Hey guys for theose of you who know about my sub 20lb build iv been looking for

Hey guys for theose of you who know about my sub 20lb Dirtjump build, iv been looking for spokes.

Now I have looked at Ti and apprently these are just the worst type of spoke, non butted are too heavy, I looked at DT super comp tripple butted and DT Revo's Double but neither of them come in 24" wheel sizes.

So after much searching around i stumbled upon the sujestion of Aero spokes, more specifically Sapim CX RAY spokes…

Apprently designed for Downhilling and some 'firm' quotes on their site.

What are the deal with these (please dont just flame and post what you 'think')

If you are saying these are good or bad please BACK IT UP with eiteher experiance or a source

Any realworld experiance with these?

Here is a quote from the 'Sapim' website

Notice in the quote the section i have Bolded

Sapim CX Ray Aero Spokes
# No more extra hub filing; the hub manufacturer's guarantee is unaffected.
# Almost as light as Titanium.
# Stronger than all the spokes, currently on the market.
# Unbelievably high fatigue test results

Usage : RACE, TRIATHLON, MTB, DOWNHILL
Weight : 278g (64 x 260 mm)
Fatigue test / wheel revolutions : 3.500.000
Strength on middle section : 1600N/mm²
Packing quantities : 20, 500
Nipples : polyax alu 14 mm

Craig

As light as revolutions. High fatigue strength.

Can't back up the latter, do you need high strength?

I'll be using them for Dirt jumping and park so i need some good strength…in fairness them numbers mean nothing to me so i dont know how to read it(as good or bad)

Thanks

Craig

Have you seen the price of them? I'd not bother for a dirt jump bike…

But if you must, Nico used to run them for DH – he was quite smooth mind 😉

Do you save much over double butted DTs? Can't remember off the top of my head. Run double butted DTs for dh for years. Rim's more important than the spokes.

They build a really strong wheel -only downsides are the initial cost and the subsequent cost of rebuild if you do tacco your wheel while jumping.

I've got a road wheelset built with them and I'd have had my latest mountain wheelset done with them if my local wheel builder (Steve at iCycles in Innerleithen) could get hold of any. Ended up with std DB DT spokes, but may go back to have them rebuilt with the CX-Rays when he gets em in.

Steve reckons he'd build all wheels with them if he could convince folk to spend on them.

They save about 50g per wheel over DB.

Admittedly, this may not be that much if you're using Big Jumpy rims.

Hi.

As i mentioned i cannot get DT DB's as they dont do them in the sizes i need, hence looking at these.

Cost isnt an issue at all, id sooner spend the extra for a strong light spoke.

Rim will be some nice NS trailmasters (which alot of DJ's use)

So from reading it sounds like these would be ok?(taking cost out of the equasion)

Ill buy spare anyway just incase a do snap some.

Thanks

Craig

Steve reckons he'd build all wheels with them if he could convince folk to spend on them

shop owner in "trying to sell pricey stuff" shocker!!!

sapim cx-rays on the bike i built to race the mega on

cheapest i found was

eBay Sapim CX-Ray Spokes

Cheers guys.

I think I will go for these.

Craig

Okay,

Just another quick one,

How would these spokes perform with latteral forces?

I guess in theory bad but if i do spins would they be alright?

Thanks

Please tell me you are kidding?

Why would you want a super light weight dirt jump bike?
Just get one made from pig iron.

A troll I guess.

"Why would you want a super light weight dirt jump bike?"

My guess is it would be more manoeuvrable for tricks and whatnot. That and the novelty/showoff factor of a dirtjump bike as light as many peoples (low-)mid end road or CX bikes?

Okay rther than flaming my project can anyone answer the Q please.

Will they take latteral forces?

Thanks

No, they will be exactly as stiff as a wheel built with round spokes of the same weight ie Sapim Laser or DT Revolution, so not very. Any bad landing is just as likely to screw them up, it'll just cost you far more!

It's a really daft idea!