Israel's Netanyahu sparks uproar by suggesting WWII-era Palestinian leader inspi

But surely he wouldn’t be that cynical, would he?

why not? ive seen videos of IDF officers dressed up as Palestinians, egging on crowds to throw stones then pulling their guns out and threatening to shoot them. they then go on to catch a few and beat the shit out of them….their uniformed pals then come along and join in before dragging them off into their trucks.
if they can do this then they are capable of much worse….how do we know that all the crimes they claim are carried out against them by the Palestinians are genuine and not IDF soldiers dressed up as Palestinians?
doing so again gives them the justification to further dehumanise/oppress the Palestinians…

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/oct/21/netanyahu-under-fire-for-palestinian-grand-mufti-holocaust-claim

video of the OP.

binners – Member
Its almost as if he set out to provoke a reaction? Possibly a violent one? To then use as justification for the next military onslaught?

But surely he wouldn’t be that cynical, would he?

I’m of absolutely no doubt that he’s directly responsible for the recent escalation of violence.

i doubt cynical had anything to do with it.
although i reckon he’s on the green side of the argument.

That is unfair, everyone knows the actual indisputable facts can never refute what Mr 100% says.

That is unfair, everyone knows the actual indisputable facts can never refute what Mr 100% says

jambalaya – Member
Does anyone really think the Prime Minister of Israel would trivialise the holocaust, really even for just a second do you believe that ? Netanyahu’s right wing political opponents in Israel have generated this story, would you rather they where running the show ?

you’re right….how unfair of me(!)

i shall now go and stand outside and declare to the ISIS brigade that external b/b’s are more superior!

I’m of absolutely no doubt that he’s directly responsible for the recent escalation of violence.

But not solely responsible: the present intifada (if it is one) is just like the last one – the immediate trigger is shenanigans by the Israeli leadership but the underlying malaise is the total inability of the Palestinian political classes to maintain unity and get their act together.

there wont be any political unity within the Palestinians…not while they are given no political recognition by Israel, USA etc.
Israel will do what it can to undermine the Palestinian leadership as it always has done…its claims of wanting a political dialogue is a ruse and lip service at best.
the Israeli government knows which buttons to press to incite a response of some measure of violence…that way it can carry on with its illegal land grabbing, restrictions of movements, dehumanization and oppressive treatment of the Palestinians.
Israel wont stop until it has either driven out or wiped out every Palestinian from the lands

Yup he’s definitely trying to provoke further reaction, every ‘martyrs’ house the IDF bulldoze as punishment to their families, is another little bit of etnic cleansing achieved.
Of course that’s too slow for the Zionist zealots, nentinyahu etc want ‘justification’ to flatten every non Jewish home from the promised land

there wont be any political unity within the Palestinians…not while they are given no political recognition by Israel, USA etc

There will be no Palestinian state as long as the Palestinian political classes don’t have their act together. The intifadas are a popular grassroots reaction against the stultifying and corrupt layer of Palestinian bureaucracy as much as against the Israelis – they undermine the legitimacy of Hamas and Fatah to be the vanguard of the Palestinian state and the representatives of the Palestinian people.

I always wonder why is there so much attention put on that tiny piece of land that is fought by both Palestinian and the Israeli.

I mean that place is a desert full of sand so why not let them fight until their hearts content?

What’s with you lot “friends of this or that”? What friends? They are all strangers …

What with you lot in the west showing so much concern in such a tiny piece of land? If only you lot can leave them alone to let them sort out their differences themselves perhaps things will turn out differently …

Bear in mind, you lot can only escalate the problem there because you lot are not children of the god, they are. You are not! Get it?

Until such time as you lot accept their god both sides will see you lot as non-believer scums.

In the meantime, so long as you fulfill their needs with some use to them, both sides will welcome you to strengthen their position in order to force their own agendas/will on the other.

Ya, by intervening you lot will condemn one side to death whether you like it or not.

Ya, righteousness … my pork pie! 🙄

Might be worth reading up on the affidavits given to the Nuremberg trials by Dieter Wisliceny and Endre Steiner…

@gonzy I said in my posts Netanyahu hadn’t trivialised the Holocaust. Language on both sides has been ratcheting up.

Posters here need to understand Israel has prevented (as much as its able) Jews from praying at the site even though it’s a holy site to Jews and Christians and one which predates Islam by 1000’s of years. The rhetoric inciting violence from the Palestinian side has been constant these past few weeks/months.

Watch the Vicenews clips, we have demonstrators who do not believe in a two state solution but only in the destruction of Israel by violent Jihad (written in their constitution). We have the Imam (I assume) in dispatch 5 saying the problem is that the number of Jewish visitors has increased from 3-5 per day to as many as 30-50 on Jewish high holidays. So all these riots and deaths because a few times a year 50 Jews wish to visit their holy site whilst being prevented from praying by the Isreali government ?

Finally @gonzy I though this report from August was interesting, I’d imagine you’d think so too CrisisGroup.org

@chew, excuse my possible errors here my time at Sunday School was in the dim distant past – Jersuleam was for the longest time a very important city and home to the Jews for 1000’s of years before their first and then second temple (the home of their religion) which where both destroyed and the Jews banished. It’s been at the centre of Christianity (we sing the hymn Jersusalem at the rugby ate ladies at the WI for a good reason) and then more lattery important although not the centre to Islam. So everyone is fighting over the same bit of land and have been doing so for a very very long time.

Very simple …

Both sides want to annihilate each other yet both sides are held back because there are simply too many busy bodies intervening in their affairs …

Really, you lot are making them pussy foot around for so long it’s getting tired now to be honest.

Do you want to be on the evil side or on the god’s side? 😈

The rhetoric inciting violence from the Palestinian side has been constant these past few weeks/months.

Do you think this statement has

1) Ratcheted down the rhetoric
2) made it worse/cranked it up

FFS can you break the habit of a lifetime and actually discuss what an Israel has done without just talking about what some Palestinians have done? – really WHy TF do you do this. its childish and moronic.

We all know you will only discuss palestinian actions so when its about Israel why not do us all a favour and just shush and let others actually discuss the topic as we all know you will just go yes but the palestinians did this no matter what an Israeli has done

Don’t many Zionists deny Palestine ever existed…

So how can Palestinians have provoked the Holocaust?

Surely everyone knows it was Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles (among other prominent American figures linked to finance and intelligence) who gave the Nazis the funding they needed to instigate the 2nd World War…

Oh and the Vatican aided the escape of many Nazis[/url] via Ratlines

Funnily enough, both Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles were Vatican Knights of Malta… Like Tony Blair, George Bush (Jr+Snr), Bill Clinton, Rupert Murdoch etc etc

jambalaya – Member

@chew, excuse my possible errors here my time at Sunday School was in the dim distant past – Jersuleam was for the longest time a very important city and home to the Jews for 1000’s of years before their first and then second temple (the home of their religion) which where both destroyed and the Jews banished. It’s been at the centre of Christianity (we sing the hymn Jersusalem at the rugby ate ladies at the WI for a good reason) and then more lattery important although not the centre to Islam. So everyone is fighting over the same bit of land and have been doing so for a very very long time.

Everyone knows they built a mosque on top of the Jewish temple … even BBC historians agree to that. 😮

All of these are worth watching – reasonably balanced I’d say

ok if its JHJ , jamby and chewkw its time to leave thread to the loons

Isn’t James Murdoch (son of media mogul and Vatican Knight of Malta Rupert Murdoch) on the board of directors of Vice News and thus in a position to dictate editorial policy?

Junkyard – lazarus
ok if its JHJ , jamby and chewkw its time to leave thread to the loons

Well, I merely based it on the accounts of the historical experts for that region, where they actually proved that the Jewish temple were there first but later they were conquered or defeated by whatever whoever …

Do you realise that they(not the Jews) pray with their backside facing the temple outside the temple even when they can pray inside when it is empty? Ya, if it is theirs why pray with their arse facing the holy site? (go watch BBC documentary and argue with the historians … that will learn you)

Ya, you are wrong aren’t you … you know you are. 😀

ok if its JHJ , jamby and chewkw its time to leave thread to the loons

Damn and there was I hoping you’d have a chance to shine by providing a well rounded and reasoned argument how financial aid arranged by Prescott Bush and Allen Dulles had no impact on the rise of the Nazis prior to WWII.

Perhaps with your wit, intellect and knowledge you could at least refute claims of Vatican involvement in Nazi Ratlines?

Anyhow, back on topic, how come Nobel Peace Prize Winner Barack Obama keeps supplying billions of dollars of military aid to Israel, even when the US government goes into shutdown due to financial shortfalls?

For Jambers…A Jewish point of view.

All of these are worth watching – reasonably balanced I’d say

The one you linked to was just a load of Zionist nutters protected by Israeli army. I suppose that’s “balanced” in your world.

You should watch the BBC documentary from the historical perspectives. The historian is not siding anyone on the documentary but merely presenting the fact.

The fact is the Jews were there first but their temple(s) was burnt down and destroyed where a new temple(s) of the invader was built on top of it later on.

What the historian is trying to say is this … they are screwed! Screwed! The problem cannot be solved. 🙄

Previously I posted the link(s) to the documentary but I cannot find the link now … I think you can still find it on youbute or BBC archive …

chewkw – Member
You should watch the BBC documentary from the historical perspectives. The historian is not siding anyone on the documentary but merely presenting the fact.

The fact is the Jews were there first but their temple(s) was burnt down and destroyed where a new temple(s) of the invader was built on top of it later on.

What the historian is trying to say is this … they are screwed! Screwed! The problem cannot be solved.

Previously I posted the link(s) to the documentary but I cannot find the link now … I think you can still find it on youbute or BBC archive …

Chewkw, stop talking pish. The Palestinian/Israeli situation doesn’t go back 2000 years. It’s got its origins in the late 19th century and in European bigotry and colonialism, and not just from the nazi’s.

Away and read a book and stop talking shite.

So everyone is fighting over the same bit of land and have been doing so for a very very long time.

This is ahistoric cobblers. Things were relatively peaceful and coexistant for 500 years under the Ottomans. Things started turning ugly only after the Second Aliyah in the early 20th century – mostly Jews escaping genocide and oppression by Christian Europeans.

The “ancient hatreds” line is pushed by a) the ignorant and b) those who want to pretend it’s all too difficult to bothering thinking about and who want to obscure the real causes of (and therefore real solutions to) the conflict.

seosamh77 – Member
chekw, stop talking pish, the palestinian/israeli situation doens’t go back 2000 years. it’s got it’s origins in the late 19th century and in european bigotry and colonianism, not just from the nazi’s. Away and read a book and stop talking shite.

Not according to the historian.

I rather listen to the facts presented by proper historians to make up my mind …

konabunny – Member
This is ahistoric cobblers.

They Ottomans used them for their own gains (using them to suppress others or some sort of personal army/bodyguards … ) otherwise they would be disposable if I can recall …

Up until 1099 it was pretty peaceful too, in fact while all three religions co-existed under the Fatimid Caliphate the European Christian Crusaders where busy with their pogroms against the Jews in Germany and Eastern Europe as they marched to ‘liberate’ the holy land.

chewkw – Member
I rather listen to the facts presented by proper historians to make up my mind

It would be helpful if you didn’t try to conflate events around 1000 years apart and make them one and the same issue.

seosamh77 – Member
It would be helpful if you didn’t try to conflate events around 1000 years apart and make them one and the same issue.

No difference same issue just different time

They tolerated each other so long as the Jews were not in charge.

😯

chewkw – Member
No difference same issue just different time

They tolerated each other so long as the Jews were not in charge.

It’s little wonder people ignore you.

Under the Fatimid Caliphate Jews and Christians held positions in government.

seosamh77 – Member
No wonder people ignore you.

So what are you saying? Do you mean they were at peace with each others?

Another BBC documentary showed that they tolerated each others.

Tolerance does not necessary mean they are at peace with each others.

There is always the under current …

Lifer – Member
Under the Fatimid Caliphate Jews and Christians held positions in government.

Even during the Ottoman time they held positions …

chewkw – Member
seosamh77 – Member
No wonder people ignore you.
So what are you saying? Do you mean they were at peace with each others?

Another BBC documentary showed that they tolerated each others.I’m saying talk of ancient history is deliberately obscuring the discussion. It has no relevance.

seosamh77 – Member
I’m saying talk of ancient history is deliberately obscuring the discussion. It has no relevance.

See … that’s precisely the reason you are not god’s children.

It has everything to do with history dating back as far as we can recall.

The current situation is merely minor point scoring …

chewkw – Member
See … that’s precisely the reason you are not god’s children.

It has everything to do with history dating back as far as we can recall.

The current situation is merely minor point scoring …

I think i’ll just start ignoring you.

No relevance? What ever you witness now are just events in those regions so no big deal.

Of course both sides are going to argue genocide … what do you expect? Peace and love? They are going to slaughter each others to the hilt …