Jeremy Corbyn

EDIT: I see you said “an element of” I would be happy to look at that but we do already have that in stamp duty, as noted ours at bottom/middle end is mich lower than here in France where it’s 2% for new build and 8% for all others with no low rates / zero band like we have in the UK.

@ulysee we have that already via stamp duty which has recently been substantially increased (we now have amongst the highest at the top end combined with some of the lowest at the bottom/middle end). BTW a land value tax would have the effect of putting London rents up very substantially. Also I would imagine that there would be some kind of massive fudge for central London Council flats eg those in Chelsea, Kensington, Pimlico and Westminster otherwise local councils would have a very big bill to pay. If there was a high land value tax I for one would just live somewhere small and cheap – then maybe have a nice holiday place abroad ? I think the biggest impact of a LVT would be to sunstantially reduce property prices accross the board making a very large number of people poorer and thus achieving very little.

As an aside the Swiss (in certain Cantons) have a wealth tax, it is about 0.25% but it’s only payable if you don’t pay other taxes to that amount.

Unfortunately Abbott dropping the bomb on LBC took the focus off May’s woeful efforts on the Sunday politics shows, two steps forward, one step back!

May was excellent on Marr. I don’t watch Peston, the best bit of him moving to ITV is I don’t have to listen to him.

I think in fairness to STW posters I will not say anything negative about Labour for the rest of the week. Abbott’s car crash today has inflicted sufficient damage, humiliation even already.

Just imagine how much fun TeamHurtmore would be having here today !

#PrayforDiane

May was excellent on Marr

Mummmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyy

#jambafact

jambalaya – Member
Just imagine how much fun TeamHurtmore would be having here today !

Aye I can imagine the non-tory voter is basking in the glory of this tory wonderland! 😆

Tell the big steak a piss i said to get his arse back! 😆 his ban still running?

Just imagine how much fun TeamHurtmore would be having here today !

if only he had not had so much “fun” at others expense he did not get a ban.

Cant believe the Tory political broadcast tonight didn’t have a single policy and just spent the time slamming Corbyn as an unsafe pair of hands

Diane Abbott, basically she’s stealing a living off the taxpayer right?

Tell the big steak a piss i said to get his arse back

I passed him your regards and he sends his. I have suggested to him to do the opposite

Not everyone loves your leader jambayla. In fact they’re even shouting for Corbyn. Who’d have thought eh. 😆

jambalaya – Member

May was excellent on Marr.

ROFL. She was awful by any measure.

And now Donald & Si’s mates are relying on food banks

More and more officers are now approaching their force welfare fund, which is a charity set up to support police officers who are on rock bottom. They cannot afford to pay household bills or buy the basics such as food.

edenvalleyboy – Member

Not everyone loves your leader jambayla. In fact they’re even shouting for Corbyn. Who’d have thought eh.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=XhesL_SVoHA According to some reports, this was an organised group of Socialist Party members. One clip of the same scene from the other angle made it look like about 30 people. They could be wrong, but don’t necessarily get sucked into the ‘fake news’ of social media. I was a victim yesterday when I repeated an internet myth that May’s husband was a G4S shareholder.
I’m now being extra-careful 🙂

kimbers – Member

Unfortunately Abbott dropping the bomb on LBC took the focus off May’s woeful efforts on the Sunday politics shows

Yup- and obviously lots of people working hard to keep spinning that. Thing is, she fumbled a couple of numbers and made an arse of herself… whereas May didn’t fumble anything, she said exactly what she meant to say. Labour corrected the figures, the Tories stand by every word.

I think I’ve just spotted the flaw in the plan to appeal to the people who don’t vote… 😀

Seriously, looks like the core vote held up to some extent & “underdog” status will do no harm at all next month. Not quite as bleak as many feared.

“underdog” status will do no harm at all next month.

Sadly, there’s a corresponding reverse ‘bandwagon’ effect in which voters back the party they think is going to win, rather than the one they would support in a closer contest.

Sadly, there’s a corresponding reverse ‘bandwagon’ effect in which voters back the party they think is going to win, rather than the one they would support in a closer contest.

Thanks, to my astonishment, there is:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-rothschild/understanding-how-polls-affect-voters_b_2009034.html

I deffo lean the other way – If I thought a party I wanted to win was a shoe-in I would be far less likely to bother to vote. If I thought a party I wanted to win was strugging (but had a chance) I would be far more likely to vote. I thought that effect that might have explained to some degree Clinton losing to Trump.

Not quite as bleak as many feared.

I’d agree. The tories were always going to mop up the UKIP vote seeing as they’ve basically become them, but the UKIP collapse is also good for labour. Also it would appear that the libdem revival is not as big a threat to labour as some think it is so I’d say there’s a lot to play for. I’m not saying labour could win but if Corbyn sticks to the policies and May continues her soundbite-robot act this supposed landslide may well evaporate.

I’d agree. The tories were always going to mop up the UKIP vote seeing as they’ve basically become them, but the UKIP collapse is also good for labour.

Half UKIP support was core labour, UKIP dissolution is sending core labour votes to the conservatives

Allegedly the conservatives are complaining JC doesn’t get enough airtime as well, MSM twitter accounts compliant about lack of access, where is he today?

Surprised by lib dem performance at these elections.

Diane Abbott quote on how council elections might overstate Labour support:

This is a relatively low turnout type of election. At the general we will have a higher turnout. And I believe that Labour voters will be repelled by Tory triumphalism and the notion of giving Theresa May some kind of blank cheque.

(Re LibDems)Thought they’d do better? Me too. But plenty more results yet.

I will be voting Labour in GE but voted Plaid in the LE. (Labour council leader is a twit)

Where is Mr Corbyn? Is it his day off?

I’d just like to thank all those who voted for Corbyn as leader for the wonderful results we are seeing today.

Without us, this wouldn’t have happened.

Where is Mr Corbyn? Is it his day off?

Day off in Leiu after electioneering on Sunday

But don’t worry, he’ll be back tomarrow

cranberry – Member
I’d just like to thank all those who voted for Corbyn as leader for the wonderful results we are seeing today.

Without us, this wouldn’t have happened.

Im sure your ego will not accept it, but i believe corbs support within labour was enough to see him elected as leader with or without the efforts of any rightwing trolls!

Tory Mayor for Teeside – yep you read that right.

I’d just like to thank all those who voted for Corbyn

Don’t worry Kimbers – you get credit where it is due too.

Do you still think that the Conservatives are scared of having to face him as leader ?

dragon – Member

This is a relatively low turnout type of election. At the general we will have a higher turnout.

She’s right, of course- more so for the mayoral elections because nobody gives a shit. So some people are getting very excited about the Tees major being a Tory, but he was elected by a tiny majority in an election with 21% turnout, with 8.2% of all possible votes in the first round and almost exactly 10% in the second- a .25% swing or, because of the small numbers, about a 1% increase in labour turnout would have won the first round.

So they’re all interesting but in terms of statistical significance it’s all about the nonvoters who will vote in the election, even a couple of per cent rise in turnout throws it all out the window. It definitely gives the tories momentum, though. And possibly gives nonvoters a kick, seeing how small the turnouts and margins are.

The turnout demographics’ll be fascinating, traditionally council elections attract an older voter anyway just because they have more invested but who knows what happened this time, these aren’t normal elections.

She’s right, of course

She is, but Government’s generally do better in General Election than Council Elections.

Surprised by lib dem performance at these elections

Yep, thought their more blatant anti-Brexit stance would reap dividends, but apparently not.

Is someone going to nip up to the allotment and let him know the results then?

mefty – Member

She is, but Government’s generally do better in General Election than Council Elections.

Aye, absolutely- normally you’d expect Labour to show strongly. But these aren’t normal elections so I’m not sure how much the normal logic will apply.

OTOH the facts of that probably aren’t all that important, the big impact of this is going to be the perception and that’s all going one way. Sticking with Tees, statistically it’s absolutely meaningless, but a win’s a win and numbers are soon forgotten- that’ll be a spectacular victory, not a fractional win in a vote for who cares.

(actually, it’s a lovely set of numbers… Of the potential second preference votes less than 3/4s were for the runoff candidates (I don’t know if they do breakdowns of all second preferences, but I doubt the others were UKIP people voting Lib Dem and vice versa so it seems fair to assume that the deficit is from people who didn’t cast a second preference.

The casting votes were essentally 1500 second preference votes out of 22000, and if my assumption is right then there were about another 7000 unused 2nd votes. Talk about unexercised power.

footflaps – Member

Yep, thought their more blatant anti-Brexit stance would reap dividends, but apparently not.

Again, hard to know what effect that has on local elections. It could well be that the sort of voter that’d be strongly led to vote by an anti-brexit stance, won’t do it in council elections where it means nothing. Or perhaps not. It does look like the Tories move to make the council elections in Scotland about independence might have paid off…

Just saw John McDonnell(SP) on BBC News, he’s a superb performer, every time.

I really feel for him, every time anyone else faces the media they **** it up, he can’t trust any of them not to create a media **** storm. He’s also got to come up with economic policy.

…and he’s had a heart attack.

Must be very frustrating for him.

In other news Farron’s really impressive too with his performance today. He said exactly the right thing with exactly the right tone. Every time he’s got himself in the news this week he’s come across really well AFAIC.

On the news Jezza has described the results as ‘disappointing’, with all the conviction of a man who’s commenting on his broad beans being slightly under par

Yep, thought their more blatant anti-Brexit stance would reap dividends, but apparently not.

That’s not a vote winning strategy is it. Tory remainers aren’t going to vote Lib Dem in sufficient numbers. Labour Remainers ditto. Everyone knows the Lib Dems have ZERO chance of forming a government so there will be no second Referendum

Read a rumour that Labour will support Proportional Representayion in their manifesto on May 15th. That could really backfire, its like they have given up on ever forming a majority Government.

Sadly, there’s a corresponding reverse ‘bandwagon’ effect in which voters back the party they think is going to win, rather than the one they would support in a closer contest

Surely this is not a surprise if you consider how many “fans” teams like say Manchester United or Real Madrid have among people who can’t find Manchester or Real on a map?

He’s also been in Liverpool congratulating Corbynista Steve Rotherham on his Mayoral election victory in Liverpool.

Apparently Andy Burnhams team let it be known that they wouldn’t be offended if he didn’t feel it necessary to pop over to Manchester while he was up north

Congratulations and best of luck to Andy Burham. (edit: binners 🙂 )