German Market . . . .

Yeah, but as you well know, Correlation ? Causation

I thought it was pretty much accepted that he killed her due to her stance on Brexit and immigrants?

Yeah, but as you well know, Correlation ? Causation

Correlation can be an indication of cause though.

pretty much accepted

It seems to have been, but what has Mair actually said about his reasoning or motivations?

I have no doubt at all that he was absolutely motivated by what appears to have been a longstanding issue with race and racial integration (and from what I have seen there seems to have been a large grudge about the way the bedroom tax affected him too) but I’ve not seen anything actually linking it to the referendum, or to him campaigning or even having a strong voice on the outcome of, and that (we shouldn’t forget) his actions very nearly lost.

but I’ve not seen anything actually linking it to the referendum

Timing, if as you say he’d managed to be a non murderous nutter for 30 years before he killed.

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Timing, if as you say he’d managed to be a non murderous nutter for 30 years before he killed.

See above point about bedroom tax

As he killed her, he shouted out ‘Keep Britain Independent’.
Not ‘Keep Britain white’.

What he shouted on the day is still not entirely clear (witness accounts vary) however there is no doubt at all that he previously wrote:

“The nationalist movement in the U.K. also continues to fight on against the odds. … Despite everything I still have faith that the White Race will prevail, both in Britain and in South Africa, but I fear that it’s going to be a very long and very bloody struggle.”

before UKIP even existed… so it’s hard to blame them for radicalising him or somehow inspiring him with a message of hate and division.

plenty of people have crazy thoughts , they dont go out to murder people .

He was carrying a referendum leaflet when he murdered her

He shouted “Britain First, this is for Britain” and “Death to Traitors.”

The day after farage had used this poster stoking xenophobia and fear in his campaigb

Immediately after her murder you tried to say he wasn’t anything to do with the far right Ninfan, you are wrong in this one too

What he shouted on the day is still not entirely clear (witness accounts vary)

no they don’t, they have all said quite clearly that he said a number of things, “Britain First”, “Keep Britain Independent”and “This is for Britain” and so on.

He shouted “Britain First, this is for Britain” and “Death to Traitors.”

I see you have capitalised First. As above there is confusion as to what he said – I have seen the following “Put Britain first, this is for Britain. Death to Traitors”

Farage said we should have a points based immigration system like Australia. He didn’t say no immigrants. Ditto he said we should take refugees which had been thoroughky vetted and he also suggested taking just the Christians who he said where no longer safe. Controversial but not racist.

The poster above uses an image taken of refugees crossing illegally en route to Germany. Not too many women ? As the Americans would say “men of fighting age”

I’m sure he actually said “Brian First, this is for Brian”

I’m sure he actually said “Brian First, this is for Brian”

Maybe, but why “Death to trousers”?

I’m sensing some kind of Scottish Nationalism.

Interesting, Jambalaya, that you would expect your children, your wife and your parents to accompany you on a gruelling march into the unknown.

Interesting, Jambalaya, that you would expect your children, your wife and your parents to accompany you on a gruelling march into the unknown.

Interesting, RichPenny, that you would flee* from terror, oppression and violence but leave your children, wife and parents behind…

(*Refugee – r?fj??d?i; noun: a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster)

Neil Carmichael, the Conservative MP for Stroud, said: “It’s disappointing to see Ukip jumping on the refugee crisis to further their own political aims. Britain can only deal with the issue of immigration by working together with European countries that face the same challenges.”

A spokesperson for Getty Images confirmed that the picture had been licensed from them and was taken in Slovenia in 2015 by its staff photographer Jeff Mitchell. “It is always uncomfortable when an objective news photograph is used to deliver any political message or subjective agenda. However, the image in question has been licensed legitimately,” they said.

“Editorial integrity is of the utmost importance to Getty Images, and our photographers are passionate about documenting the global news agenda and covering issues from an objective and impartial standpoint. Our images are syndicated to almost 1 million customers around the world – whether that be to media, business and brands, or in this case, political parties.”
Unless you have moved Slovenia then I’m calling #Jambyfacts again

The poster above uses an image taken of refugees crossing illegally en route to Germany. Not too many women ? As the Americans would say “men of fighting age”

As the man from Getty said

“It is always uncomfortable when an objective news photograph is used to deliver any political message or subjective agenda.

A photo captures a moment in time, it can be used by anyone to prove their point but it does not prove anything.

The fact that the poster also misses the point that the UK has 100% control of it’s borders via passport control etc. and that it would not let refugees cross without due process. Like the EU thread you always want to confuse freedom of EU citizens with Refugees and miss the very simple fact that the UK has control of it’s borders.

Tunisian suspect being hunted by German police. So racist.

“German police are searching for a Tunisian over Monday’s Berlin Christmas market attack, media reports say.

According to a temporary-stay permit found under a seat in the cab of the lorry, the man, named as Anis A, was born in 1992 in the city of Tataouine.

A police operation is reported to be under way in the state of North Rhine-Westphalia where the permit was issued.

Investigators say the suspect may have been injured in a struggle with the driver of the truck.”

I can’t help but wonder if the perp might have left someone else’s identity card behind to throw the feds off the scent….

You people make me sick.

More French and Belgian citizens are responsible for European terrorism than any other group, you don’t see anyone suggesting we ban them.

Anyone suggesting we don’t help those millions in need on the strength of a couple of whack jobs needs to have a serious word with themselves.

An extremist mindset is one born from extreme situations of dissatisfaction and alienation. I’m sure ignoring the plight of so many and treating them with such contempt won’t add to that.

It is irrelevant what nationality whatever sicko that committed this act is. What is relevant is the circumstances and experiences which led them to make such extreme decisions.

Unfortunately for some of your tiny little minds it won’t be anything like as simple as being a migrant or a Muslim.

The world is a complex place, full of horrors, I think it’s probably best we try to face it with humility, generosity and kindness, as being a **** seems to have made it worse, not better.

Once again, people have died in a horrible act and the point scoring starts in earnest.

A. Conveniently ignored.
B. Utterly missed..

Thank you for proving my point!

outofbreath

I can’t help but wonder if the perp might have left someone else’s identity card behind to throw the feds off the scent….

Jihadists have been known to leave or carry their id so when they are martyred everyone knows exactly who was responsible. He may have just changed his mind about dying at the last minute.

fin25 – Member

You people make me sick.

More French and Belgian citizens are responsible for European terrorism than any other group, you don’t see anyone suggesting we ban them.

Lol.

Anyone suggesting we don’t help those millions in need on the strength of a couple of whack jobs needs to have a serious word with themselves.

But no one is suggesting that.

An extremist mindset is one born from extreme situations of dissatisfaction and alienation. I’m sure ignoring the plight of so many and treating them with such contempt won’t add to that.

Yeah, like middle class university educated second generation londoners. Must be tough.

Unfortunately for some of your tiny little minds ..

Please stop 😆

outofbreath – Member

According to a temporary-stay permit found under a seat in the cab of the lorry, the man, named as Anis A, was born in 1992 in the city of Tataouine

Bloody rebels

Yeah, like middle class university educated second generation londoners. Must be tough.

Where did I say that poverty or lack of education were causes of extremism?

fin dont feed the troll!

Interesting, RichPenny, that you would flee* from terror, oppression and violence but leave your children, wife and parents behind…

(*Refugee – r?fj??d?i; noun: a person who has been forced to leave their country in order to escape war, persecution, or natural disaster)

@nifan – Definition of a troll – someone who chooses to pick someone else up on a subject they clearly know little about and look foolish in the process… 😀

Ah, the cry of troll, second only to the flounce in the leftie armoury of responses when losing the argument.

Ps. I see that the new suspect in the German attack was registered as an asylum seeker. Oops.

ninfan – Member

Ps. I see that the new suspect in the German attack was registered as an asylum seeker. Oops.

Well I see the lesson about waiting til you’re sure it’s the right man has sunk in

Ah, the cry of troll, second only to the flounce in the leftie armoury of responses when losing the argument.

I’m getting confused on this thread. Didn’t some actual people literally die? 😥

Oh come on ninfan.. when have you even posted anything of substance on thread relating to Muslims?? Let alone coming anywhere close to making a point??
Winning an argument though!? 😆 comic genius

Well, there’s the times when I’ve pointed out that Muslim isn’t a race when people like you have been hopping up and down calling anyone and everyone racist 😉

I’m getting confused on this thread. Didn’t some actual people literally die?

What you are seeing here with the mentality of people like Ninfan is the lack of empathy, and a hatred of all that is different to them, which essentially makes them and the “extremists” both sides of the same coin.

Well, there’s the times when I’ve pointed out that Muslim isn’t a race when people like you have been hopping up and down calling anyone and everyone racist

Of course racism being a belief that one’s own race is superior to others, which will include their religious beliefs.
Not necessarily against a race.
It’s you, imagined, superiority that makes it racist.
Not shut up on the matter before you look foolish.

Ps. I see that the new suspect in the German attack was registered as an asylum seeker. Oops.

If you’re that desperate to win an argument that you’ll sink so low, then **** it, you’ve won.

How does it feel to have changed the world?

Oh, sorry, no one gives a shit about your smug opinions and nothing will change regardless of how many forum threads you pollute with your nonsense.

So yeah, enjoy your victory.

Hope it is everything you dreamed of.

people like Ninfan

Go on…

Of course racism being a belief that one’s own race is superior to others, which will include their religious beliefs.
Not necessarily against a race.
It’s you, imagined, superiority that makes it racist.
Not shut up on the matter before you look foolish.

Muslim isn’t a race, that’s not just my opinion, it’s what the law says

You can wish to redefine it to fit in with your high minded, self important, oh so conscious ideals all you like, but the law says it isn’t

Diddums

Ah, the cry of troll, second only to the flounce in the leftie armoury of responses when losing the argument.

@nifan..ever heard the phrase give the man enough rope? In your words above you flatter me and suggest you may be racist and confirm you’re just trolling too.

Calling me a leftie is flattery. Everyone knows the racists and xenophobes hide in the right wing parties, and by you using the words ‘leftie’ as an attack on me you are clearly labeling yourself as right wing.

Also, you chose to ignore the comment about you knowing nothing about refugees. You must be trolling then to criticise another person on a subject you know little about.

Good effort by you I say. 😀

people like Ninfan

Go on… [/quote]
Don’t get excited it’s a preposition not verb. 😛

I’m getting confused on this thread. Didn’t some actual people literally die?

+1
🙁

That’s irrelevant. It’s more important to win the thread!

Can we just close this one. And as a bonus can we ban Ninfan?

Ah, intolerance of those with different beliefs and an attempt to censor debate

Quelle surprise