Labour Party problems

Or Momentum?

Unlikely since Momentum was not on the ballot paper.

The conservatives, sorry moderates, in the party have always had an issue with Corbyn but what polices don’t they like as don’t hear them talking about them?

What policies do the moderates even want as presumably they don’t like Corbyn’s for some reason?

As a moderate, or Tory-lite, or ****ing Blairite or whatever this weeks insult of choice is, I don’t have a problem with any of Corbyns policies, other than on Brexit, obviously.

What I do have a problem with is his total ineptitude, complete absense of political nous, and i’m deeply Suspicious of the people around him.

Some of them are merely idiots (Dianne Abott FFS?) but some I see as dangerous. Corbyn is simply a puppet for the likes of John Macdonnel and some pretty dodgy bastards who I wouldn’t want anywhere near government, as Christ only knows what they’d get up to once in power.

But then, look at the shower who are nominally in charge of the country at the moment and it can’t possibly be worse, can it?

i guess that like a lot of people I’d just like the opportunity to vote for a political party that isn’t in the grip of people who appear to be completely unhinged, whether right or left, and I wouldn’t trust to run a bath

Political nous lol.

Go and chat to your sofa about Chuka and report back.

I’m despairing of the lot of them. It just seems they come in various flavours of uselessness.

Our political system is ****ed! The biggest illustration of that is that so many people cling to hope in a figure so evidently hopeless as Corbyn, or on the other side, Boris ****ing Johnson

Which could well be our choice at the next election. In which case, stop the world, I want to get off

Labour seem to be dissolving into a toxic nasty mess, the tories just stab each other publicly in the back whilst screwing things over for anybody who isn’t in their circle.

Those MP’s that are actually trying are just lost in the pile of excrement.

It’s like a black comedy, without the comedy.

Binners are you suggesting that the Shadow Sec for Business has been less than vocal in the Brexit process? That’s harsh on a potential new leader

Corbyn is simply a puppet for the likes of John Macdonnel

I went to see JMcD speak in Manc a couple of years ago as part of his roadshow about new ways of organising the economy. He had Paul Mason there as a guest speaking about post-capitalism. I knew very little about him at the time but he came across as being open to new ideas rather than fighting battles of the past and someone who truly wants to defend the working class and help the less well off. If that’s not someone who a labour voter can support I don’t know who is.

You can have Diane Abbot though, I’m really not a fan. But even then, she has suffered from a ridiculous amount of sneering abuse at the hands of a tory press and others who no doubt find her a very easy target due to her race, gender and background.

I’m not remotely Interested in her race, colour, or sex – I’m a fully paid up Guardian reader after all – I am bothered by the fact that she’s clearly as thick as mince.

JMcD is probably a bad illustration. I don’t actually mind him. But others behind Corbyn?

What intrigued me is that he doesn’t seem remotely interested in listening to his MP’s, or even the Unions, who are all massively anti-Brexit, for example, yet will happily parrot the words of someone like Seumas Milne who is just a left-wing Steve Bannon

I’m not remotely Interested in her race, colour, or sex

Yes I know that of course, but I do think the flak she gets from the RW press is largely driven by it. I do agree though that she often doesn’t demonstrate the intelligence of someone who could hold high office, hence my dislike of her. Do you think though she would be where she is if many of her supposedly more competent colleagues (Yvette Cooper for example) hadn’t thrown their dummies out the pram and excluded themselves from the shadow cabinet following their defeat?

I’ve said before about Corbyn, I think he’s keeping his powder dry on brexit. Time will tell I guess. As for listening to his MPs, I have no doubt he despises most of them. Wouldn’t you after everything that’s happened in the last two years? First they called him a trot, then they called him a terrorist sympathiser, then they tried the russian spy angle, now they are calling him a racist and comparing him to Hitler. Would you listen to them?

This mandatory reselection thing, is it likely to be voted on at conference?  Who votes?

This Waiting for Godot remake looks dreadful pic.twitter.com/dYlaeKWwr5

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This mandatory reselection thing, is it likely to be voted on at conference? Who votes?

It makes me think preference and lists will be better present a number of candidates for say 3 electorates and then the voters can choose who they prefer.

The easy solution to the deselection issue is primaries in advance of every election. Either open or limited to members or registered supporters. This idea that the incumbent should have an automatic right to stand again is stupid and a major cause of what Binners talks about above. It seems to work in the US.

I am bothered by the fact that she’s clearly as thick as mince.

Oh sure, a black working class girl who went to Cambridge in the 70s. They were ten a penny…

As for listening to his MPs, I have no doubt he despises most of them. Wouldn’t you after everything that’s happened in the last two years? First they called him a trot, then they called him a terrorist sympathiser, then they tried the russian spy angle, now they are calling him a racist and comparing him to Hitler. Would you listen to them?

I know this is intended as a bit of a defence of JC but i’m not sure it really comes across as such. In business, if you had a boss who hated his staff and whose staff all hated him, you wouldn’t conclude that all the staff need replacing.

I do agree that JC gets an unreasonably hard time of it – which he could have predicted – but i’m pretty disappointed at his failure to get his MPs on side.

In business, if you had a boss who hated his staff and whose staff all hated him, you wouldn’t conclude that all the staff need replacing.

To continue your wonky analogy, if the shareholders want to keep the boss, they’ll tell the staff to shape up or ship out.

Exactly. It’s not business, it’s democratic politics. The Labour Party is a democratic institution, the members voted for a leader. The MPs then challenged the legitimacy of this vote on the basis of the new supporter rule skewing the results. After trying and failing to prevent Corbyn from standing, and after changing the rules to prevent many of the previous supporters from voting for him, the members voted for him again in increased numbers. Now having exhausted the democratic route, they call him a racist. Anyone else wondering why these MPs still think they have the right to be taken seriously?

Just because you can calculate how many beans are in a tin, doesn’t mean you know how to open it.

thick as mince.

Just because you can calculate how many beans are in a tin, doesn’t mean you know how to open it.

thick as mince.

You’re looking increasingly desperate.

So when you look to the people you’d want running the country then the first on the list would be Dianne Abbot?

Did you somehow miss her stellar performance in the last election campaign?

I wouldn’t trust her to run a bath

So when you look to the people you’d want running the country then the first on the list would be Dianne Abbot?

No, I’d want Owen Smith.

Is it at all possible that she was just ill?

In any case, would you rather she was running the country (or rather a bit of it) as opposed to Boris Johnson, Michael Gove, Chris grayling, Jeremy hunt, Andrea Leadsome, Liam Fox, Dominic Raab, Karen Bradley etc? I’d have Abbott over any of those lot, in any position.

I’d have Abbott over any of those lot, in any position.

Nah, I’d rather carry on like a petulant teenager who didn’t get his own way.

As a moderate, or Tory-lite, or ****ing Blairite or whatever this weeks insult of choice is, I don’t have a problem with any of Corbyns policies, other than on Brexit, obviously.

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Big problem with the Brexit  thing is that most of Labour’s traditional following voted for it.

What’s a guy to do?

As regards to his policies, they’re pretty bloody excellent.

Unfortunately, like most people I was dubious about some of his links to the worst of old school left wing ideology.

And the anti semitism charge is sadly justified when applied to some of the thick bastards who don’t seem to be able to differentiate between a religion, a state, it’s government and it’s people.

And no, not keen on Dianne either, not because of her performance, but because of her hypocrisy regarding private schools.

But Blair didn’t represent me or many of the people I know. Yep, better than the Tories, but a **** of the first water.

I’m a  socialist.

And a Labour party member.

I feel JC is at least honest, if somewhat misguided and seemingly encumbered by his refusal to ditch the utter stupidity of the sixth form.

Your mate Andy Burnham? Nice bloke, absolutely no idea what he believes in, or why.

I’d vote for him if he stopped dying his hair,  stopped wearing make up on TV and (in seriousness) convinced me that his beliefs are those of the Labour party I’ve fought for all my life.

If you genuinely believe in socialism, get involved and change things from within. You can come and help me heckle the Hattons at Rochdale Momentum meetings, they don’t like me very much.

Otherwise, stop whining and go and join the  Liberals  🙂 They need a new logo.

Otherwise, stop whining and go and join the  Liberals

A lot of Labour MPs and supporters should be doing that as they clearly don’t believe in a real Labour party.  Nothing wrong with that and clearly better than staying in the wrong party and trying to bring it down/change it to a liberal party.

The trouble with FI or FO is that the current advocates did not follow their own advice.

Anyone watching the Corbyn interview on Andrew Marr? A couple of minutes on brexit and the conference. 20 minutes on whether JC is an anti-semite. Marr is making an idiot of himself.

You don’t think that it is important to highlight racism and question it ?

You don’t think that it is important to highlight racism and question it ?

Yes, but as it’s been discussed to death and I don’t think JC is the best person to address Racist former foreign secretary and his racist colleagues 😉  so maybe addressing the relevant topics of the day such as the state of the EU deal and negotiations are important.

Next news if they debate and vote for a second referendum at conference it’s going to be policy. Sounds sensible and democratic doesn’t it.

Usual stuff from Marr – a clip from his lovey-dovey fireside chat with “death to Arabs” Sacks, and the laughable attempt to gloss over the Enoch Powell reference – talk about outing yourself!  I suppose next week he will be asking Sajid Javed and TM to look at the camera and apologise for Windrush?  Aah – no, I thought not!!

i thought in fact Corbyn handled it pretty well.

Reports are surfacing of a police investigation into online anti semitic hate crime within the Labour Party.

Hopefully it is nothing more than a campaign by disgruntled elements within the party……

Reports are surfacing of a police investigation into online anti semitic hate crime within the Labour Party.

Well according to police chiefs, hate crimes don’t matter, so I can’t see this taking off (even supposing it was real)

No link to these reports?

It’s now being reported on the BBC.

Maybe it will be handily brushed under the carpet by Drj’s police chiefs?

Well from the BBC

But she insisted the Met was “not investigating” the Labour Party itself.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-46070229

Or a more accurate claim would be an investigation into somebody who is a member of the Labour party.

I wonder when we will take a serious look at the racism on the other side of the benches…

For my money Kier Starmer is a shoe-in for next Labour PM

Or a more accurate claim would be an investigation into somebody who is a member of the Labour party.

It had previously passed the material to ex-police officer Mak Chishty, who said that 17 instances should have been reported to the police for investigation, and another four were potential race hate crimes.

LBC said the allegations included threats against MPs, including a message on Facebook that a female Labour MP was a “zionist extremist…who hates civilised people” and is “about to get a good kicking”.

So – police investigating 17 Labour hate crimes does not equal a problem with the party at all ?

It comes as a new <i>Populus/BICOM</i> poll found that 38% of Brits believe that Corbyn himself is anti-Semitic. Only 1 in 4 people agreed that he was a <i>“committed campaigner against racism of all kinds, including antisemitism”</i>, while as few as 19% believed that he had <i>“worked hard to deliver peace between Israel and the Palestinians”</i>. Almost double that number instead thought that he <i>“only seems interested in talking to those organisations which have been deemed terrorists by the British Government, the EU and the US State Department”</i>. <i>The fish rots from the head.</i>..

https://order-order.com/2018/11/02/criminal-investigation-into-labour-anti-semitism-as-38-believe-corbyn-is-an-anti-semite/

People are getting Woke.

I’m surprised it’s only 38%, given the coverage.