jacob rees mogg dog

ninfan – Member

His position is ridiculous! “I believe/do whatever the Pope says!” FFS

Interesting, so you presumably support the repeal of the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829?

No I dont but I expect people of whatever religion or organisation (unions etc) to be able to judge each issue on its merits rather than say “I just think what the boss tells me to”

I’m not reading the whole thread to check if already posted, but – in relation to the opening post – the current issue of Viz includes ‘On the bog with Jacob Rees Mogg’.

No I dont but I expect people of whatever religion or organisation (unions etc) to be able to judge each issue on its merits rather than say “I just think what the boss tells me

Avoid politicians in general then (and their lackeys)

Mmm let’s see…
Religious fundamentalist…
Extreme political views…
Use of complex language to mislead..
From a privileged background…
Sense of a higher purpose..

Osama Bin Mogg

The man is abhorrent and an affront to any decent human being.

So when he gets the leadership of the Tories and PM by default? as we all know Theresa ain’t going to last, so you poor people better find someplace to hide as you lot are picking veg and waiting tables for less than the minimum wage as there are no foreigners allowed in.

Don’t suppose the oppressed working poor expected any of this when they voted to get rid of the EU overlords. I just can’t stop laughing, i really had over estimated the average bods intelligence in the UK. No wonder Nigerian Prince scams work.

If he was a moderate muslim, who voted in a similar way, maybe even voted against pro-alcohol laws; took a hard line on decency or pornography laws, the sit-down-pissers of STW would feel compelled to demonstrate how “right-on” they are by supporting his right to let his faith dictate his views.

Oh yeah.

That’s definitely how it would go.

NOT.

Mogg is as out of touch with reality as Bin Laden was.

Fing tard.

The sooner he’s PM the sooner the Tories will disappear up their own arses. His brand of bigotry has no place in the 21st C.

His brand of bigotry

Where has R-M expressed any sort of hostility to those who hold a different opinion?

Indeed, one might suggest that the only people expressing any form Bigotry over this issue are those who support abortion

I honestly thought nothing could top May but having that absolute drip of a man as PM really is what we deserve as the icing on the brexit cake.

https://rochdaleherald.co.uk/2017/09/06/gay-sex-reserved-priests-altar/

Where has R-M expressed any sort of hostility to those who hold a different opinion?

I think you need to look up the definition of bigotry….

Hint: aggression is not a prerequisite…..

Why am I not surprised to find Toryboi in Mogg’s corner….

ninfan – Member

Where has R-M expressed any sort of hostility to those who hold a different opinion

http://www.itv.com/news/2017-09-06/jacob-rees-mogg-completely-opposed-to-abortion-even-if-the-woman-is-raped/

abortion is morally indefensible.

Sounds pretty hostile 🙄

Indeed, one might suggest that the only people expressing any form Bigotry over this issue are those who support abortion

That goes without saying – have you forgotten the Marie Stopes thread?

JRM comments – at least as reported, since I haven’t hard them first hand – made his views on how other people’s views should be treated very clear. The contrast is marked but unsurprising.

councilof10 – Member

If he was a moderate muslim, who voted in a similar way, maybe even voted against pro-alcohol laws; took a hard line on decency or pornography laws, the sit-down-pissers of STW would feel compelled to demonstrate how “right-on” they are by supporting his right to let his faith dictate his views.

The reason people are so intolerant of Mogg’s views aren’t because he’s a Catholic, it’s because he’s posh!

Like I said, bigots. Bitter little bigots.

What a lot of utter shite.

The reason for me is because his views are intolerant and he is a conceited twerp.

The fact he is playing the panto Tory “boooo, hisssss” to boost his profile should be laughable, but the level of political discourse that actually influences the public is now so puerile that it is actually getting him where he wants to be.

Sounds pretty hostile

his views are intolerant

Sounds like you have responded to a newspaper headline rather than watching the actual interview

Complete lack of any hostility or intolerance.

The only hostility and intolerance is from those who disagree with him.

As he says:

“It’s all very well to say we live in a multicultural country until you hold the traditional views of the Catholic church, and that seems to me fundamentally wrong, people are entitled to hold these views, but also the Democratic majority is entitled to have the laws of the land as they are, which do not go with the teaching of the Catholic church, and will not go with the teaching of the Catholic church”

Indeed!

Why am I not surprised to find Toryboi in Mogg’s corner….

Personal insults to the fore, no surprise

Lefty never voting Tory STWers revel in insulthing those with differemt views, bigotry indeed

Lefty never voting Tory STWers revel in insulthing those with differemt views, bigotry indeed

You too?

Quelle surprise…..

He has a point though, whats the point in democracy if you’re going to waste dicourse on ad homien mud slinging?

That and it’s surely one of the central pillars of a liberal democracy that people are allowed to think things but allow the majority to form the decisions?

That and it’s surely one of the central pillars of a liberal democracy that people are allowed to think things but allow the majority to form the decisions?

Indeed.

But don’t be surprised when such an abhorrent stances is met with an equally strong opposition.

Newton’s 3rd.

And someone had to stand up for the defenceless – they have no other voice

an abhorrent stance

Suggesting that killing babies is a bad thing is abhorrent now is it?

I don’t personally agree with his stance on abortion, but I certainly don’t find it ‘abhorrent’

Perhaps you could explain why you do?

That and it’s surely one of the central pillars of a liberal democracy that people are allowed to think things but allow the majority to form the decisions?

They can think and also say things but what they cant expect is for others not to think and say things in response.
The problem with these special snowflakes is they want the right to say what they want but get upset when people express their opinion.

Discreet difference between ‘I respectfully disagree’ and ‘everyone who disagrees with me is a ****ing fascist ***t’ isn’t there ?

Its very clear who is and who isn’t getting upset here.

Perhaps you could explain why you do?

You feel its ok to force a woman to bear a child after being raped?

Discreet difference between ‘I respectfully disagree’ and ‘everyone who disagrees with me is a ****ing fascist ***t’ isn’t there ?

Perhaps thats why the latter only exists in your imagination aint it?
Although to be fair there will be some loony lefties who believe that I dont see evidence of them here so its irrelevant to the thread as it stands.

Perhaps you could explain why you do?

A woman whose been raped whos forced to carry the baby to term is denied control over her own body?

Yeah, I call that abhorrent.

Mogg & abortion

“Asked whether his opposition applied in cases of pregnancies resulting from rape or incest, he replied: “I’m afraid so.””

You feel its ok to force a woman to bear a child after being raped?

You think it’s ok to murder a healthy baby that’s done nothing wrong because of who it’s father was?

What proportion of abortions are down to rape? Maybe 0.1%? How about the rest? How does that tiny proportion justify the legalisation of the other 185,000?

thisisnotaspoon – Member
He has a point though, whats the point in democracy if you’re going to waste dicourse on ad homien mud slinging?

Oh, I quite agree.

Have you seen the Corbyn thread?
An edifying example of how our resident right wing ideologues insist on playing the ball, not the man.

Maybe 0.1%? How about the rest? How does that tiny proportion justify the legalisation of the other 185,000?

Sauce?

You think it’s ok to murder a healthy baby that’s done nothing wrong because of who it’s father was?

You think it’s ok to force a woman to carry a baby to term when the father is a rapist?

What has the baby done wrong?

Would it be OK to kill the rapist?

The problem with these special snowflakes is they want the right to say what they want but get upset when people express their opinion.

My point was that; people aren’t expressing an opinion on the issue, they’re saying things like:

mrlebowski – Member
Mogg is as out of touch with reality as Bin Laden was.

Fing tard.

oldmanmtb – Member

Osama Bin Mogg

The man is abhorrent and an affront to any decent human being.

Isn’t really dealing with politics.

What did the woman do wrong?

Ad infinitum…..

I believe that upto a date – & I’m no expert – abortion has its place. But to deny that choice? Particularly when the pregnancy is the resujt of rape, or not in the interest of the Mother say underage, or the child will be severely disabled…….then yes abortion is a choice which should be available.

To force a woman to have a child when it’s plainly a bad idea?

That’s wrong.

What’s your answer?…. say in a case of rape, or underage, or severe disability…?

Would it be OK to kill the rapist?

Do you want to?

Isn’t really dealing with politics.

True, but it winds up the storm front subscribers!

😆

What’s your answer?…. say in a case of rape, or underage, or severe disability…?

And where does that relate to what he said this morning?

He said he doesn’t think abortion is morally right. Which to me is a fair enough stance, he’s not proposing a change to the existing law though. That’s just the opposite way of arriving at the same ‘pro choice’ conclusion in a democracy.

What’s your answer?…. say in a case of rape, or underage, or severe disability…?

Ok, let’s play your game… we’ll agree to legalise it in all those cases.

Going by the stats here: http://abort73.com/abortion_facts/uk_abortion_statistics/ That’s about 5% of all abortions.

US study reckons about 5% of reported rapes result in pregnancy: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8765248
Police record about 25k rapes per year: https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/oct/13/reported-rapes-in-england-and-wales-double-in-five-years. So that would be 1250 (so, absolute tops of 0.625%, (a bit higher than I had guessed)

So, if we exclude the rapes, the disabled babies, the births that would risk the health of the mother etc, then we are left with 95% of abortions, somewhere around 185-195,000 a year that you are happy banning.

That’s a good start isn’t it?

That’s a good start isn’t it?

I like the attempt to change the subject. The question is about forcing women to continue the pregnancy in all of those cases.
Where do you stand on that?

The question is about forcing women to continue the pregnancy in all of those cases.

Who has suggested doing that?

“Asked whether his opposition applied in cases of pregnancies resulting from rape or incest, he replied: “I’m afraid so.”

Mogg opines that any abortion is wrong, he agrees with the Catholic Church that abortion is a grave evil – I’m just extending that to areas where abortion might be considered a viable course of action.

He’s entitled to his opinion – I just find it rather unenlightened to put it mildly.

So, if we exclude the rapes, the disabled babies, the births that would risk the health of the mother etc, then we are left with 95% of abortions, somewhere around 185-195,000 a year that you are happy banning.

I’m not banning anything – I’m giving the mother the choice..