adept at getting their message (or mis-message) out on social media whenever it suits them, with the advantage that he can broadcast a message and because it isn’t an interview he can’t be challenged.

what like this you mean?

rubbish – his team are adept at getting their message (or mis-message) out on social media whenever it suits them, with the advantage that he can broadcast a message and because it isn’t an interview he can’t be challenged.

He gets it out on social media because that is the platform not controlled by right wing nutters.  No point trying to go against the media as you can’t win when they have all the cards.

Your lack of understanding of the whole thing clearly points out the difficulty he has…

Loving Mark Steel’s piece in the Independent.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/jeremy-corbyn-islam-jewish-antisemitism-israel-labour-party-margaret-thatcher-a8494796.html

It gets worse and worse for Jeremy Corbyn and Labour. There’s a rumour that photos have emerged of a courgette grown on his allotment which is a similar shape to a rocket propeller used by al-Qaeda in Afghanistan.

He gets it out on social media because that is the platform not controlled by right wing nutters.

so why isn’t he using more in this case ? I’ll tell you why, because he isn’t any form of a leader…

Not that I am not saying that his judgement is wrong here, although he clearly is an attention whore* and goes to these events because he is well received by them.

*confirmed by comments from his assistent at the end of that documentary on him which might have on the BBC.

although he clearly is an attention whore*

what do they say about politics, Show business for ugly people? I don’t know one politician who isn’t in partly because they love the attention.

I think personally the problem Corbyn has is that he’s a 19th C politician trapped in the 21st century. He did a speaking tour of the UK last election, and people flocked to hear him, they were stood in the river here at Hebden, and TBH he was great, spoke elegantly, and passionately (something May seems incapable of) but his TV and social media seems to be a disaster, (look at the Virgin Trains fallout) so I think his team have just resorted to say as little as possible, which in todays soundbite driven 24 media just makes you look behind the game all the time.

Both major parties are doing a mighty fine job of making themselves un-electable. That said 80% of people vote the same way their parents voted or how they have always voted regardless of the leader or their policies. Just like Trump if you like him you will defend him to the hilt and if you hate him you will do everything to run him down……

wonder what Bojo will come up with to get the attention back on him?

People seem to forget how little we heard from Labour before the election. After the election was called and when the media had to give parity we suddenly heard plenty from them, people liked it and they didn’t get wiped out as predicted.

I’m no huge fan of Corbyn but maybe, just maybe the same’s happening now? If not please explain why it’s not.

Patrick Stewart is pretty much on the money for me:

https://news.sky.com/story/sir-patrick-stewart-breaks-with-labour-after-70-years-over-jeremy-corbyns-brexit-stance-11474870

His Brexit stance is making it bloody hard for me to support the Labour Party anymore and that frankly makes me feel sick.

His Brexit stance is making it bloody hard for me to support the Labour Party anymore and that frankly makes me feel sick.

I am not a fan of his Brexit stance but it doesn’t make much difference for me as he is not in a position where whatever his stance was would make any difference.  Brexit is also not party political and a no win situation for any party.

he was great, spoke elegantly, and passionately

Didn’t impress many at this event it seems :

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-authors-onestar-review-for-corbyn-a3916771.html

“I’ve always felt Corbyn is maligned by the mainstream media, so I went to this to hear him speak in a non-confrontational setting. What I learned is that is is flat, uninspiring, repetitive, dreary, inarticulate and vague. Bitterly disappointing and enraging”.”

“I honestly don’t know why so much effort and ingenuity has gone into smearing him, when the best way to make the guy look bad is just to hand him a microphone.”

twitter follow up :

https://twitter.com/will_sutcliffe8?lang=en

his Brexit stance

fools lots of people though – see the above from William Sutcliffe :

“He claimed to be anti-Brexit, but I got the feeling he would have said the opposite if the event had been in Sunderland”.

Didn’t impress many at this event it seems :

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/londoners-diary/the-londoner-authors-onestar-review-for-corbyn-a3916771.html

A poor review in the Standard? I don’t think that tells us anything one way or the other.

Patrick Stewart

If he’s campaigned for Labouf for 70 years then he *must* have campaigned to leave the EU the last time that was Labour Party policy. (Which totally coincidently was the last time the left took over.)

A poor review in the Standard? I don’t think that tells us anything one way or the other.

it wasn’t editorial comment from that paper though, was it – it was quotes from an attendee of the talk plus other attendees comments on his twitter feed.

it wasn’t editorial comment from that paper though, was it – it was quotes from an attendee of the talk plus other attendees comments on his twitter feed.

Which tells us – if the quote is accurate – that one person in the audience didn’t like it. As I said, the article doesn’t tell us anything one way, and in view of its editor, I’d be inclined to take it with a pinch of salt.

<p>Apparently all jews are zionists. Who knew?</p><p></p><p>http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6092435/Labour-MP-Luciana-Berger-hits-Jeremy-Corbyn.html</p&gt;

Also from the video of the speech [1] it’s seems he was talking about two specific Zionists, not Zionists in general. So really a non-story. Plus what he went on to say wasn’t especially extreme, just waffling on about history a bit. (Which I approve of!)

Mind you, the people he was sharing the stage with aren’t very helpful to his public image.

[1] Always worth seeing the whole quote in context.

[1] Always worth seeing the whole quote in context.

Yeah or just clock it’s in the mail and file in the bin

This is the same Luciana Berger who criticised Corbyn for opening a talk by Holocaust survivor Hajo Meyer and then leaving 5 minutes later, but is strangely silent concerning her colleague Louise Ellman attending the whole event?

That would be the one, yes.

I was more considering this bit though:

<p class=”mol-para-with-font”> ‘[British Zionists] clearly have two problems. One is they don’t want to study history, and secondly, having lived in this country for a very long time, probably all their lives, they don’t understand English irony either.'</p>
<p class=”mol-para-with-font”>He added: ‘They needed two lessons, which we could perhaps help them with.’

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Stephen Pollard, editor of the Jewish Chronicle, said: ‘This shows the reality of what Jeremy Corbyn thinks of Jews, somehow a breed apart from ‘normal’ English people.’
<p class=”mol-para-with-font”>Pollard added that he believed the Labour leader ‘used the word ‘Zionist’ obviously to mean ‘Jews’.’

</p>
I wonder, if I or more importantly Corbyn were to say all jews are zionists would that make us anti-semites?

Pollard added that he believed the Labour leader ‘used the word ‘Zionist’ obviously to mean ‘Jews’.’

Of course. And when he says “cabbage” obviously he means “runner bean”.

Somebody seems to be conflating Jews with Zionists. And it ain’t Corbyn.