German Market . . . .

Merkel comes out of this with far more credit than Seehofer

How exactiy. A lot of her political allies are being very critical, never mind her enemies. She created the draw with her inviation and dropped the rest of the EU and her security forces into the mire for which they where unprepared and could not have been prepared.

This attack was predictable, I predicted it. I said the refugee/migrantcrises was mismanaged and terrorists wouod use it as a cover. IS have been publically calling for such attacks. As for the Nice comparison he was radicalised by IS very quickly. The Begians have woefully inadequate security rescources and are one of Europes lowest spenders on defence.

This attack was predictable, I predicted it. I said the refugee/migrantcrises was mismanaged and terrorists wouod use it as a cover. IS have been publically calling for such attacks. As for the Nice comparison he was radicalised by IS very quickly. The Begians have woefully inadequate security rescources and are one of Europes lowest spenders on defence.

I’m at a total loss as to how you’d stop such a strategy of terror and this sort of thing occurring again. Anyone?

the likely consequences of a co-ordinated Western military attack on China to force regime change

Whilst it’s undeniable that the West is the responsible for triggering most of the Arab Spring it’s facile to say every nation would respond to having it’s leadership ousted with a Civil war! France narrowly avoided a civil war when the Allie liberated it. In contrast Germany and Japan had homogenous poulations who had broadly the same aims and had no need whatseover to fight amogst each other for their way of doing things. The problem with (say) Iraq was that it was populated with three different tribes with totally different desires. If Iraq had been 100pc (say) Sunni there would have been a fairly peaceful transition to some kind of new government. If it had been 100pc Persian Shia it wold have simply become defacto part of Iran as a large chunck of Iraq effectively has.

I’ve only been to China once but I suspect China is more like (say) post war Germany and doesn’t have a Civil war waiting in the Wings that will kick off if something happened to the current establishment.

outofbreath – Member

Whilst it’s undeniable that the West is the responsible for triggering most of the Arab Spring

I would deny that completely.

While Western governments without doubt made the best of a bad thing, the “Arab Spring” was the last thing they wanted. They did however steer it to serve their best interests, and helped to crush it where it didn’t.

The West was not responsible for triggering “most of the Arab Spring”.

The Han form the majority of the Chinese ethnic mix by a large percentage, this majority is so big that if the rest did try to rise io they wouldn’t last long, as see by the recent issues with their muslim population.

I would deny that completely.

Well 22 minutes ago you were quite on board with the idea which is far from controversial!

the “Arab Spring” was the last thing they wanted.

That’s certainly true, they just didn’t think it through when they deposed Saddam.

The Han form the majority of the Chinese Ethnic mix by a large percentage, this majority is so big that if the rest did try to rise io they woildnt last long

Ta! That certainly supports my guess.

Well 22 minutes ago you were quite on board with the idea which is far from controversial!

Well I’ve just checked in case there was a vague possibility that I had lost my marbles, and no, said no such thing.

The “Arab Spring” had nothing to do with deposing Saddam btw.

The “Arab Spring” had nothing to do with deposing Saddam btw.

Deposing Saddam effectively *began* the Arab spring.

But you’re dodging the issue. You’re saying that if the Chinese establishment was deposed by the West there would be a meltdown of the kind we see in the Middle East.

I’m saying you’re wrong.

I’m saying you’re wrong.

Well, there’s only one way to find out. 😐

Well, there’s only one way to find out.

*applause* 😀

As for the Nice comparison he was radicalised by IS very quickly.

there’s little/scant evidence is was radicalised by outside agencies at all. The belief (certainly by the French authorities) is that he was “self radicalised”

I’m at a total loss as to how you’d stop such a strategy of terror and this sort of thing occurring again. Anyone?

The answer(s) are suprisingly simple but you might not like them.

Find a country that is not under terrorist threat and think about why not. Better still think back to before we were and what changed.

I’m at a total loss as to how you’d stop such a strategy of terror and this sort of thing occurring again. Anyone?

Tesla lorries.

Find a country that is not under terrorist threat and think about why not. Better still think back to before we were and what changed.

I doubt it because I’m sure the Islamaphobes there are people who’d say that Muslims, and in this case extremists, are proactively getting out there to convert the world to Islam. They are waging wars on us. They started it.

I’m saying you’re wrong.

Thanks, but I was aware of that.

If you want to say that what began with a Tunisian street vendor setting himself alight was all because Saddam Hussein had been deposed 7 years earlier then that’s up to you. Go for it.

Phobia means irrational fear, islamophobia is an oxymoron.

Phobia means irrational fear, islamophobia is an oxymoron.

You mean it’s rational to afraid of a peace loving religion, or have I missed something?

Some comments on Tunisia’s problems with radical Islamists. Tunisia is IS most successful recruiting ground and recruiters are paid big money

The dangers posed to the country by radicalization can be seen in the 2015 terror attacks on the Bardo Museum and a hotel in Sousse. Over 60, mostly foreign, tourists were killed. There was a further attack in November 2015, this time on the presidential guard, indicating that youth radicalization would appear to be on the increase.
Recruiters are paid between $3,000 and $10,000 (2,900-9,600 euros) for each new person they sign up, according to information gathered by the United Nations. According to the Tunisian government, actions are already underway to hinder the recruiting process, including targeting mosques where radical preachers are known to disseminate their views.
The Tunisian government has also taken repressive measures. More than 15,000 suspected extremists have been monitored since the beginning of the year, according to officials, with 700 added after the Sousse attack. Tunisians under the age of 35 are no longer able to travel freely to Libya, Turkey or Serbia, typical transit countries to Syria and Iraq.

http://www.dw.com/en/tunisias-radicalized-youth/a-36868952

I’m at a total loss as to how you’d stop such a strategy of terror and this sort of thing occurring again. Anyone?

1, stop promoting inciting and supplying weapons and wars into the Middle East
2. create safe and legal forms of entry into Europe
3. set public policy around understanding and acceptance of immigration.

what do I win?

captainsasquatch – Member

I’m saying you’re wrong.

Well, there’s only one way to find out. [/quote]
You already have with Tiananmen Square protests of 1989.

To all you thinkers which do you should come first political reform or economical reform.

Which one is EU and which one is Middle East?

Merkel getting an absolute pasting from a commentator on Sky, Professor Anthony Gees. She is responsible and must go. Attacks where flagged by US and others, no effective security in place at obvious targets, asylum seekers not really checked etc. Privacy laws in Germany are “excessive” and inadequate for today’s threats. German Interior Minister supposedly said Germany must “learn to live with terrorism”. Such a phrase wouod not be acceptable in the UK, people would demand security

Reposted with a minor terminology change for Earnie:

Whilst it’s undeniable that the West is the responsible for triggering the meltdown in the middle east it’s facile to say every nation would respond to having it’s leadership ousted with a Civil war. France narrowly avoided a civil war when the Allies liberated it. In contrast Germany and Japan had homogeneous populations who had broadly the same aims and had no need whatsoever to fight amongst each other for their way of doing things. The problem with (say) Iraq was that it was populated with three different tribes with totally different desires. If Iraq had been 100pc (say) Sunni there would have been a fairly peaceful transition to some kind of new government. If it had been 100pc Persian Shia it wold have simply become defacto part of Iran as a large chunk of Iraq effectively has.

I’ve only been to China once but I suspect China is more like (say) post war Germany and doesn’t have a Civil war waiting in the Wings that will kick off if something happened to the current establishment.

what do I win?

Bugger all……..you obviously haven’t got a clue.

Here is the vote-winning solution :

Domestic terrorism sorted. Next problem ?

1, stop promoting inciting and supplying weapons and wars into the Middle East
2. create safe and legal forms of entry into Europe
3. set public policy around understanding and acceptance of immigration.

what do I win?

1) Zero chance of stopping the Russians and Iranians, they will step into the vacuum we would create and “their” side would win
2) They exist already, you can apply for a visa of you have a legitinate reason to travel
3) We have that, we voted for immigration to be cut to the low 10’s thousands and to Leave the EU so we have full control of our borders

It may not be what you want but it’s what our democracy voted for.

German Interior Minister supposedly said Germany must “learn to live with terrorism”. Such a phrase wouod not be acceptable in the UK, people would demand security

Well yeah, but the UK doesn’t need more people, Germany does. I suspect that if the price of gaining 1 million new Germans fast is a couple of these attacks they might consider it a price worth paying.

Domestic terrorism sorted.

Well the US clearly has far less of a problem with domestic terrorism than does Europe. I wonder why that is ?

Reposted with a minor terminology change for Earnie:

Thanks, perhaps you should have aimed it at Tom_W since he thought China was relevant to this thread.

How do you know I’ve got big ears btw ?

Domestic terrorism sorted.

Well the US clearly has far less of a problem with domestic terrorism than does Europe. I wonder why that is ? [/quote]

Presumably it’s got nothing to do with your man Donald Trump.

Well the US clearly has far less of a problem with domestic terrorism than does Europe. I wonder why that is ?

Is it because you just made that up?

I very much agree with above post about real risks. If you really want to live longer and happier then adopting a Mediterranean diet will do you more good than avoiding places not protected with concrete blocks. When people post their weight and eating/drinking habits on this forum it’s clear what’s most likely to debilitate/kill them and it’s not a crazy in a truck or a bomb.

You live in one of the best policed parts of France, Jamba. Policing levels in Paris per 100 000 citizens are about five times levels outside the Périphérique. You also live in a very calm part of Paris. A long time ago (well 30 years) I had a girlfriend who lived in an HLM in Aulnay/bois, living there really meant sleeping there then taking the RER into Paris for everything else.

Well the US clearly has far less of a problem with domestic terrorism than does Europe. I wonder why that is ?

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Really?

yeah, Jamby just said so, weren’t you paying attention?

There’s been no more 9/11s since they started vetting all Saudis, that says a lot.

Although Donald Trump is taking no chances and is going to send them all back. They’re going, they’re gone.

I very much agree with above post about real risks. If you really want to live longer and happier then adopting a Mediterranean diet will do you more good than avoiding places not protected with concrete blocks. When people post their weight and eating/drinking habits on this forum it’s clear what’s most likely to debilitate/kill them and it’s not a crazy in a truck or a bomb.

Certainly true, but so what? If Germany want to put a bit of Police effort into investigating this crime and take a few steps to reduce similar crimes in the future then I don’t think we can criticize it on the basis that they’d save more lives by offering dietary advice to fat people.

Well the US clearly has far less of a problem with domestic terrorism than does Europe. I wonder why that is ?

Really?
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Really?

He’s just digging the stats out as we speak. 😆

1, stop promoting inciting and supplying weapons and wars into the Middle East
2. create safe and legal forms of entry into Europe
3. set public policy around understanding and acceptance of immigration.

Hard to argue with number 1, although I’m far from convinced it would all be sunshine and roses without the West. Not sure of the relevance of 2 and 3 as far as fuel for radicalisation goes?

Responsible does not equal guilty. I think the Germans are more capable of managing Germany than some biased ego-tripping tit with an agenda on Sky.

Berlin attacker placed on US No Fly list months ago. Not rocket science.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2016/12/22/u-s-placed-berlin-terror-suspect-on-no-fly-list-months-ago-report-says.html

Berlin attacker placed on US No Fly list months ago. Not rocket science.

Wasn’t Cat Stevens on that list?