[Closed] iPad 5

hens will still lay eggs.

Will they need an app for that though?

cows still a milkin'

So its going to tick all the boxes for playing Farmville

Waiting to see if there are some new MBPs

Was going to post this earlier, but forgot...soooooo:

Apple event kicks off at 6pm.

Live stream: http://www.apple.com/apple-events/october-2013/ .....Safari only.

Live blogging from Ars Technica: http://live.arstechnica.com/apple-october-22-event/

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Apple Pages and Numbers Apps will now be free, as they are on the iPhone 5S. I think this is a step forward as it, should, take the iPad one step closer to laptop replacement.

Have you actually tried pages or numbers?

But does it have Flash?

(in before darcy)

ipad Air. *Wonders if anyone can afford one* $499 or I guess about £450.

Looks really good! Might finally upgrade my iPad 2 now!

I'm Queueing outside an Apple store already.

I was in the market for a Mini. Do I buy the cheaper old one, or the newer one? Hmmmm....

iPad mini new is only 16Gb now.

Just ordered an iPad 4 for my youngest's Xmas pressie. I just need to know if I'll die now they've announced this new one...

Ps got an Ipad 2 and if I hadn't have gotten a good deal on the 4 I'd have happier bought another 2.

the reduced weight should be a bonus, the previous versions were a bit weighty.

Davidrussell - I like the weight tbh, it is a factor if holding for lengthy periods but then most people have stands.

Have you actually tried pages or numbers?

All our paper sheet forms and other some other bits at work have been converted and put onto our ipads using Numbers all seem to work fine.

Davidrussell - I like the weight tbh, it is a factor if holding for lengthy periods but then most people have stands.

Or, y'know, [i]muscles[/i]. 😀

jam bo - Member

Have you actually tried pages or numbers?

No, I've not tried Pages or Numbers, what's wrong with them?

Unless they have dramatically changed them for this release they are pretty clunky and hard to use.

keynote is good though for writing and giving presentations on the go.

keynote remote is brilliant.

Although I like the idea of the 5 being lighter, I can't see a real-world problem for those having one of the heavier incarnations. Just use your lap, a table, part of the chair/sofa/bed or whatever else. Really not an issue.

I've not looked at press releases yet but, let me guess:

Looks exactly like the previous one, slightly lighter, better processor, some new trivial gimmick like NFC or faster wifi that'll be ported to the old devices in an iOS update anyway, maybe a shinier screen, queues of people round the block who hail it as revolutionary and have to have it Right Now. How am I doing?

I don't know, maybe it's just me. The original iDevices [i]were [/i]revolutionary, they changed the way we think about mobile computing. But since then we've seen evolution rather than revolution and I struggle to get excited about it. And the other streams aren't much better, occasionally something interesting might come along, these bendy displays look interesting for instance, but we seem to be stuck in a thought process of "I've finally paid for this phone after two years, time to throw it away and spend another two years paying for something slightly better instead."

I'm looking out for the day apple are as culturally unacceptable as MS. Where Steve is ridiculed as Bill is. It cant be long now?

The original iDevices were revolutionary, they changed the way we think about mobile computing. But since then we've seen evolution rather than revolution

Exactly.

IMO Apple gained such a head start over everyone due to their devices being super pretty AND super functional. But then they ran out of ideas and kind of stagnated whilst everyone around them began releasing OS' with better features, many of which Apple then copied.

IOS is nothing to be excited about these days, not are their devices. I love my iPad 4 and IMO it's the 'best' tablet available today. But my iPhone 4 is in need of an update so am looking at an Android and skinning it with IOS as I absolutely abhor Android's styling.

Cougar's right. I'm so bored of them bringing out better devices. Can't they design something uglier, slower and with less features? That's what we want (apparently).

Either that or every year without fail they should design and release some kind of device that completely changes the tech industry and how we think about/use computers. That's not too much to ask is it?

zilog6128 - Member
Cougar's right. I'm so bored of them bringing out better devices. Can't they design something uglier, slower and with less features? That's what we want (apparently).

Wasn't his point more to do with the fact that people were right to be excited about these products perhaps 5 years go when they were 'new and revolutionary?
But now it's an established technology with a lot of players producing some very good kit and everyone copies bits from other manufacturers so they are all much of a muchness. But, people still get themselves into a froth about the lates i-Whatever and fornicate over how ace it will be, when really it's just an iteration.

It does seem strange that companies produce all sorts of things and bring them out on a yearly product cycle but it only seems to be the phones and tablets that people have a real desire to replace so frequently, even though the 'old' one works almost as well but isn't quite the 'latest and greatest'....

We were in town last weekend and my OH nipped to the loo in John Lewis (no 'McShit with Lies' for us, no sireeee). While waiting for her, I was amazed at the crowd gathered around the stand of tablets. Most of them didn't seem to have any intention of buying them. They just seemed to be drawn to them, randomly swiping the screen for no real reason like some kind of tech-addiction.

Have you actually tried pages or numbers?

Yep, they seem fine for smallish stuff. Although for anything large I just use Word / Excel on a W7 machine as they are fully featured.

I've not looked at press releases yet but, let me guess:

How about finding out some facts. Then your post would look less like a reflex anti-Apple rant. Just sayin'

But, people still get themselves into a froth about the lates i-Whatever and fornicate over how ace it will be, when really it's just an iteration.

I have an iPhone, I have an iMac, who unless its revolutionary different who gives a toss about the new iMac.
Is there a big song and dance every time kindle updates the resolution and processor? Do Advent have people queuing for their new overpriced tab? I just don't get it with apple and iPads. Maybe someone here would care to explain.

How about finding out some facts. Then your post would look less like a reflex anti-Apple rant. Just sayin'

Don't think it did. Read more like an anti-everyone tinkering with "newness" for the sake of releasing something new. Look at mobile phones, for example. Nowadays it's all about better cameras, new colours. Nothing really "new". For example, touch screens were "new" and made a real difference. Bluetooth was new and made a real difference. Fingerprint access? Been done. NFC? Been done. "Better" screens? Been done. Bigger phones? Been done. Smaller phones? Been done. Etc. It's all just tinkering around the edges now.

What about someone coming up with a batter that lasts for weeks, not days? That would be really new. Sony have come up with waterproofing. That's pretty clever and new for me, even if only for making calls in the rain!

Otherwise, all the newness in the phone industry is pretty much on a par with 650b. Not really that "new" is it? Just tinkering.

Any time I look at iPhones/iPads, I baulk at paying what they're asking for them. Why would I pay £230 for an iPad mini, when I can get an Asus Memopad for £130?

The lack of choice bugs me too. One size, one shape, no choice.

Why would I pay £230 for an iPad mini, when I can get an Asus Memopad for £130?

The lack of choice bugs me too. One size, one shape, no choice.

I suppose people on this site who get excited about a new frame or new dropper, etc are also complete twunts seeing as they have a bike already, and bikes have been around for years anyway?

I never said anyone was a 'complete twunt'. I just don't understand the excitement & frothing over a new tablet/phone/whatever....
You don't see Nikon fans queuing round the block to get their hands on the latest DSLR.

This probably says it better than I can....

iolo - Member
I have an iPhone, I have an iMac, who unless its revolutionary different who gives a toss about the new iMac.
Is there a big song and dance every time kindle updates the resolution and processor? Do Advent have people queuing for their new overpriced tab? I just don't get it with apple and iPads. Maybe someone here would care to explain.

You wouldn't, if all you wanted to do was surf the net or check email.

Whereas an iPad mini would allow me to do what, that I couldn't with any Android Jelly Bean tablet?

Where Steve is ridiculed as Bill is.

As a Linux user for a decade I'm no MS fan but I suspect that Bill's contributions will stand the test of time better than Steve's.

Why would I pay £230 for an iPad mini, when I can get an Asus Memopad for £130?

Because you might prefer the Apple "ecosystem" (especially if you have other iDevices) or maybe you just want a better screen resolution, better cameras, longer battery life, bluetooth, fast CPU and graphics, etc?

You're comparing Apples with Lemons 😉

Whereas an iPad mini would allow me to do what, that I couldn't with any Android Jelly Bean tablet?

Because you might prefer the Apple "ecosystem" (especially if you have other iDevices) or maybe you just want a better screen resolution, better cameras, longer battery life, bluetooth, fast CPU and graphics, etc?

I don't have other iDevices, because I like choice and don't like overpaying for hardware. Until the Retina update, the Nexus2 had a better screen resolution than the iPad mini. The cameras on Android phones are getting better and better, and passing iPhone/Pad. Battery life is on a par with iDevices. I've never used bluetooth for anything, ever. Nexus devices are on a par with iPads in most benchmarks.

Very little in terms of general apps, although a lot will look nicer/work better on iPad as the apps will have been specifically designed for them which is generally not the case on Android. There are a lot of industry-specific apps though which simply don't exist for Android. And as for games - probably the largest app market - the iPad is literally years ahead.

There are no industry-specific apps I need that I can't get on Android and I don't play games.

It's personal preference they are all great devices but Apple comes with a premium. We're getting our kids a tablet for Xmas each we're thinking of Apple as they will work well with our other products but at a £160 saving each for a Nexus 7 it's very tempting.

I read somewhere on here that some schools demand the kids have iPads. Unbelievable.
Surely that can't be legal.

Why do people spend time arguing about not buying something they don't need?

I'm looking to buy an iPad in the near future, and will be watching ebay with interest, to see if there are any iPad 3/4 bargains. Not that interested in the 'latest thing'.

But one product Apple have recently developed which does seem revolutionary, yet isn't getting much attention, is the new Mac Pro. A completely new approach to computer design, and a real showcase for Apple's legendary innovation. Might be crap, but in terms of design thinking (Apple's biggest strength), it's completely different to anything else, as was the original iMac, the iPod, iPad etc.

God knows how you'd get new/replacement bits for the thing though!

I read somewhere on here that some schools demand the kids have iPads. [b]Unbelievable.[/b]
Surely that can't be legal.

I've highlighted the clue.

It's personal preference they are all great devices but Apple comes with a premium. We're getting our kids a tablet for Xmas each we're thinking of Apple as they will work well with our other products but at a £160 saving each for a Nexus 7 it's very tempting.

You could get them an Asus Memopad [i]each[/i] for £60 less than [i]one[/i] iPad Mini2 🙂

The Memopad is basically a slightly improved 1st gen Nexus7. SD card slot too, so cheap extra storage for films, music, etc.

You could get them an Asus Memopad each for £60 less than one iPad Mini2

Yup that's also very tempting.

@ Drac - have you considered the Tesco/Argos offerings? I'm thinking about that for Jnr, although he wants a robot.

The lack of choice bugs me too. One size, one shape, no choice.

For an indecisive person like me apples eco system that just "does" everything with little fettling and presents me with a single smart looking 7" choice for wifi-ing, an ipad mini is perfect.

Why do people spend time arguing about not buying something they don't need?

All we [i]need[/i] are food, water and shelter.

Why do people spend time asking why... 😉

Drac - Moderator
I read somewhere on here that some schools demand the kids have iPads. Unbelievable.
Surely that can't be legal.
I've highlighted the clue.

Jnr's primary school provide macbooks for the older kids to do homework on and restrixted ipads & ipods for other activities. We thought the sting in the tale was the annual "maintenance charge" they ask for. However, its £35. "shrugs"

miketually - Member
Why do people spend time arguing about not buying something they don't need?
All we need are [s]food[/s]Ocado, [s]Water[/s]Laithwaites and [s]shelter[/s] zoopla.

😉

The secondary our eldest is going to will be leasing iPads to their Y7 and 8 kids starting in September. They're optional though.

Is this homework computer related?
Or can a pen and paper be used?

Jnr's primary school provide macbooks for the older kids to do homework on and restrixted ipads & ipods for other activities. We thought the sting in the tale was the annual "maintenance charge" they ask for. However, its £35. "shrugs"

Seems good and a far step from demanding they have one.

I don't have other iDevices, because I like choice and don't like overpaying for hardware. Until the Retina update, the Nexus2 had a better screen resolution than the iPad mini. The cameras on Android phones are getting better and better, and passing iPhone/Pad. Battery life is on a par with iDevices. I've never used bluetooth for anything, ever. Nexus devices are on a par with iPads in most benchmarks.

OK, so you don't want an Apple device, so why are you posting repeatedly in this thread? You just want to make sure everyone knows how superior your choices are to theirs?

It's like mikewsmith - he's absolutely obsessed with Apple - yet has no interest in buying their products. 😕

OK, so you don't want an Apple device, so why are you posting repeatedly in this thread? You just want to make sure everyone knows how superior your choices are to theirs?

It's a [i]discussion[/i] forum.

The original post ends with

What does everyone else think?

I have answered the question in the OP.

I find brand loyalty a very odd thing. I really like my macbook air, but I have a galaxy note 3 as it suits what I need. I might get a new ipad, I may not. Depends what is best when I go shopping. people who froth either way, you do know what 'marketing' is?

It's a discussion forum.

Yeah of course you're free to talk about whatever you like. It just seems a bit sad that some people feel the need to justify their purchasing decisions by denigrating other peoples'.

Let's face it all of these products are unnecessary luxury items - so boasting about how 'my luxury item is possibly slightly better value than yours' just seems a bit lame.

I've never used bluetooth for anything, ever.

Isn't that because you don't have it? 🙂

I might get the kids an Asus Memopad each now as I'll have changed to get me iPad Air. 😆

@ Drac - have you considered the Tesco/Argos offerings? I'm thinking about that for Jnr, although he wants a robot.

Yeah but there is better Androids devices out there.

@Kryton57 just laughed at your post above about your son wanting a robot. Reassuring to see that some things don't change 🙂

I don't have other iDevices, because I like choice and don't like overpaying for hardware.

Yawn!

Take it you drive a Renault Twizy ? 😀

Until the Retina update, the Nexus2 had a better screen resolution than the iPad mini. The cameras on Android phones are getting better and better, and passing iPhone/Pad. Battery life is on a par with iDevices. I've never used bluetooth for anything, ever. Nexus devices are on a par with iPads in most benchmarks.

Wow, those are some fast moving goalposts right there!

So it's not valid for me to say the iPad Mini has a better screen than the Asus Memopad, because the Nexus2 used to be better than the Mini??

Or say that the Asus Memopad has a crap 1 mega pixel camera because some other Android devices have good cameras??

Or that some other Android devices have a good battery life, so that means the Memopad's 7 hours is "on a par" with the Mini's 10 hours?

Weird.

Following your logic the Renault Twizy is an amazing car because the Renault Formula One car is very fast. 😆

Take it you drive a Renault Twizy

I don't drive at all. The family car had done 103000 miles when we bought it, but it's a Toyota rather than a Renault.

So it's not valid for me to say the iPad Mini has a better screen than the Asus Memopad, because the Nexus2 used to be better than the Mini??

I was talking more generally about Android products.

I'd expect the iPad Mini 2 screen to be better than a £130 tablet, because is costs almost three times as much. In fact, I'd expect it to be almost three times better 🙂

There are no industry-specific apps I need that I can't get on Android and I don't play games.

Otherwise, all the newness in the phone industry is pretty much on a par with 650b. Not really that "new" is it? Just tinkering.

Yeah of course you're free to talk about whatever you like. It just seems a bit sad that some people feel the need to justify their purchasing decisions by denigrating other peoples'.

I'm not denigrating others' purchases, simply offering up alternatives and questioning the value.

Isn't that because you don't have it? (bluetooth)

I've had Bluetooth on every phone and laptop I've owned for as long as I can remember.

Well, don't buy one then?

I haven't. And won't.

At least now you know why they're better you can stop banging on about not wanting one.

I asked why I should get one, as people seem to use them for Candy Crush, Clash of Clans and Facebook, which are all accessible on other, cheaper devices. Given the fawning and clamoring over them, I'd assumed there was something I'd missed. Apparently, there wasn't.

Perhaps now you can stop banging on about me banging on?

I've had Bluetooth on every phone and laptop I've owned for as long as I can remember.

as people seem to use them for Candy Crush, Clash of Clans and Facebook, which are all accessible on other, cheaper devices. Given the fawning and clamoring over them, I'd assumed there was something I'd missed. Apparently, there wasn't.

This is actually a terrible analogy. It is literally the complete opposite. 650b is different but not quantifiably better. The new iPad is not much different but you can quantify - with numbers and everything - exactly how much better it is than the previous version before you decide whether to buy it or not.

You can quantify the benefits of 26/27.5/29 wheels: http://teamdicky.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/the-great-debate-of-our-times.html

If you want to control a Wahoo Kickr, for example, Apple is your only choice at the moment.

🙂

So if I said that people that own Android stuff can't afford the superior Apple products, and some of them seem to be quite bitter about it - that wouldn't be denigrating their purchasing decisions either? 😉

I asked why I should get one, as people seem to use them for Candy Crush, Clash of Clans and Facebook, which are all accessible on other, cheaper devices. Given the fawning and clamoring over them, I'd assumed there was something I'd missed. Apparently, there wasn't.

No-one is telling you to get one!

stevious - Member
@Kryton57 just laughed at your post above about your son wanting a robot. Reassuring to see that some things don't change

He's been very specific. It needs to be R2D2. AND a life size walking talking robot that can ride next to him on his bike.

Pressures on. 😕

I was talking more generally about Android products.

Ahh sorry, so when you said:

[i]"Why would I pay £230 for an iPad mini, when I can get an Asus Memopad for £130?"[/i]

(which is the question I answered) you [i]actually[/i] meant Android products in general? Fair enough.

In that case, why would I pay [url= http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/tablets/3366239/asus-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700-review/ ]£400 for an Asus Transformer Pad Infinity[/url], [url= http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/tablets/3428637/sony-xperia-tablet-z-revie ]£400 for the Sony Xperia Tablet Z[/url] or [url= http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/reviews/tablets/3405749/asus-padfone-2-review/ ]£600 for an Asus Padphone 2[/url], when I can get an iPad mini for £230?

Wow Android stuff is really overpriced eh? 😀

So if I said that people that own Android stuff can't afford the superior Apple products, and some of them seem to be quite bitter about it - that wouldn't be denigrating their purchasing decisions either?

You'd be denigrating the purchaser, rather than their decision.

You can quantify the benefits of 26/27.5/29 wheels:

You seem to be ignorant as regards the meaning of [i]quantify[/i]:

[b]"Bigger is better. When do you hit the point of diminishing returns? Who knows?"[/b]

[b]"The angle of attack is certainly one aspect that concerns me. Since I like to race rigid and love technical races the mostest... this downsize works against me. Enough to notice?"[/b]

[b]"I don't know much about that. I wasn't complaining about traction on my 26" bike. Dunno if that (disputable) three extra centimeters makes a difference. The 27.5 only gives up one centimeter to its big brother. Whatever."[/b]

It really does seem that a large part of the appeal of Android products for some people is that they're not made by Apple - and they can endlessly **** on about how everyone who buys Apple stuff is a mug etc.

I really don't get it. I don't go on about how a new BMW must be rubbish because I drive an 8 year old Berlingo. 😕

I'm sure lots of Android stuff is great - but I'm not interested in it so I don't go on and on about it. 😕

I predict a screen size somewhere in between the current Ipad and the mini.

It really does seem that a large part of the appeal of Android products for some people is that they're not made by Apple - and they can endlessly **** on about how everyone who buys Apple stuff is a mug etc.

Yep! Apple is a big evil corporation that just want your money while they are supporting the little guys, like Google, Sony and Samsung 😆

People who buy Apple must be clueless mugs who know nothing about computers.

Like me, a software engineer with 16 years on the job, specializing in embedded systems. I don't have a clue 😀

Are there any non-Apple tablets that are built as solidly as the iPad? My iPod touch has been going strong with daily use since 2009, the iPad 4 seems as well built, if not better than the touch. Would an Asus lilypad last 4+ years?

In that case, why would I pay £400 for an Asus Transformer Pad Infinity, £400 for the Sony Xperia Tablet Z or £600 for an Asus Padphone 2, when I can get an iPad mini for £230?

For each of those models, you could pretty easily say what you're paying extra for: bigger screen, keyboard, phone.

For each of those models, you could pretty easily say what you're paying extra for: bigger screen, keyboard, phone.

Yes you could. And yet when I did exactly that for the Asus Memopad versus the iPad Mini you dismissed it by pointing to those other models.