How come the I’m-more-liberal-than-thou STW bedwetters are so keen to respect the most outlandish beliefs – whether religious or cultural – and yet you refuse to respect the religious beliefs of JRM?

There are none more bigoted than self-professed liberals.

Because he is a ****.

I’m sure Jacob and I would get on like a house on fire. Preferably his.

Speaking of houses on fire. Wonder how he will get on with the DUP lot?

councilof10 – Member
How come the I’m-more-liberal-than-thou STW bedwetters are so keen to respect the most outlandish beliefs – whether religious or cultural – and yet you refuse to respect the religious beliefs of JRM?

There are none more bigoted than self-professed liberals.

please show me where us lefties respect these outlandsh beliefs?

I think its all in your head!

How come the I’m-more-liberal-than-thou STW bedwetters are so keen to respect the most outlandish beliefs – whether religious or cultural – and yet you refuse to respect the religious beliefs of JRM?

I’ve been banned more than once for crossing the line in threads on terrorism…

please show me where us lefties respect these outlandsh beliefs?

If he was a moderate muslim, who voted in a similar way, maybe even voted against pro-alcohol laws; took a hard line on decency or pornography laws, the sit-down-pissers of STW would feel compelled to demonstrate how “right-on” they are by supporting his right to let his faith dictate his views.

The reason people are so intolerant of Mogg’s views aren’t because he’s a Catholic, it’s because he’s posh!

Like I said, bigots. Bitter little bigots.

There is a perfectly logical line between infanticide and abortion, does it feel pain?

At what age can a fetus feel pain?

But the issue/compromise at the moment is that the latest date for an abortion is around the same time as advances has allowed the baby to become viable.

Frankly it’s a minefield and I don’t envy anyone who has to make decisions in it.

Yeah. I was reading awhile back that unborn babies at 23 weeks can survive but always with disability, often severe. Because of this many doctors abroad do not keep 23 week old fetuses alive. In the UK we keep them alive at 23 weeks and some horrifically disabled people are born because of that. Who’s wrong? F**ked if I know. Beats me how anyone can say 24 weeks is the only valid answer and everyone else is wrong.

Frankly, it seems to be the three most logical points for considering ‘life’ to have begun are birth, conception and perhaps 3 months.

It’s that same phenomenon that makes kids like panto. An uber-stereo type caricature act that everyone thinks they can easily either boo or cheer, without having to try too hard to think about stuff.

A sad indictment of where our politics are.

Nahhh you’re just a butt hurt conservative.

At what age can a fetus feel pain?

After the current abortion limit. Its easy to look it up.

the sit-down-pissers of STW

Like I said, bigots. Bitter little bigots.

😯

I think we need to talk about your chakras

perhaps some crystal healing will realign your energy flows?

Frankly, it seems to be the three most logical points for considering ‘life’ to have begun are birth, conception and perhaps 3 months.

Misses the point, we arent arguing where life began – we are arguing over when we can morally terminate it.

Moggs interpretation of that is soley based on a book of sky fairies and myth.

After the current abortion limit.

Cite!

Its easy to look it up.

Good, you won’t take long to find it, then.

Frankly, it seems to be the three most logical points for considering ‘life’ to have begun are birth, conception and perhaps 3 months.

That would make sense to me but I’m glad I’ve never been in a position where I’ve had to make a decision based on this.

Third trimester or 27 weeks.

Well after your three month limit.

Third trimester or 27 weeks.

Cite!

I’m glad I’ve never been in a position where I’ve had to make a decision based on this.

Ditto.

Alive but asleep.

https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html

This ones for councilof10,
quick look & the first 4 muslim MPs came to mind voting records….

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24958/rushanara_ali/bethnal_green_and_bow/votes

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24822/nadhim_zahawi/stratford-on-avon/votes

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11087/khalid_mahmood/birmingham,_perry_barr/votes

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/11878/sadiq_khan/tooting/votes

now whos the biggot again?

awaits another urine related response

Hah!

https://www.livescience.com/54774-fetal-pain-anesthesia.html

You are seriously claiming that article supports a definitive 27 weeks? It’s packed with detail about how hard it is to know!

However, let’s go with your claim that 27 weeks is the definitive point where fetusses can feel pain and therefore the point where it’s no longer ok to remove them.

That means you’re agree with Rees Mogg that 24 weeks is not the appropriate point. The only difference is you think it’s wrong one way and he thinks it’s wrong the other way.

This ones for councilof10,
quick look & the first 4 muslim MPs came to mind voting records….

I think you need to go back and reread what I posted…

I think its probably best to be cautious….hence 24 werks.

…. its packed with detail you don’t understand…. so you think the evidrnce doesnt support 27 weeks because you dont understand all the available evidence… but fMRI doesnt lie….

I think its probably brst to be cautious….

I’d have thought you’d argue the cautious approach would be not to force women who are victims of rape to “carry and raise the child”.

Instead you’re arguing that caution lies with favoring the child’s ‘right’ to life over the mothers right not to have an unwanted child. Are you Rees-Mogg in disguise?

zippykona – Member

Farron had to resign for being a Christian

No he didn’t, he resigned after completely mishandling the issue, and refusing on several occasions to clarify his own position where his personal opinion runs counter to party policy, it was as much about credibility and competence as it was about faith.

Farron had to resign for being a Christian

No he didn’t,

Yes he did, he stated exactly why he resigned:

Even so, I seem to be the subject of suspicion because of what I believe and who my faith is in.

That’s why I have chosen to step down as leader of the Liberal Democrats.”

‘d have thought you’d argue the cautious approach would be not to force women who are victims of rape to “carry and raise the child”.

Instead you’re arguing that caution lies with favoring the child’s ‘right’ to life over the mothers right not to have an unwanted child. Are you Rees-Mogg in disguise

I’d argue that as well, but Mogg doesnt care about women having to bring up children born out of rape. So I’m not arguing from that angle.

Yes he did, he stated exactly why he resigned:

Good.

Marx and the French had the right idea.

I’d have thought you’d argue the cautious approach would be not to force women who are victims of rape to “carry and raise the child”.

Instead you’re arguing that caution lies with favoring the child’s ‘right’ to life over the mothers right not to have an unwanted child. Are you Rees-Mogg in disguise?

I’d argue that as well,

Yes, you probably would. 😀

Good.

I made no comment on whether it was good or bad. Merely that that was the reason.

the sit-down-pissers of STW would feel compelled to demonstrate how “right-on” they are by supporting his right to let his faith dictate his views.

Dont suppose you have any evidence for that? Also I wouldnt exactly call someone pushing those positions a moderate. Unless the alcohol laws was requiring everyone to drink.

apologies for my atrocious typing btw… I still dont get on with touchscreen phones. 😀

He shouldn’t have a view on it. Nothing to do with him. The guys a ****

I’d love to take him to the Philippines, my wifes country – to show him what his beloved religion has done to the country and what it’s family planning laws or lack of have done.

Someone posted this pic on Twitter, seems strangely appropriate for this discussion.

joefm – Member
He shouldn’t have a view on it. Nothing to do with him. The guys a ****

He’s a politician, it’s his job to have a view on things.

anyhow – I’m going to chill out now…. my wife/university sweethearts Visa renewal went through… i should be celebrating. Have a fun argument guys, Im flouncing for a bit.

His position is ridiculous! “I believe/do whatever the Pope says!” FFS

His position is ridiculous! “I believe/do whatever the Pope says!” FFS

Interesting, so you presumably support the repeal of the Roman Catholic Relief Act of 1829?

That is definitely the point they were making well spotted.